The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[DrAlice]

Watched Turning Red with the family. It's a cute coming-of-age movie, mixed in with mother/daughter family dynamics stuff. As a former 13 year old girl and a mom, I related to a lot of it.

As far as the argument that this movie targets a "narrow demographic", I'd have to disagree. Half the population is female (and those of us that aren't teens now, were teens at some point). That's not a small group of people. And frankly, you don't have to be female to relate to this movie. Puberty is a time of awkward change and figuring out who you are. Who can't relate to that? Also, the fact that the family in the movie are Chinese-Canadians didn't block this Slavic-American from relating.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Zach is a person chosen to do corporate pr on their personal accounts. No idea why though. He has no history or personality. Just a way for PR to have a "controlled" "celebrity" imagineer.

He’s the portfolio executive for Walt Disney World. He is to Walt Disney World what Joe Rohde was to Disney’s Animal Kingdom or Scott Trowbridge is to Star Wars.

 

[No Name]

I watched Turning Red today and I’d say it’s one of Pixar’s better movies (among tough competition). I think it can strongly resonate with anyone who’s grown up, though I do wonder how much it appeals to little kids… this is no Toy Story, Cars, Nemo, etc. Also, I had a suspicion it was directed by the same person who directed the greatest Pixar short, Bao, and it was. I’m glad we got more of that magic in a full-length film.

It’s kind of unusual… the same studio that started by making super franchise-able, merchandise-able movies is now making movies with humans characters that feel like they’re free of that corporate pressure. Pixar feels like more of an independent studio than it did when it was independent, and I think this has led to some really great stuff, although I do see the value in franchises too.

 

[smooch]

Just wanted to stop in and say I was watching a Twitch streamer I like go to Disneyland and she confirmed the two color light bulb in the Coke Corner, I thought I remember someone posting somewhat recently the bulb wasn't one of the special two color bulbs.

 

[CaptinEO]

He’s the portfolio executive for Walt Disney World. He is to Walt Disney World what Joe Rohde was to Disney’s Animal Kingdom or Scott Trowbridge is to Star Wars.

What are his major accomplishments? Why just now is he popping up with a public presence?

 

[CaptinEO]

It’s kind of unusual… the same studio that started by making super franchise-able, merchandise-able movies is now making movies with humans characters that feel like they’re free of that corporate pressure. Pixar feels like more of an independent studio than it did when it was independent, and I think this has led to some really great stuff, although I do see the value in franchises too.

I love this too, so done with the giant end of the world type films Pixar makes. Or the films made to sell toys and junk food. Love more relaxing, slice of life movies, like what Studio Ghibli makes.

 

[mickEblu]

I love this too, so done with the giant end of the world type films Pixar makes. Or the films made to sell toys and junk food. Love more relaxing, slice of life movies, like what Studio Ghibli makes.

End of the world? Other than
Wall-e and maybe the Incredibles I can’t think of anything else .

 

[mickEblu]

I’ve always favoured removing subs / autopia.

But I would love if the future replacement still had a water element.

About 4-5 years ago I would have agreed with you. Not anymore

 

[mickEblu]

Watched Turning Red with the family. It's a cute coming-of-age movie, mixed in with mother/daughter family dynamics stuff. As a former 13 year old girl and a mom, I related to a lot of it.

As far as the argument that this movie targets a "narrow demographic", I'd have to disagree. Half the population is female (and those of us that aren't teens now, were teens at some point). That's not a small group of people. And frankly, you don't have to be female to relate to this movie. Puberty is a time of awkward change and figuring out who you are. Who can't relate to that? Also, the fact that the family in the movie are Chinese-Canadians didn't block this Slavic-American from relating.

The movie has played at my house around 6 times. My 6 year old son really digs when things transform into other things.

This convo got carried away when someone started throwing around “sexist” and “racist” labels at people who said the movie couldn’t appeal to them. My opinion is this movie appeals to a more narrow demographic than any Pixar movie that has come before it. And that’s fine. Different stories can be told. It just is what it is. You mentioned women make up 50% of the population and can relate which insinuates that it’s alienating the other 50%- men. Just speaking in those terms proves my point. When have you ever walked away from a Pixar movie thinking about demographics? I never have.

Also I’m still waiting for someone to bring up a Pixar movie that appeals to a more narrow demo than Turning Red.

 

[waltography]

The movie has played at my house around 6 times. My 6 year old son really digs when things transform into other things.

This convo got carried away when someone started throwing around “sexist” and “racist” labels at people who said the movie couldn’t appeal to them. My opinion is this movie appeals to a more narrow demographic than any Pixar movie that has come before it. And that’s fine. Different stories can be told. It just is what it is. You mentioned women make up 50% of the population and can relate which insinuates that it’s alienating the other 50%- men. Just speaking in those terms proves my point. When have you ever walked away from a Pixar movie thinking about demographics? I never have.

Also I’m still waiting for someone to bring up a Pixar movie that appeals to a more narrow demo than Turning Red.

But why do you think it appeals to a more narrow demographic? It's like you're saying Finding Nemo can only appeal to marine biologists and Cars can only appeal to car enthusiasts. Also, I can't fathom the logical jump you made to conclude that because it's a story that women can relate to, it's therefore alienating men.

Nothing about Turning Red is inherently alienating or limiting to a specific demographic, and to generalize it as such is at best misguided.

 

[mickEblu]

But why do you think it appeals to a more narrow demographic? It's like you're saying Finding Nemo can only appeal to marine biologists and Cars can only appeal to car enthusiasts. Also, I can't fathom the logical jump you made to conclude that because it's a story that women can relate to, it's therefore alienating men.

Nothing about Turning Red is inherently alienating or limiting to a specific demographic, and to generalize it as such is at best misguided.

I’ve already explained why numerous times.

 

[mickEblu]

This all a beautiful microcosm of what’s goin on in this country right now. Everyone is more concerned with me saying Turning Red appeals to a more narrow demo than any other Pixar movie more than they are with the fact that “racist” and “sexist” labels are thrown out incredibly easy with zero proof. On top of that nobody can give me a better example 5 pages later. Lol

 

[CaptinEO]

The movie has played at my house around 6 times. My 6 year old son really digs when things transform into other things.

This convo got carried away when someone started throwing around “sexist” and “racist” labels at people who said the movie couldn’t appeal to them. My opinion is this movie appeals to a more narrow demographic than any Pixar movie that has come before it. And that’s fine. Different stories can be told. It just is what it is. You mentioned women make up 50% of the population and can relate which insinuates that it’s alienating the other 50%- men. Just speaking in those terms proves my point. When have you ever walked away from a Pixar movie thinking about demographics? I never have.

Also I’m still waiting for someone to bring up a Pixar movie that appeals to a more narrow demo than Turning Red.

I just don't understand what you mean, but am trying to. Do all films who star men have a 50% demographic that alienates 50% of the population?

I related to the film, I'm not a girl, I've never liked boy bands either. Not saying everyones going to relate to or like the film, but 50% target demo statement makes no sense to me.

The director herself even said its for anyone who's gone through or is going through puberty.

To say Disney only made the film for women is insane IMO.

 

[No Name]

Also I’m still waiting for someone to bring up a Pixar movie that appeals to a more narrow demo than Turning Red.

The Good Dinosaur. There’s not much there for people who aren’t little kids. On a more factual note, it’s Pixar’s worst-performing movie whereas Turning Red set viewership records on Disney+.

Personally I’d imagine Turning Red appeals to more people than most films do (and the numbers suggest it does), but The Good Dinosaur, definitely.

 

[DrAlice]

You mentioned women make up 50% of the population and can relate which insinuates that it’s alienating the other 50%- men. Just speaking in those terms proves my point. When have you ever walked away from a Pixar movie thinking about demographics? I never have.

No, I never think about target demographics. I just watch the movie. I was simply throwing my opinion into the previous discussion and expressing my disagreement with the notion that this movie had a "narrow target demographic".

Also, I never said/implied anything about alienating the other 50%. In fact, I actually said the opposite: "And frankly, you don't have to be female to relate to this movie."

 

[DrAlice]

I just don't understand what you mean, but am trying to. Do all films who star men have a 50% demographic that alienates 50% of the population?

I related to the film, I'm not a girl, I've never liked boy bands either. Not saying everyones going to relate to or like the film, but 50% target demo statement makes no sense to me.

The director herself even said its for anyone who's gone through or is going through puberty.

To say Disney only made the film for women is insane IMO.

He was responding to my reasoning for why I didn't think it has a "narrow target demographic". I was just trying to make the point that if this film was just made for girls, that would represent 50% of the population and, therefore, isn't a narrow demographic. He never said anything about it alienating men. He thought *I* was saying that. (I wasn't. And I also wasn't saying it was made just for girls. I was just trying to argue a point.)

 

[brb1006]

Am I imagining things, or is Stitch having a weird resurgence right now?

There’s randomly a new line of Happy Meal toys at McDonalds:
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Super7 has Stitch in their newest wave of Disney Ultimates! figures line:
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And for WDW’s 50th, Funko has a new POP! with Stitch in the People Mover, even though his Tomorrowland attraction is gone.
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2022 is the 20th Anniversary of the release of Lilo & Stitch

 

[DrAlice]

For the record, this whole convo didn't start with @mickEblu, it started because of some ridiculous review of the movie.

"CinemaBlend's managing director Sean O'Connell wrote that he couldn't connect with the film, calling it "limiting."

"By rooting 'Turning Red' very specifically in the Asian community of Toronto, the film legitimately feels like it was made for Domee Shi's friends and immediate family members. Which is fine — but also, a tad limiting in its scope," O'Connell wrote.

In a since-deleted tweet, he also called the movie "exhausting.""

'Turning Red' is a turning point for Asians in film. Why is it seen as unrelatable?

A review of "Turning Red" posted online this week sparked outcry for calling the film, which features a Chinese Canadian teenage girl, "limiting."

www.npr.org

There were also others that have said it is "inappropriate for kids" or "just for girls", therefore making it limiting. After actually watching the movie, I find all of this rather silly.

 

[brb1006]

The Kingdom Keepers was a pretty awful book series. What was the book where groups took over Disney World and you could be Lincoln via VR?

Hey the Figment Comics were great!

 

[CaptinEO]

He was responding to my reasoning for why I didn't think it has a "narrow target demographic". I was just trying to make the point that if this film was just made for girls, that would represent 50% of the population and, therefore, isn't a narrow demographic. He never said anything about it alienating men. He thought *I* was saying that. (I wasn't. And I also wasn't saying it was made just for girls. I was just trying to argue a point.)

Ah got it, my mistake. Thanks for the explanation.