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The Miscellaneous Thought Thread
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George Lucas on a Bench
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That would be the 80s Return to Oz movie.
BasiltheBatLord
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Pan is a weird story cause the morale is kind of a duality of "never grow up, but never be a child forever" sort of like in a limbo state. The resolution of the film (I've never read the original story so I'm guessing it's the same) is Wendy accepting her maturity. She literally says "I'm ready to be a grown up now" or something after her adventures in Never Land. Part of the reason she makes that choice is because she's been there and she's seen what it's like when people truly never accept the responsibility of adulthood. Peter Pan is a child forever, but that also makes him selfish and somewhat sociopathic with no real friends or connections to anybody (his friends are the Lost Boys, all of whom are idiots who blindly follow him, and Tinker Bell, who is literally a fairy made of pixie dust) But on the other hand, Hook and his crew (and the Darling's father, who is like a real world manifestation of Hook) are representations of what happens when adults forget what it's like to be children and are only concerned with the latter half of their lives. For example, Hook's traumatic obsession with the crocodile is an allegory for a middle-aged man obsessed with his death.He cuts off someone's hand and it's written off in the movie as a "childish prank".
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Well said
Kram Sacul
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Does it involve attaching pipes and satellite dishes to Chickapin Hill?
That would be Cinderella
Rich T
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Maybe satellite dishes... but hidden in tree stumps and only popping out for a few seconds on the quarter hour.
Rich T
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I think Captain Hook fits your theory, but I've always viewed the other pirates as examples of grown men who've never matured emotionally, accepted responsibility or cared for anyone but themselves. They live a life of perpetual childish fantasy with no thought to anything but their own immediate needs. And the Neverland Indians, while smarter than the pirates or Lost Boys, are stuck living their lives as a never-ending game.
Rich T
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He's like a wonderful, friendly tour guide desperately trying to ignore the darker side of his world. The Disney film only deals with this for about one second (when he snaps the arrow in half), but the play (and the book, which is basically the play) really deal with the sadness of a person who's doomed to always be a child, never able to move on and find the deeper meanings and relationships in life. But he's got the attention span of a little kid, so he never dwells on his situation for long.
"Hook" is a flawed movie, but it was at its best when focusing on that part of the character's past.
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Rich T
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That would be Pinocchio (or Zootopia
). Pan's definitely one of my favorites, though. And, along with Cinderella, it's probably the most solid, crowd-pleasing, good-from-start-to-finish film Disney ever produced. My personal favorite is also from that post-WWII era: Alice in Wonderland, even though it's dramatically the weakest of all the Disney films... next to Black Cauldron.
Rich T
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What???? Brer Rabbit leaves his Briar Patch in Search of Adventure. Fox and Bear try to catch him, and finally succeed in the Laughing Place. His family and friends mourn his foolishness. On to the climax. It's all there, it's just told as terribly as Phantom Menace.
Rich T
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And I can't blame you for that, because DL's Splash does such a terrible job of conveying the tale it was supposed to tell. (WDW and Tokyo fixed that). It's to the DL ride's great credit that it's so much fun despite that.
Rich T
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Yes, it's "fine"... When it's in better shape.
Californian Elitist
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The Lion King is Disney’s best movie.
Not sure what you folks are talking about.
Not sure what you folks are talking about.
Mac Tonight
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The best Disney animated movie is The Great Mouse Detective.
Rich T
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Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast are fantastic. Aladdin's pretty good. Lion King's excellent. I'd say most of the films in that period are far, far better (as films) than anything between Jungle Book and Black Cauldron.
Rich T
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At the time it came out, it was mind-blowing simply because it was actually good. I (and a lot of other animation fans) sat there in the theater thinking, "Holy Moses, someone at Disney actually knows how to tell a story again!"