The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

TROR

TROR

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Practical Pig said:
But you are not the target demographic for that. Though I can certainly see why the current art direction for the Mickey shorts isn't going to tick all the right nostalgia boxes for traditionalist fans.

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But I don't hate it. It's meant to appeal to a younger, up-and-coming audience (and you don't count) that are new (or will soon be) park ticket buyers. I'm old enough to have lived though a number of versions of Mickey's design as they premiered, some of them cringeworthy-cute, and this antithesis for a more cynical age is just another phase that will be overhauled again when its appeal to its target demo wanes. Just like all of its predecessors in this capitalistic business.

Meanwhile, the original Disneyland gets a native IP ride connected directly to its creator and its heart. That's a win.

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I was the young, up and coming audience when they started these new cartoons. They were garbage then, garbage now, and tomorrow they’ll still be garbage. I don’t care who they attend to appeal to, I care about what’s good and what’s not. This ain’t good, chief.

It’s a vile, unwelcoming, and off setting design that nobody would ever defend if it were never used again.
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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TROR said:
I was the young, up and coming audience when they started these new cartoons. They were garbage then, garbage now, and tomorrow they’ll still be garbage. I don’t care who they attend to appeal to, I care about what’s good and what’s not. This ain’t good, chief.

It’s a vile, unwelcoming, and off setting design that nobody would ever defend if it were never used again.
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Ridiculous hyperbolic twaddle. I understand that this your personal, subjective opinion, but you do not represent the general public no matter how hard you pretend. Disney must be satisfied with the the metrics or they would go in a different direction, as will eventually happen when the metrics indicate that it is time.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Practical Pig said:
Ridiculous hyperbolic twaddle. I understand that this your personal, subjective opinion, but you do not represent the general public no matter how hard you pretend. Disney must be satisfied with the the metrics or they would go in a different direction, as will eventually happen when the metrics indicate that it is time.
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Just my personal opinion here: The new Mickey designs--while sharp--are unappealing, gross and not at all in keeping with Disneyland's general look and feel. While a segment of the public seems to enjoy the new look, it's reasonable to assume they just wanted some funny Mickey cartoons and would have responded just as positively to a somewhat less gross art style. Just because Disney animation tossed a dart and it landed on "putrid" doesn't mean they couldn't have done better. Much better.
 
TROR

TROR

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Practical Pig said:
Ridiculous hyperbolic twaddle. I understand that this your personal, subjective opinion, but you do not represent the general public no matter how hard you pretend. Disney must be satisfied with the the metrics or they would go in a different direction, as will eventually happen when the metrics indicate that it is time.
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Yeah, my subjective opinion is I don’t like it. The objective truth is that it’s ugly. It’s designed to be ugly. That’s why it’s drawn the way it is. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. I don’t like that it’s ugly. But it is ugly.
 
socalifornian

socalifornian

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Practical Pig said:
Ridiculous hyperbolic twaddle. I understand that this your personal, subjective opinion, but you do not represent the general public no matter how hard you pretend. Disney must be satisfied with the the metrics or they would go in a different direction, as will eventually happen when the metrics indicate that it is time.
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TROR identifies as the general public and is offended
 
Nunu

Nunu

Wanderluster
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Rich T said:
It's just a phase. I'm sure someone at Disney discovered an old VHS of Ren and Stimpy and thought making Mickey an unappealing smart___ was a great idea.
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I might be showing my age, but I remember Ren and Stimpy, and you're right, that's what that new Mickey looks like. MTV Mickey.

What's next?!
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I'm too old for this! ;)
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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For the record, I'm not a fan of the current style, and I'm not defending the style on its own merits or lack thereof. The Ren and Stimpy association was what first came to my mind. But those cartoons don't affect my life unless I choose to bring them in, something I've only done a few times. What I do defend is my rejection of the notion that Disney is pushing a deliberately ugly style down the throats of their general audience. The metrics would have been studied to death before the first public release, and for whatever reason, their target audience must have responded positively, or we wouldn't be here now. And while the corporation is obviously going to promote its current product, I very much doubt they would be making this investment on both coasts if their metrics didn't support it.

And I adamantly reject the ludicrousness of claiming that a personal subjective opinion is somehow made objective by fiat.
 
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VJ

VJ

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can't wait for Disney to buy the rights to Dolan and have those representations of the characters be the new ones...
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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See, I don't think Disney really did get the public's opinion of the new character. I don't recall ever being asked if I liked this version of Mickey or not (cause I would have voted against it). It just appeared. I think this might be more of a scenario where corporate approved a new hip, outlandish, millennial/Gen-Z look for Mickey, presented it to the general public and said, "Alright, this is the new Mickey! Deal with it."
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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Mac Tonight said:
See, I don't think Disney really did get the public's opinion of the new character. I don't recall ever being asked if I liked this version of Mickey or not (cause I would have voted against it). It just appeared. I think this might be more of a scenario where corporate approved a new hip, outlandish, millennial/Gen-Z look for Mickey, presented it to the general public and said, "Alright, this is the new Mickey! Deal with it."
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I don't buy it. This ain't a mom and pop operation anymore. Mega-Corporate Disney test-markets everything.
 
Mac Tonight

Mac Tonight

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Practical Pig said:
I don't buy it. This ain't a mom and pop operation anymore. Mega-Corporate Disney test-markets everything.
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Then they test market it with the people who they know are going to give them the answer they want. I know very well established veteran Disney folks who can't stand the new look. Clearly their opinions don't count as much as the show's intended audiences.
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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Mac Tonight said:
Then they test market it with the people who they know are going to give them the answer they want. I know very well established veteran Disney folks who can't stand the new look. Clearly their opinions don't count as much as the show's intended audiences.
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An individual or an alliance within the company might do that to sway a project in their favor, but the corporation is going to want the most accurate info they can gather before throwing money at that project.
 
Nunu

Nunu

Wanderluster
Premium Member
Mac Tonight said:
See, I don't think Disney really did get the public's opinion of the new character. I don't recall ever being asked if I liked this version of Mickey or not (cause I would have voted against it). It just appeared. I think this might be more of a scenario where corporate approved a new hip, outlandish, millennial/Gen-Z look for Mickey, presented it to the general public and said, "Alright, this is the new Mickey! Deal with it."
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I agree. My guess is that Disney didn't test response from many over 40 years old. They are thinking about future consumers and apparently, they like this new concept. 😕
 

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