The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

PiratesMansion

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I kind of like our Adventureland stretch. I like being nooked between the foliage and how close we are to the Jungle Cruise.

Definitely enjoy our dioramas. It’s just the least enjoyable stretch for me by sheer virtue of being indoors.

Well it doesn’t sound great but you’re still on a train at the Magic Kingdom so I guess it has that going for it and people seem to miss it. How long was DL’s train down for GE? Like two years right? Almost forgot about that. Their is definitely something off when the trains aren’t running at a castle park.

Thanks for sharing the video but I like to keep some surprises. I’ve actually avoided a good amount of ride throughs of WDW attractions and although I have a general sense of what the parks look like and their layout it’s kind of hazy.
I understand wanting to keep the surprise, and ordinarily I'd advocate for that exact approach, but there really aren't any surprises on the WDW train ride to spoil, and for me that's the problem, haha!

It sounds like we just value different things on train rides, and that's fine. If it were up to me, the Adventureland stretch would have something to look at too (and at WDW you're not even looking at trees shielding you from Jungle Cruise-you're looking at trees hiding a service road, and JC is on the other side of the service road), but it seems like all of the Disney parks have collectively decided that if there's one section of their train rides where it's fine to look at nothing, it's Adventureland, which I suppose fits the theme but just doesn't interest me. That being the case, you might enjoy the WDW RR more than I do just because it sounds like you might better enjoy the sense of removal and separation you feel from the rest of the park, which is typically more pronounced than on the DLRR. In which case, I'd also recommend their riverboat and TSI for similar reasons.

DLRR was down for about a year and a half, and they did actual enhancements and even let guests go and visit the trains/stations/etc during construction. WDW RR was down for four years and they...did nothing. Just speaks to the difference between the two resorts at the moment in a very sad way.
I can tell you that for sure MK has the better London scene. I still can’t believe how they massacred that scene at DL for the 60th redo. It’s not talked about enough.
I'm having a hard time finding a ride through from before the changes to see the difference, but I don't remember the London scene being notably different before 2015 (though I did find a Disney video talking about the 2015 changes and specifically mentioning a few changes to the London scene). What did they change for the worse?

I also prefer the WDW London scene with more dimensional buildings. I've always thought that the DL scene was much more limited and lackluster by comparison, but clearly WDI disagrees with me because Tokyo's PPF used to be identical to WDW's, but then had a refurb in the mid-10s and came back with a less dimensional London scene (among other changes) that brought the ride closer to DL's. So enthusiasm for lackluster London is currently in at Imagineering for reasons beyond me, and even Shanghai's version is like that now. Undoubtedly WDW's dimensional London would leave if the ride ever got the comprehensive refurb it desperately needs.

If you watch a ride-thru video of MK’s Pan, you can actually hear how dated it is.

As a kid, I was jealous of WDW because I kept hearing the same thing: it’s bigger, and therefore better. I still hear that, and it tends to be the main thing fans throw out. Size and number of resorts. I never realized it as a child, but size and number of resorts don’t speak to the actual theme park experiences. I started realizing this as I got older.

Now that I’ve actually been on WDW property, albeit for one or two-ish days at one park and Disney Springs, I found there’s likely nothing to be jealous of. I’ll have to see the other parks, of course, but I don’t think my mind will change.
There are things there to be jealous of, and things I miss every time I go to DLR (what I would give for Liberty Tree Tavern and the WDW Haunted Mansion to both be in California!), but unfortunately you were not able to see them due to time, circumstance, etc. There's plenty of flaws at WDW that aren't at all hard to see, and all are legitimate, but it really is about the sum of its parts and taking it in as a whole experience in a way that DLR isn't, whereas in California, Disneyland the park is an experience but the resort itself is much more tenuously held together IMO. At WDW it's the opposite.

Animal Kingdom and Kilimanjaro Safaris are fantastic. There's still a lot of old school WED weirdness in the older corners of the property, nice hotels that are worth exploring, lovely restaurants (and a lot of them) either in theme or cuisine that DLR has little equivalent for, the original Tower of Terror is still one of the best theme park attractions ever made, the water parks are lovely, World Showcase is a fun area just to explore, etc.

But it takes time and mindset. My first time back at WDW as an adult was a family trip with my grandparents and cousins. As one example, my grandparents and I split up parts of two days exploring World Showcase, doing each attraction, going through each shop, taking in the atmosphere and acts; by contrast, my cousins (also from California, haha) went around the whole lagoon and "saw World Showcase" in less than two hours. We 100% got more out of the experience than they did because we were open to WDW on its terms, and they simply were not. Naturally by the end of the trip my grandparents, who hadn't even wanted to go to WDW, ended up having more fun than my cousins, who just wanted to blitz through the highlights in three days so they could say they had "done" WDW (but also wanted to sleep in, etc). My conclusion from this experience, reinforced through at least a decade of trip reports on this site or that, etc. was that people can't sprint through WDW AND appreciate it properly at the same time. I'm sure on occasion it can happen, but experience and a lot of internet reading has shown it to be quite rare if it does.
 
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Californian Elitist

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I understand wanting to keep the surprise, and ordinarily I'd advocate for that exact approach, but there really aren't any surprises on the WDW train ride to spoil, and for me that's the problem, haha!

It sounds like we just value different things on train rides, and that's fine. If it were up to me, the Adventureland stretch would have something to look at too (and at WDW you're not even looking at trees shielding you from Jungle Cruise-you're looking at trees hiding a service road, and JC is on the other side of the service road), but it seems like all of the Disney parks have collectively decided that if there's one section of their train rides where it's fine to look at nothing, it's Adventureland, which I suppose fits the theme but just doesn't interest me. That being the case, you might enjoy the WDW RR more than I do just because it sounds like you might better enjoy the sense of removal and separation you feel from the rest of the park, which is typically more pronounced than on the DLRR. In which case, I'd also recommend their riverboat and TSI for similar reasons.

DLRR was down for about a year and a half, and they did actual enhancements and even let guests go and visit the trains/stations/etc during construction. WDW RR was down for four years and they...did nothing. Just speaks to the difference between the two resorts at the moment in a very sad way.

I'm having a hard time finding a ride through from before the changes to see the difference, but I don't remember the London scene being notably different before 2015 (though I did find a Disney video talking about the 2015 changes and specifically mentioning a few changes to the London scene). What did they change for the worse?

I also prefer the WDW London scene with more dimensional buildings. I've always thought that the DL scene was much more limited and lackluster by comparison, but clearly WDI disagrees with me because Tokyo's PPF used to be identical to WDW's, but then had a refurb in the mid-10s and came back with a less dimensional London scene (among other changes) that brought the ride closer to DL's. So enthusiasm for lackluster London is currently in at Imagineering for reasons beyond me, and even Shanghai's version is like that now. Undoubtedly WDW's dimensional London would leave if the ride ever got the comprehensive refurb it desperately needs.


There are things there to be jealous of, and things I miss every time I go to DLR (what I would give for Liberty Tree Tavern and the WDW Haunted Mansion to both be in California!), but unfortunately you were not able to see them due to time, circumstance, etc. There's plenty of flaws at WDW that aren't at all hard to see, and all are legitimate, but it really is about the sum of its parts and taking it in as a whole experience in a way that DLR isn't, whereas in California, Disneyland the park is an experience but the resort itself is much more tenuously held together IMO. At WDW it's the opposite.

Animal Kingdom and Kilimanjaro Safaris are fantastic. There's still a lot of old school WED weirdness in the older corners of the property, nice hotels that are worth exploring, lovely restaurants (and a lot of them) either in theme or cuisine that DLR has little equivalent for, the original Tower of Terror is still one of the best theme park attractions ever made, the water parks are lovely, World Showcase is a fun area just to explore, etc.

But it takes time and mindset. My first time back at WDW as an adult was a family trip with my grandparents and cousins. As one example, my grandparents and I split up parts of two days exploring World Showcase, doing each attraction, going through each shop, taking in the atmosphere and acts; by contrast, my cousins (also from California, haha) went around the whole lagoon and "saw World Showcase" in less than two hours. We 100% got more out of the experience than they did because we were open to WDW on its terms, and they simply were not. Naturally by the end of the trip my grandparents, who hadn't even wanted to go to WDW, ended up having more fun than my cousins, who just wanted to blitz through the highlights in three days so they could say they had "done" WDW (but also wanted to sleep in, etc). My conclusion from this experience, reinforced through at least a decade of trip reports on this site or that, etc. was that people can't sprint through WDW AND appreciate it properly at the same time. I'm sure on occasion it can happen, but experience and a lot of internet reading has shown it to be quite rare if it does.
Definitely, and this is why I don’t think I’ll fully able to appreciate WDW like its fans do because I’m not interested in taking my time to see everything, if that makes sense. I’ve said it before, but I’m not a theme park fanatic and I’m certainly not a resort fan. I’m a fan of really just one Disney theme park, particularly Disneyland. I just want the theme park experience. In terms of “nothing to be jealous of,” I was specifically referring to the size and number of resorts thing. I should have been more specific. Those really don’t matter to me at all, and I actually found WDW’s massive size to be overwhelming and even annoying. Going back to taking my time, if this was maybe 10-15 years ago, I would have been all over the idea of going to WDW for a week. Now, I would much rather do other things than spend that much time at a theme park resort and at theme parks in general (even going to Disneyland twice in a row is a bit too much for me). That’s just me, though. Again, I wouldn’t call myself a theme park fantastic and I guess I wouldn’t even call myself a Disney theme park fantastic. I love Disneyland for its own unique reasons, not because it’s a fun theme park to visit, and that’s it lol. I have told my friend, who’s a WDW regular, that I’m open to them taking me and showing me the place if/when I ever go again, but the most I’m allowing for that is four days. One day in each park, no water parks, and no resort stuff. I just bought flight tickets and lodging for Milan and Piacenza, Italy next May, and hope to get to France (not planning on seeing Disneyland Paris, so far) and back to Italy again next summer, as well as New York. Those trips are more exciting to me.

I think really the only flaw WDW has, and one that we share here, is lack of maintenance and care, though it seems to be a bigger problem there. Oh, and the attitude towards their fans, I’d count that as a flaw. I think WDW is a fantastic choice for folks who like to vacation the way it offers, as well as theme park fans, Disney fans, etc. Same for Disneyland and of course all the other Disney resorts around the world. I used to think that everyone should make it a point to visit every Disney theme park resort around the world, but now I don’t. People should just go where they want, where they enjoy most, and what suits them best. If it’s all the Disney theme parks in the world, great! If it’s just WDW, great! If it’s another one, fantastic. I had to actually visit WDW (for a very short time, I know) to actually see that it’s likely not for me, and that’s okay. Not for me in the traditional sense, I should add.
 

PiratesMansion

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Interesting find on Twitter this morning.

Some people who probably weren't sad that the WDW train was closed for four years? Big Thunder operators.

For those who have never been to Magic Kingdom, at that park Big Thunder is right next to the railroad, and that apparently presents complications when loading and unloading Big Thunder trains onto or off of the ride.

(There are four tweets in this thread; if it would have been better for all to be included at full size, let me know. Read all tweets for full context.)


 

Rich T

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Just picked up family members disembarking from a (fun and non-Disney) cruise. We spent the morning at Disney Springs before their flight home and had a great time. Ate at Chicken Guy for the first time. We all loved it. Best chicken tenders ever. Best fries ever. Sauces were great. Prices were reasonable…by WDW standards (so, a bit outrageous by real world standards). But the food was excellent and the staff were all top notch. The cutout of Guy happily holding a live chicken was unsettling. 😃
 

Centauri Space Station

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Definitely, and this is why I don’t think I’ll fully able to appreciate WDW like its fans do because I’m not interested in taking my time to see everything, if that makes sense. I’ve said it before, but I’m not a theme park fanatic and I’m certainly not a resort fan. I’m a fan of really just one Disney theme park, particularly Disneyland. I just want the theme park experience. In terms of “nothing to be jealous of,” I was specifically referring to the size and number of resorts thing. I should have been more specific. Those really don’t matter to me at all, and I actually found WDW’s massive size to be overwhelming and even annoying. Going back to taking my time, if this was maybe 10-15 years ago, I would have been all over the idea of going to WDW for a week. Now, I would much rather do other things than spend that much time at a theme park resort and at theme parks in general (even going to Disneyland twice in a row is a bit too much for me). That’s just me, though. Again, I wouldn’t call myself a theme park fantastic and I guess I wouldn’t even call myself a Disney theme park fantastic. I love Disneyland for its own unique reasons, not because it’s a fun theme park to visit, and that’s it lol. I have told my friend, who’s a WDW regular, that I’m open to them taking me and showing me the place if/when I ever go again, but the most I’m allowing for that is four days. One day in each park, no water parks, and no resort stuff. I just bought flight tickets and lodging for Milan and Piacenza, Italy next May, and hope to get to France (not planning on seeing Disneyland Paris, so far) and back to Italy again next summer, as well as New York. Those trips are more exciting to me.

I think really the only flaw WDW has, and one that we share here, is lack of maintenance and care, though it seems to be a bigger problem there. Oh, and the attitude towards their fans, I’d count that as a flaw. I think WDW is a fantastic choice for folks who like to vacation the way it offers, as well as theme park fans, Disney fans, etc. Same for Disneyland and of course all the other Disney resorts around the world. I used to think that everyone should make it a point to visit every Disney theme park resort around the world, but now I don’t. People should just go where they want, where they enjoy most, and what suits them best. If it’s all the Disney theme parks in the world, great! If it’s just WDW, great! If it’s another one, fantastic. I had to actually visit WDW (for a very short time, I know) to actually see that it’s likely not for me, and that’s okay. Not for me in the traditional sense, I should add.
I think you can visit in only four days and explore the resorts. They are what make wdw so special. Taking the monorail around them and going right into the contemporary concourse, the boats and all the mk resorts are like extensions of the lands. Seeing that you already did several attractions at mk you could probably devote an hour or so to looking at the resorts. The restaurants are also 1000x better than ones at mk. The epcot resorts, boat and skyliner is another experience that everyone should do. Probably a day when you do DHS because that can be seen in half a day, especially if you skip what you can do at DL.
 

Californian Elitist

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I think you can visit in only four days and explore the resorts. They are what make wdw so special. Taking the monorail around them and going right into the contemporary concourse, the boats and all the mk resorts are like extensions of the lands. Seeing that you already did several attractions at mk you could probably devote an hour or so to looking at the resorts. The restaurants are also 1000x better than ones at mk. The epcot resorts, boat and skyliner is another experience that everyone should do. Probably a day when you do DHS because that can be seen in half a day, especially if you skip what you can do at DL.
I’m really just not into resorts and hotels. I know WDW fans love the resorts, but they don’t interest me very much. And this isn’t just a WDW thing. Even when I travel on my own, I tend to stay at an Airbnb, and when I do book a hotel or resort, I don’t care to explore. I’m much more interested in what’s on the outside. I’d actually prefer to explore parts of Orlando after a half day at a park than spend the rest of the day at a resort on property. This is why I said the traditional WDW experience is likely not for me.

One thing I’d be willing to do is eat at a resort. That always sounds like a good idea lol.
 

Centauri Space Station

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I’m really just not into resorts and hotels. I know WDW fans love the resorts, but they don’t interest me very much. And this isn’t just a WDW thing. Even when I travel on my own, I tend to stay at an Airbnb, and when I do book a hotel or resort, I don’t care to explore. I’m much more interested in what’s on the outside. I’d actually prefer to explore parts of Orlando after a half day at a park than spend the rest of the day at a resort on property. This is why I said the traditional WDW experience is likely not for me.

One thing I’d be willing to do is eat at a resort. That always sounds like a good idea lol.
Haha I understand it’s just maximizing your day. I would recommend taking the resort monorail at the very least to just get to go by them on the way to MK and the boat from Epcot to DHS.
 

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