The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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Rich T said:
I agree with everything. But I still think there's a worst-case Perfect Storm of elements that could make the retheme happen combining all these elements coming together:
  1. Aging AA's in dire need of replacement
  2. The GP becoming suddenly aware and PC-angry over a Disney ride based on a controversial film ("Think of the children!")
  3. A hot new IP that could be reasonably overlaid onto a log flume ride.
  4. Some favored exec making a career move by pointing out to the CEO that the hot new IP will sell a lot more plush than Brer Rabbit.
I'm not saying I actually want this to happen. I'm just saying I believe it will probably happen at one point, and then all the whipper-snapper Star Wars fans on this forum will finally know how I feel about losing a chunk of my precious river!!!! :D
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Anyone in the public who cares is already aware of Splash Mountain's roots. Heck, Disney mentions Song of the South directly on the ride, and on the Disneyland website. Every Disneyland "trivia" article ever written mentions Song of the South as Splash Mountain's inspiration.

The reason there hasn't been a public uproar over the last 30 years? There's nothing offensive in the ride to warrant it.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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Rich T said:
Yes, but Splash Mtn. DOES have a story with a start, middle and end. But I agree it's fun and it works in spite of most riders not paying much attention to the story. I also agree there's enough going on to make it entertaining and atmospheric anyway.
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Story in the most basic sense of the word yes. I look at it as more of an emotional arc. And that it does undoubtedly better than WDW. The transition from dark to light. From burrows lament to zipidee doo dah
 
Rich T

Rich T

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SuddenStorm said:
Anyone in the public who cares is already aware of Splash Mountain's roots. Heck, Disney mentions Song of the South directly on the ride, and on the Disneyland website. Every Disneyland "trivia" article ever written mentions Song of the South as Splash Mountain's inspiration.

The reason there hasn't been a public uproar over the last 30 years? There's nothing offensive in the ride to warrant it.
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I’ve seen social media cause sillier things to happen. But in the long run it will be potential merchandise sales increases that will bring about a switch. And if they decide SW could easily expand into Critter Country, get ready for Ewok Mountain.
 
BasiltheBatLord

BasiltheBatLord

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Rich T said:
is there a deeper reason Splash's AA maintenance is so bad?
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I had always heard that it was because of updated OSHA standards. Many of the AA's were/are supposedly inaccessible to maintenance due to fall protection standards. That was years ago though, you'd think that would have been addressed by now. I figure there must be a deeper issue.

And yes, it would be very painful to lose Splash, although I guess just losing the DL version wouldn't be terrible since it's by far the worst version of that ride, but it would be like GotG where everyone would be on-edge forever about the remaining attractions being re-themed at some point in the future also.
 
mickEblu

mickEblu

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BasiltheBatLord said:
I had always heard that it was because of updated OSHA standards. Many of the AA's were/are supposedly inaccessible to maintenance due to fall protection standards. That was years ago though, you'd think that would have been addressed by now. I figure there must be a deeper issue.

And yes, it would be very painful to lose Splash, although I guess just losing the DL version wouldn't be terrible since it's by far the worst version of that ride, but it would be like GotG where everyone would be on-edge forever about the remaining attractions being re-themed at some point in the future also.
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I thought they addressed the OSHA issues like 3 years ago. Could be wrong though.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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Rich T said:
Let's not do that. Please.
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That is why I think SM is safe. It's too separated from the obscure movie in the GP eyes. I bet 99.9999% of people riding SM have never ever heard of SotS much less seen it. Personally I thought it was a pretty boring movie and didn't have the charm of other Disney live action movies of the time. The animated sequences are the only reason to see it.

Come to think about it, Dumbo's crows and most of the clowns were pretty racist too. Shall we get rid of Casey Jr and the Dumbo ride? You just have to look at it with a sense of the time period it was created in.
 
Rich T

Rich T

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Phrubruh said:
That is why I think SM is safe. It's too separated from the obscure movie in the GP eyes. I bet 99.9999% of people riding SM have never ever heard of SotS much less seen it. Personally I thought it was a pretty boring movie and didn't have the charm of other Disney live action movies of the time. The animated sequences are the only reason to see it.

Come to think about it, Dumbo's crows and most of the clowns were pretty racist too. Shall we get rid of Casey Jr and the Dumbo ride? You just have to look at it with a sense of the time period it was created in.
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I never said the GP was smart or reasonable when it comes to the things they turn mob on. :D I agree SotS is, except for the all-too-brief animated sequences, a very dull, slow movie. Not worth the controversy of releasing it on video; I don't blame Iger for making that decision.
Dumbo's crows: Considering they all have unique personalities, are the smartest characters in the film, and are the story's unsung heroes.. I think I've definitely seen more offensive minority characters on present-day television. And I've never found the clowns racist; they seem like a diverse group of working-class show people.

The difference between SotS and Dumbo is that Dumbo (Note: The original Dumbo) is actually a good film.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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Phrubruh said:
That is why I think SM is safe. It's too separated from the obscure movie in the GP eyes. I bet 99.9999% of people riding SM have never ever heard of SotS much less seen it. Personally I thought it was a pretty boring movie and didn't have the charm of other Disney live action movies of the time. The animated sequences are the only reason to see it.

Come to think about it, Dumbo's crows and most of the clowns were pretty racist too. Shall we get rid of Casey Jr and the Dumbo ride? You just have to look at it with a sense of the time period it was created in.
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And that's without getting into Peter Pan...
 
BasiltheBatLord

BasiltheBatLord

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Funny, I actually just watched both Dumbo and Peter Pan in full for the first time this week...

Considering how much I had heard about the crows my whole life I was expecting a lot worse, but it really wasn't that bad. It was just sort of your classic black stereotype for the era. And yeah, they weren't portrayed in any negative light and they're actually the characters who "save" the main character (Dumbo) in the end. Obviously that doesn't make the portrayal right or a good idea, but it's hard to truly label a portrayal like that "offensive".

The Indians in Pan are touchier, but again you just have to view these things through the lens of the era. What did young Californians living in the '40's and '50's know about Native Americans? Personally I found it weirder how Peter Pan is basically a sociopathic dick who is simultaneously the sexual fancy of every single woman character in the film.

I really hope Disney doesn't chicken out with the Disney+ stuff. I hope they follow WB's lead and use brief disclaimer cards for the more racy stuff. But I'm pretty sure they won't.
 

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