The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

At the Annie Awards this past Saturday, Coco pretty much did a clean sweep of all its categories...
And there was not one single mention of thanks to John L. Not one.

 

[JD2000]

It would take more re-skinning than paint. < See what I did there?

 

[JD2000]

I figured they were going for something like that...it's the only thing that makes sense. But there again, I think this is a problem of IP-based lands/attractions only. You don't have to maneuver these issues with original ideas.

Right, who is going to remember the Cars movies in a decade or so? And why can't Disney brand original IP rides themselves; inspiring the movies and whatever from them instead of the other way around.

 

[No Name]

Speaking of names that have no reason to change, they announced that Disney's Hollywood Studios name wont be changing. Among the best parks news I've heard in a while.

 

[Rich T]

Right, who is going to remember the Cars movies in a decade or so? And why can't Disney brand original IP rides themselves; inspiring the movies and whatever from them instead of the other way around.

The Cars films will be remembered just like any other big animated film, because Disney is going to continue to re-run them on cable and every other video service and another entire generation will grow up knowing the story of Lightning McQueen, Mater and Co. These films are insanely popular with kids, especially kids who love their toy cars. When I saw the first film as an adult, it instantly took me back to endless sunny afternoons of my childhood creating adventures for my Hot Wheels cars (like a lot of other little kids, I never, ever imagined there were drivers inside them). They're good films. Even #2 is fun if you can stomach nearly 2 hours of Mater.

And as for "original" park ride and land ideas... Talk to Bob Iger. He's the one who declared that Disney will never again invest money in non-IP park attractions.

 

[Disney Irish]

And as for "original" park ride and land ideas... Talk to Bob Iger. He's the one who declared that Disney will never again invest money in non-IP park attractions.

Don't say never, this is just the current cycle. We may not see it at the DLR, but there will be non-IP attractions created at some point for other parks. Its a swing of the pendulum, right now its IPs. I can actually imagine TL being redone with some non-IP attractions in the next decade.

 

[Rich T]

Don't say never, this is just the current cycle. We may not see it at the DLR, but there will be non-IP attractions created at some point for other parks. Its a swing of the pendulum, right now its IPs. I can actually imagine TL being redone with some non-IP attractions in the next decade.

I have no doubt that the Tokyo parks-- being able to do whatever they want-- will continue to enjoy new non-IP attractions.

I sincerely hope the IP-only mentality goes away, but I'm afraid it won't until they invest a ton of money into an IP at the exact wrong time and it ends up a flop. I think Star Wars is going to fan the Hooray For IP flames... I can't see this changing in the near future, and I really hope I'm wrong.

I agree Tomorrowland is the best shot, but I can't see Iger or his successor willing to risk their reputations and bonuses on something original. I predict Tron and more Pixar.

 

[Curious Constance]

I have no doubt that the Tokyo parks-- being able to do whatever they want-- will continue to enjoy new non-IP attractions.

I sincerely hope the IP-only mentality goes away, but I'm afraid it won't until they invest a ton of money into an IP at the exact wrong time and it ends up a flop. I think Star Wars is going to fan the Hooray For IP flames... I can't see this changing in the near future, and I really hope I'm wrong.

I agree Tomorrowland is the best shot, but I can't see Iger or his successor willing to risk their reputations and bonuses on something original. I predict Tron and more Pixar.

They're so desperate for IP, they'll throw IP failures in (Tron) rather than come up with something original.

 

[Disney Irish]

They're so desperate for IP, they'll throw IP failures in (Tron) rather than come up with something original.

Tron was not a failure, by all accounts it was a success.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I thought it was an obscure box office bomb. It was also one of the most boring movies I'd ever seen but it seemed like everyone suddenly started to pretend to love it when the sequel came out.

 

[Curious Constance]

Tron was not a failure, by all accounts it was a success.

I do not think success means what you think it means.

Tron had a critics score of 51% on Rotten Tomatoes.

It made $400,000,000 world wide at the box office. It had about a $360,000,000 combined budget for the making and marketing of the movie. So didn't make much money at all.

Audiences reacted very luke warmly to it also. And the franchise failed to generate any enthusiasm from the public for the series so they canceled Tron 3.

And this was something they thought would be a good idea to build a ride around? Okkkaaayyyy.

 

[Kram Sacul]

The original Tron is an iconic cult classic and Tron Legacy is just plain awesome when it comes to visuals and the Daft Punk score. A ride based on either one is a good one.

 

[Curious Constance]

To me putting a ride based an 8 year old movie that no one cared much about 8 years ago, is a great way to further date Tomorrowland.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Imagine my frustration with a gigantic theme park land based on a James Cameron blockbuster...only the wrong one!

 

[Macro]

Imagine my frustration with a gigantic theme park land based on a James Cameron blockbuster...only the wrong one!

Yea, it should have been based on Aliens. That would have been awesome.

Oh! Or Terminator! Both would be stellar.

 

[Rich T]

The original Tron is an iconic cult classic and Tron Legacy is just plain awesome when it comes to visuals and the Daft Punk score. A ride based on either one is a good one.

Both Tron movies are lousy films based on a great concept. The first had iconic, unique visuals, but both feature terrible acting, bad direction, awful dialogue and not a single memorable character between them. Seriously, why is Jeff Bridges a great actor in everything except the Tron films? I saw the original on opening day at Mann's Chinese theater. Waited in line. Audience reaction started off hopeful (it really is a good premise) but quickly soured as the dialogue and acting just went down the toilet. I was kinda shocked that the sequel made so many of the same mistakes. Maybe in 20 years someone will try again and *finally* make a great Tron film by actually focusing on creating memorable characters an audience can actually care about.

BUT... gotta give credit for the two things everyone loves and remembers: Lightcycles and recognizers. Since the Shanghai ride focuses wisely on those elements, I'm glad the coaster's headed for Florida.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I sincerely hope the IP-only mentality goes away, but I'm afraid it won't until they invest a ton of money into an IP at the exact wrong time and it ends up a flop.

That kinda happened with Pooh at Disneyland. Still didn't stop the tide of IP attractions though, primarily because park-goers keep coming in droves and spending their money. In Q1 Parks & Resorts revenues jumped 13%, and operating income in the segment rose 21%.

We all complain about IP based rides here online, but the continually rising traffic at the parks and billions of dollars flowing into Disney's coffers tells a completely different story. If you're bothered by what Disney is doing and have an Disneyland AP, or you're someone who visits on a regular basis, either stop going as often or stop complaining.

 

[TROR]

I have no doubt that the Tokyo parks-- being able to do whatever they want-- will continue to enjoy new non-IP attractions.

You doubt wrong. The Japanese audience shills for Disney IPs even more than American audiences.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Both Tron movies are lousy films based on a great concept. The first had iconic, unique visuals, but both feature terrible acting, bad direction, awful dialogue and not a single memorable character between them. Seriously, why is Jeff Bridges a great actor in everything except the Tron films? I saw the original on opening day at Mann's Chinese theater. Waited in line. Audience reaction started off hopeful (it really is a good premise) but quickly soured as the dialogue and acting just went down the toilet. I was kinda shocked that the sequel made so many of the same mistakes. Maybe in 20 years someone will try again and *finally* make a great Tron film by actually focusing on creating memorable characters an audience can actually care about.

BUT... gotta give credit for the two things everyone loves and remembers: Lightcycles and recognizers. Since the Shanghai ride focuses wisely on those elements, I'm glad the coaster's headed for Florida.

I disagree about the direction and acting but I can agree that both films have great concepts and were visually stunning for their time. Hopefully Tron 3 will get made at some point and will be worth the wait.

 

[Disney Irish]

I do not think success means what you think it means.

Tron had a critics score of 51% on Rotten Tomatoes.

It made $400,000,000 world wide at the box office. It had about a $360,000,000 combined budget for the making and marketing of the movie. So didn't make much money at all.

Audiences reacted very luke warmly to it also. And the franchise failed to generate any enthusiasm from the public for the series so they canceled Tron 3.

And this was something they thought would be a good idea to build a ride around? Okkkaaayyyy.

Rotten Tomatoes is not the end all be all for critic ratings. Also Tron 3 was not cancelled, it has been shelved for now. And it was shelved not because it didn't generate public enthusiasm, but rather that Disney is currently milking Marvel and Star Wars. And the reality is that a string of films that all failed (think John Carter, Lone Ranger, and TomorrowLand, not Tron 2) caused Disney to shelve plans for a lot of films. But it is still very much alive in that Jared Leto is currently attached to Tron 3 and its in the script writing phase. And once the Tron attraction opens at WDW I'm betting Tron 3 won't be too far behind. So look for it in 2022 or 2023.