The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

truecoat

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Yup. You know how they say every house needs a good foundation? Well DCAs foundation sucks. They abandoned the California thing but never really came up with a new direction. They dumped a whole bunch more money in which helped a lot but didn’t address the core issue. At least the money they spent from 2001 - 2016 was money well spent. Everything they ve spent money on since is such a waste of money. 100s of millions spent on bad rethemes and a grand total of one new ride. A bad one at that. It just comes off as a hodge podge of lands and ideas and even the lay person notices.

You call is Disney at the Movies or something like that and plop it down in Florida, you have the 2nd highest attendance.
 

smooch

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People who take the time to chat with people in service positions- the restaurant host, their server, the bartender, a hotel front desk, etc- will often find the service they receive is better than that of their peers.

At my hotel, we have a few regulars who know the entire staff by name. They take the time to chat with us, will order us dinner, etc. and they always get our best room we have available plus other extras to add polish to their stay. Contrast this with people who wield their loyalty status or feel the need to tell us they're a regular to get whatever ridiculous request they want when they've stayed at the hotel twice in a year- they get exactly what they paid for, nothing more and nothing less.

There are people my front desk remember who have only stayed at the hotel once, maybe twice because of how darn friendly they were during their stay- and when the person visits again the staff is often thrilled to see them and take special care of them. It takes work to stand out among thousands of check ins, or thousands of tables, but if you're able to it pays dividends.

And in the case of a service mishap, being pleasant and understanding will often cause you to receive far more in compensation than if you become disagreeable towards the staff.
When I worked at a sushi restaurant (on the mid-high end, not a little cheap place) there were some regulars me and my coworkers knew about who we definitely gave a little extra in terms of service because they were just nice and ate there enough that we could recognize them. I also had people who I never saw before try to flex their reward points and that they have whatever level card they have to try and get special treatment. Just in general even with people I'd never seen before as long as they are king to me and treat me like a human and have a nice conversation with me / I can tell they genuinely appreciate the service then I try a little extra to give them great service, checking in with them often and making sure they're taken care of. In contrast when I've had tables of guests who treated me awful being rude or demanding rather than asking for things then I don't try to take care of them as much, you get what you give. Even before I was old enough to work I knew to be kind to everyone I interact with in a service position (and just anywhere in general) but after working a few service jobs it definitely reinforced this behavior.
 

THE 1HAPPY HAUNT

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It is effectively the same attraction which uses the same ride system, ride vehicles, track layout, and ride elements right down to the bridge, snake, and boulder. The only difference is story which is not different enough to make it a different attraction.
I disagree. I say it does. Especially the fireball effect.
 

No Name

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Disney Irish

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I disagree. I say it does. Especially the fireball effect.
One or two effects being different doesn't make it a whole new unique attraction. It is still at its core the same attraction as the one in Disneyland. Hence why IJA is not exclusive to only Disneyland.

When mickEblu was putting together the list it was about Disneyland attractions that are ONLY at Disneyland and not used even in part at another Disney Park.
 

lazyboy97o

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Dude seriously? MickEblu was literally listing Disneyland exclusive rides, you thought it was exclusive, turns out it’s not. No shame in that but don’t dig yourself a hole!
He and his other account do this all the time. Decide some weird new definition and then start going on about how everyone else is wrong.

It’s good to know The Haunted Mansion is a Walt Disney World exclusive.
 

mickEblu

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Even though the Motorboat Cruise closed when I was 10 I have no recollection of riding them or even seeing them so I probably didn’t. Thought this was a neat picture to share.

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Homemade Imagineering

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Saw this on WorthPoint. Not sure this is actually from IASW, especially considering the fact I haven’t ever seen any photos with this particular figure in the attraction. This really puts into question the process of selling Disney memorabilia, and the importance of authenticity that goes into it. The post does claim they aren’t 100% sure it’s from the attraction, so I have serious doubts lol. I’d be curious to know where this prop actually originated from though.
 

TP2000

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People who take the time to chat with people in service positions- the restaurant host, their server, the bartender, a hotel front desk, etc- will often find the service they receive is better than that of their peers.

At my hotel, we have a few regulars who know the entire staff by name. They take the time to chat with us, will order us dinner, etc. and they always get our best room we have available plus other extras to add polish to their stay. Contrast this with people who wield their loyalty status or feel the need to tell us they're a regular to get whatever ridiculous request they want when they've stayed at the hotel twice in a year- they get exactly what they paid for, nothing more and nothing less.

There are people my front desk remember who have only stayed at the hotel once, maybe twice because of how darn friendly they were during their stay- and when the person visits again the staff is often thrilled to see them and take special care of them. It takes work to stand out among thousands of check ins, or thousands of tables, but if you're able to it pays dividends.

And in the case of a service mishap, being pleasant and understanding will often cause you to receive far more in compensation than if you become disagreeable towards the staff.

All of this is true. All of it. You kids out there who complain about "service!" should read it again.

I remember here almost two years ago, when some hipster young thing who shall remain nameless tried to tell me that because I was a white man I always received good service because everyone in America is racist, or something. 🤔

The funny thing is that just a few days earlier I had been at the Bed Bath & Beyond store in Irvine because the Internet told me they had the last set in OC of swanky foreign kitchen knives I wanted. So I went down there and found them in the locked case and tried to buy them. A manager was summoned to me because only she had the key. She was also white. I was dressed up for dinner with friends later that evening, and I am always well groomed and polite to staff. Right off the bat she couldn't have been more rude and ugly if she tried, and she sniffed at me that "These are expensive, so I'll take them up to customer service where you can purchase them there if you really want them". She literally wouldn't allow me to put them in my cart. She didn't trust me. If I had been a non-white person, I would have assumed it was because she was an evil white lady. And yet, I was a well-dressed white man who was receiving very bad service from another white in authority. SHOCK! :rolleyes: (P.S. It happens all the time to white folks. It's not called racism for us, it's just called bad customer service.)

The customer service desk was staffed by a young lady who was noticeably not white. She was a complete doll. I'm generally polite and chatty, so we got to talking, and she said her manager always takes things very seriously. We chuckled, and then after my expensive knives were delivered to her silently and snottily by the manageress, the young gal at the cash register said "Oooh, these are expensive! Lemme see... I'm going to give you an extra 20% off because you're fun." She bleep-blooped a bit on her screen, and the price dropped by 20%. I thanked her profusely, and off I went. She was a new friend.

If the snotty manageress had just put the knives in my cart like a normal person, I would have paid for them at the regular checkout lane and not been given a surprise 20% discount. I laughed about that all evening. 🤣

Always, always, always be kind to the front line staff at service desks, and front desks, and pickup windows, and any manner of front line points of contact. They are generally fine folks who sometimes have a tough job but are happy to chat or enjoy a laugh, and they can work wonders just by doing a little bleep-blooping on their screens for you.
 
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TP2000

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Depending on fit and materials a lot of dressed up clothes can be quite comfortable and can be purchased for reasonable prices.

No kidding!

If I'm going out for dinner at anyplace with at least a hostess stand (not In-N-Out obviously, and Red Robin is probably the cutoff for this criteria), I generally wear a sport coat at least. My slacks are tailored for my long Swedish legs and my guy at South Coast Plaza knows my neck/arm measurements for shirts by heart. My clothes fit well and are very comfortable to wear.

Meeting friends for lunch at 1pm isn't quite as strict, especially in SoCal. I'm simply talking about dinner out.

It takes so little effort to look good, even though most of us are not supermodels. I honestly think it's easier to dress appropriately than it is to wear sweatpants to Target, or wear t-shirts to a restaurant for dinner.
 

TP2000

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Even though the Motorboat Cruise closed when I was 10 I have no recollection of riding them or even seeing them so I probably didn’t. Thought this was a neat picture to share.

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I remember the Motorboat Cruise. It was one of those rides you always did because the line was short. And back in the ticket days, I think it was a lowly B Ticket that were hard to get rid of. Maybe it was a C? But for some reason I really do think it was a B Ticket. Those B Tickets were fillers. Marketing gimmicks about how many "rides" you could go on.

But the ride experience itself was... bland. You just sort of putted around on a little track past bushy riverbanks. There was no real scenery, no props or vignettes to look at. The experience was simply Autopia in a boat, you pushed the pedal and the boat moved forward within a guiderail, and the steering wheel basically did nothing. You looked at bushes and trees. If you were lucky the monorail would go overhead when you were out there.
 

TP2000

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Saw this on WorthPoint. Not sure this is actually from IASW, especially considering the fact I haven’t ever seen any photos with this particular figure in the attraction. This really puts into question the process of selling Disney memorabilia, and the importance of authenticity that goes into it. The post does claim they aren’t 100% sure it’s from the attraction, so I have serious doubts lol. I’d be curious to know where this prop actually originated from though.

That's most definitely not from Small World. I can't even think what Disneyland ride that would have been from.

But it's definitely not from Small World.
 

mickEblu

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I remember the Motorboat Cruise. It was one of those rides you always did because the line was short. And back in the ticket days, I think it was a lowly B Ticket that were hard to get rid of. Maybe it was a C? But for some reason I really do think it was a B Ticket. Those B Tickets were fillers. Marketing gimmicks about how many "rides" you could go on.

But the ride experience itself was... bland. You just sort of putted around on a little track past bushy riverbanks. There was no real scenery, no props or vignettes to look at. The experience was simply Autopia in a boat, you pushed the pedal and the boat moved forward within a guiderail, and the steering wheel basically did nothing. You looked at bushes and trees. If you were lucky the monorail would go overhead when you were out there.

Hahah that probably explains why my parents never took me on it. Oddly enough I do remember the Disney afternoon cut outs in the area in the early 90s. Anyway I thought it was a neat picture as I (and I’m sure many others) only memories of that dock are sitting on a table while eating a snack and feeding the ducks. Or just walking right past it. It’s cool to see the area being used as it was originally intended.
 
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TP2000

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Hahah that probably explains why my parents never took me on it. Oddly enough I do remember the Disney afternoon cut outs in the area in the early 90s. Anyway I thought it was a neat picture as I (and I’m sure many others) only memories of that dock are sitting on a table while eating a snack and feeding the ducks. Or just walking right past it. It’s cool to see the area being used as it was originally intended.

That whole section of Disneyland sits mostly unused today. And what little use it has (the monorail spaghetti loops, and Autopia freeways circa 1959) could easily be removed.

The Motorboat Cruise used to have some neat views from it at the midway point in the ride when the tracks neared the Sub lagoon, back when the PeopleMover and Monorail were running and could be seen easily by trees and vegetation that was younger and far better maintained.

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It's still a large area, but now it's completely overgrown and unrecognizeable. Ripe for development. But I hope it stays unused until Bob Chapek leaves. No one can trust that cheap idiot. No one.

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mickEblu

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That whole section of Disneyland sits mostly unused today. And what little use it has (the monorail spaghetti loops, and Autopia freeways circa 1959) could easily be removed.

The Motorboat Cruise used to have some neat views from it at the midway point in the ride when the tracks neared the Sub lagoon, back when the PeopleMover and Monorail were running and could be seen easily by trees and vegetation that was younger and far better maintained.

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It's still a large area, but now it's completely overgrown and unrecognizeable. Ripe for development. But I hope it stays unused until Bob Chapek leaves. No one can trust that cheap idiot. No one.

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That’s another great pic. So the waterway for Motorboats connected to the lagoon? I don’t think I ever really pictured that in my head. So where would that waterway be in todays Disneyland? Between the Matterhorn and Autopia? Was motorboat taking up some of modern day Autopia? Did they enlarge Autopia when they got rid of Motorboat? I know at some point they combined Fantasyland and TL Autopia. From what I remember you could always circumnavigate the Matterhorn right - even when Motorboats existed.

You know me, I’m partial to overgrown green areas. I understand however that it wasn’t intended to look like it does today. I still find that whole area to have a good amount of old school Disney charm even with the overgrown trees and rotting people mover tracks. There’s Just something about not having every square inch of the park taken up by stores, carts, cement, and buildings that makes it feel like… a park still. Big Thunder trail used to feel that way before Galaxies Edge. We lost that and the wall of trees/ bigger ROA and the Hungry Bear on the water. Most of these areas are a bit more polished and maybe even more picturesque now but they lost that some of that good ol “Park” feel.

I agree on Chapek. I wouldn’t want him to touch that area with all the budget in the world. And yet I’d still worry no matter who is in charge as we more or less know what would go in that area. Some version of Frozen Land to go with the Matterhorn. Sure it would be a better use of space and more relevant - just like Avengers Campus. Haha
 

TP2000

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That’s another great pic. So the waterway for Motorboats connected to the lagoon? I don’t think I ever really pictured that in my head.

No it didn't connect. The motorboat lagoon was at a higher level than the submarine lagoon. But as your little motorboat approached that 180 degree turn just under the PeopleMover tracks, you looked out over the low wall and as you approached it did appear that you were headed for a dropoff to the submarine lagoon.

I'm not sure if they did that on purpose, or it's just how it worked out. But that slight scare caused by the visual trick caused by that dropoff often fooled people. I remember being in a boat with a female relative who freaked out over that, sometime in the 1980's. And she was dead sober at the time.

So where would that waterway be in todays Disneyland? Between the Matterhorn and Autopia? Was motorboat taking up some of modern day Autopia? Did they enlarge Autopia when they got rid of Motorboat? I know at some point they combined Fantasyland and TL Autopia. From what I remember you could always circumnavigate the Matterhorn right - even when Motorboats existed.

Oh, geez. You're going to make me do work, aren't you? And on a weekend where we're supposed to be relaxing and celebrating Reverend King. Okay...

The original Motorboat Cruise area was mostly filled in when they reworked the Submarine Voyage in 2007. They drained the canals and put in paths and walkways over that area, presumably to ease access for the emergency exit zones attached to the submarine warehouse building below ground in that area. So much of the old Motorboat Cruise waterways simply haven't existed for the past 15 years.

Here's an aerial from about 1990, when the Motorboat Cruise was still in operation but the area landscaping had grown in quite a bit since 1959.

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And here's what's left of the Motorboat Cruise waterway in 2022. It's just that little pond that surrounds the old dock; the dock used as Marlboro Country in the 2000's and 2010's before in-park smoking was finally abolished. You can see that the old Motorboat Cruise waterways south towards the Submarine Lagoon have been turned into pathways that lead away from access doors to the Submarine Voyage ride building buried beneath the Autopia freeways.

The location of the low wall where the Motorboat Cruise boats made that 180 degree turn under the PeopleMover tracks and Autopia bridge is noted by the blue line in this edited photo. You also have to remember that the 2007 makeover of the Submarine Voyage extended out the rocky caverns quite a bit to the west, which would have shielded the view into the Sub lagoon had the Motorboat Cruise still been in operation.

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You know me, I’m partial to overgrown green areas.

Really? I'm partial to blue-eyed brunettes and a good glass of Scotch. But I'm glad you're here. ;)
 
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