The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

socalifornian

socalifornian

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Now that Mickey is confirmed for Toontown and the eastern gateway will be on the schedule again this year, we have a new footprint to speculate 😍
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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I don't really get the reticence about M&MRR. The premise is deeply rooted in the core, the very heart of native Disney IP Identity, the lack of which in most every other project is very often bemoaned.

Yes, they are using the current iteration of the Mickey short's art direction which some don't care for, but the frenetic pace of these is really much more suited to a wildly energetic "runaway" ride through a toon world than the relaxed quaintness of the classic cartoons.

To me, M&MRR potentially feels like a long-lost piece of the DL puzzle, pending of course, on results.
 
shortstop

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Practical Pig said:
I don't really get the reticence about M&MRR. The premise is deeply rooted in the core, the very heart of native Disney IP Identity, the lack of which in most every other project is very often bemoaned.

Yes, they are using the current iteration of the Mickey short's art direction which some don't care for, but the frenetic pace of these is really much more suited to a wildly energetic "runaway" ride through a toon world than the relaxed quaintness of the classic cartoons.

To me, M&MRR potentially feels like a long-lost piece of the DL puzzle, pending of course, on results.
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I agree, and I think the ride will be awesome, even if I’m not in love with the art style. However, they’ve kind of botched the delivery of the ride.

At the time, chopping GMR for Mickey was an egregious decision. Now that they’ve decided to clone it for DL, that decision has become entirely indefensible and is quite frankly embarrassing for WDW. What should be an exciting addition for DHS has instead become a net-zero change to the park’s lineup. That park needs capacity badly, and this decision to cut GMR shows a woeful lack of advanced planning.

By extension, its inclusion in DL seems like an awkward afterthought. While it’s a welcome and exciting addition to the park, it’s not as intriguing or dynamic as a Tomorrowland, Fantasyland, or Frontierland addition would have been. For the money they’re likely to spend on this, I would have preferred a unique attraction.
 
Practical Pig

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shortstop said:
I agree, and I think the ride will be awesome, even if I’m not in love with the art style. However, they’ve kind of botched the delivery of the ride.

At the time, chopping GMR for Mickey was an egregious decision. Now that they’ve decided to clone it for DL, that decision has become entirely indefensible and is quite frankly embarrassing for WDW. What should be an exciting addition for DHS has instead become a net-zero change to the park’s lineup. That park needs capacity badly, and this decision to cut GMR shows a woeful lack of advanced planning.

By extension, its inclusion in DL seems like an awkward afterthought. While it’s a welcome and exciting addition to the park, it’s not as intriguing or dynamic as a Tomorrowland, Fantasyland, or Frontierland addition would have been. For the money they’re likely to spend on this, I would have preferred a unique attraction.
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No question we'd all like a unique attraction, but economics of scale being what it is in Corporateland, and speaking from the practical part of this pig, the considerable development costs of this are going to be maximized across multiple parks. I won't be surprised to see this spread to Europe and Asia ... you know ... pending results.

I'm just glad that the original Disneyland is getting an E-Ticket based on the mouse that made it all happen.

Pending ;)
 
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TROR

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Practical Pig said:
I don't really get the reticence about M&MRR. The premise is deeply rooted in the core, the very heart of native Disney IP Identity, the lack of which in most every other project is very often bemoaned.

Yes, they are using the current iteration of the Mickey short's art direction which some don't care for, but the frenetic pace of these is really much more suited to a wildly energetic "runaway" ride through a toon world than the relaxed quaintness of the classic cartoons.

To me, M&MRR potentially feels like a long-lost piece of the DL puzzle, pending of course, on results.
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I’ll agree as soon as they get rid of the ugly, irreverent Mickey Mouse design.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Disney Irish said:
So while I maybe a huge fan of the Marvel and Star Wars stuff, I too can get tired of it. But since there isn't anything else to talk about right now I'll continue to endless talk about it until something else comes along.... ;):p
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That’s the thing, nothing else will come along, unfortunately, based on the current trend.

I’m looking for something on the level of Pirates and/or Mansion. A grand scale ride with a unique story and unique characters, obviously no attachment to an IP. Waiting for something like that to come soon is like waiting for snow in Los Angeles...useless and disappointing.
 
Mac Tonight

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raven24 said:
That’s the thing, nothing else will come along, unfortunately, based on the current trend.

I’m looking for something on the level of Pirates and/or Mansion. A grand scale ride with a unique story and unique characters, obviously no attachment to an IP. Waiting for something like that to come soon is like waiting for snow in Los Angeles...useless and disappointing.
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It always makes me wonder how much of the IP-everywhere mandate comes from Iger and gets filtered down through Chapek. I admit its wishful thinking, but with Iger out in a couple years, whose to say the next person might hold onto that a little looser?
 
shortstop

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Mac Tonight said:
It always makes me wonder how much of the IP-everywhere mandate comes from Iger and gets filtered down through Chapek. I admit its wishful thinking, but with Iger out in a couple years, whose to say the next person might hold onto that a little looser?
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I think it’s a combination. Iger certainly loves his IPs, so he makes Chapek (a consumer products background and certified IP lover) the head of P&R.

If/when Iger steps down, it’s possible the philosophy will change... unless he’s replaced by Chapek or someone similar.
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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shortstop said:
I think it’s a combination. Iger certainly loves his IPs, so he makes Chapek (a consumer products background and certified IP lover) the head of P&R.

If/when Iger steps down, it’s possible the philosophy will change... unless he’s replaced by Chapek or someone similar.
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I just got chills...

I mean, there's always the possibility that the guy who takes over for Iger would be WORSE in the IP-regard (overlaying everything NOT an IP already). But hopefully not. I just want there to be balance. For every 2 IP attractions, give us 1 non-IP. I mean, OK, that's truly "balanced" but it would be way more acceptable than 0 originality ever.
 
Rich T

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Mac Tonight said:
It always makes me wonder how much of the IP-everywhere mandate comes from Iger and gets filtered down through Chapek. I admit its wishful thinking, but with Iger out in a couple years, whose to say the next person might hold onto that a little looser?
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What are the odds that the next CEO will "get" what the parks are about? The only hope for things getting better is to find a creative person who genuinely loves what Disneyland stands for. I'm not optimistic, and I'm glad I've gotten to experience DL during its heydays.
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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Rich T said:
What are the odds that the next CEO will "get" what the parks are about? The only hope for things getting better is to find a creative person who genuinely loves what Disneyland stands for. I'm not optimistic, and I'm glad I've gotten to experience DL during its heydays.
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It's a funny thing. We as theme park junkies want a Classic parks-minded CEO.
Some of us want an original movie minded CEO to stop the onslaught of "live action remakes"
Others want a strictly business minded CEO that will do whatever is necessary to increase the stock value.

Does this all exist in one man? Hard to say. I think the best way forward is actually back to how it was
during the Eisner/Wells scenario. Disney as a corporation is too vast to be overseen by just one man.
They need another dynamic duo.

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At the end of the day, I just want a CEO that understands what Disney is and what makes it so special to so many people, is willing to take bold creative risks, and doesn't see acquiring outside companies as the only way to grow.
 
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Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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Phrubruh said:
Personally I'm boycotting seeing the Lion King. Why do I want to see a CG version of hand drawn movie? I'd rather see Detective Pikachu instead.
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The photo-realistic look is going to completely destroy the subtleties of the hand-drawn animations character emotions.

Here, hand-drawn animator Tom Bancroft says it much better.

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