The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

SuddenStorm

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I’ll give you that Tokyo and WDW tell more of a linear story. I’m just not sold on the fact that that’s what they were trying to give us at DL. And if it was and they failed then it was a happy accident... for me at least. I like how the one at DL is like a fantasyland dark ride on roids. I like how it feels that you are actually inside a mountain - a setting which comes off more mysterious and otherworldly then the bright sunshiney days seen in the other versions. Also love the pace of DLs. I’ll let the boat rides be slow and meandering and let like that one lot ride has some pace to it.
I agree with this.

The original Disneyland Splash Mountain uses elements of the 3 arc story structure to help the pacing and make the ride feel more complete/satisfying- but anyone who's ridden it knows it wasn't trying to solely be a play by play of Brer Rabbit leaving the Briar Patch.
 

Rich T

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I’ll give you that Tokyo and WDW tell more of a linear story. I’m just not sold on the fact that that’s what they were trying to give us at DL. And if it was and they failed then it was a happy accident... for me at least. I like how the one at DL is like a fantasyland dark ride on roids. I like how it feels that you are actually inside a mountain - a setting which comes off more mysterious and otherworldly then the bright sunshiney days seen in the other versions. Also love the pace of DLs. I’ll let the boat rides be slow and meandering and let like that one lot ride has some pace to it.
Call it a really happy accident, because they were definitely trying to combine all three Song of the South animated tales into one story-line. And they did not intend for the logs to move so quickly past the show scenes. DL's Splash had several hiccups during its construction, resulting in junking the first fleet of logs and delaying the ride's grand opening by many months. And during its first year it was constantly going down for long periods due to water level problems, the lifts breaking and more. You know that weird, clunky way the logs transition from the top of the final lift onto the drop? That definitely wasn't part of the plan. And they didn't want the first act to feel like the inside of a mountain; they wanted it to feel as if you were outdoors. But it's still a great ride, and it's awesome that you see the positive side of its personality. :)
 

SuddenStorm

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I forgot to say- rode Storybook Land Canal Boats for the first time in like 5 years- I usually just do Casey Junior. They're really a delightful ride with lots of nods and references to Walt era Disney- the ride really epitomizes Fantasyland and the spirit and feel of old fashioned Disney. Even the Frozen bit didn't detract from the spirit of the ride.

The biggest detractor to the ride experience? My boat guide who asked us all mid ride "What's Walt's favorite ride at Disneyland?" My family and I were all muttering that it was a parking lot, it was a bit confusing. Exasperated and probably disappointed no one in the boat yelled out a ride, he says "if you know the answer, just say it." The boat answers, he responds "It's a trick question, California Adventure didn't open until 2001."

Talk about a misplaced attempt at humor that really killed the spirit and feel of the ride. It wasn't funny to anyone who knew the answer, and if anyone didn't and said a ride- they likely wouldn't think it's funny for being "tricked" either. I go on that to forget about California Adventure, I don't need to be reminded of the worst of Michael Eisner's era while riding an attraction that goes back to Walt Disney.
 

SuddenStorm

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Let's flesh out this Princess and the Frog retheme idea- starting with the necessary changes to the facade to get rid of Chick a Pin hill. What landmark would the Imagineers create to replace it? A Mountain/Warehouse/Brewery/Power Plant?
 

Rich T

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Oh, I get it now. When I say I miss Adventure Thru Inner Space, I'm a doddering old fogey. But when I say maybe, just maybe Splash Mtn. could be rethemed, I'm suddenly Paul Pressler.
 

Rich T

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Let's flesh out this Princess and the Frog retheme idea- starting with the necessary changes to the facade to get rid of Chick a Pin hill. What landmark would the Imagineers create to replace it? A Mountain/Warehouse/Brewery/Power Plant?
I'd just keep Chick a Pin Hill. It looks perfect. Almost no one who visits DL has seen SotS; everyone now associates that hill with Splash Mountain. Keep the name, too. Just mention the retheme in the ad campaign.
 

shortstop

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I'd just keep Chick a Pin Hill. It looks perfect. Almost no one who visits DL has seen SotS; everyone now associates that hill with Splash Mountain. Keep the name, too. Just mention the retheme in the ad campaign.
The movie is largely irrelevant to the ride. The music is great, the characters are fun and expressive, the settings are immersive, etc. What else do you need?
 

Rich T

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Okay, retheme the loading station to Mama Odie's boat/shack or something. But the look of the mountain doesn't change. It's become too much a part of DL's landscape. Add a fantastic Louis animatronic to the ride's interior and everyone will be singing my praises for finding such an ingeeeeenious compromise between old and new. Oh, and somewhere hide a painting of Brer Rabbit handing a deed to Tiana. And at one point you can look backwards and see Brer Bear's butt.
 

mickEblu

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Call it a really happy accident, because they were definitely trying to combine all three Song of the South animated tales into one story-line. And they did not intend for the logs to move so quickly past the show scenes. DL's Splash had several hiccups during its construction, resulting in junking the first fleet of logs and delaying the ride's grand opening by many months. And during its first year it was constantly going down for long periods due to water level problems, the lifts breaking and more. You know that weird, clunky way the logs transition from the top of the final lift onto the drop? That definitely wasn't part of the plan. And they didn't want the first act to feel like the inside of a mountain; they wanted it to feel as if you were outdoors. But it's still a great ride, and it's awesome that you see the positive side of its personality. :)


Haha thanks. I heard about the issues with the logs and know that wasn’t intended. But again I disagree on them trying to tell a linear story. I look at it as them just giving us the major moments/ songs from Song of the South and doing their best to make it a 3 part story arc like @SuddenStorm said.
 

Rich T

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The movie is largely irrelevant to the ride. The music is great, the characters are fun and expressive, the settings are immersive, etc. What else do you need?
Everything I'm suggesting is simply in preparation for a worst-case-scenario social media brouhaha about the ride's story's roots. At some point, Splash's Legacy won't be worth the publicity hassle of keeping the original connection to the movie...OR repairing the existing AAs.
Honestly, I love Splash Mtn. just the way it is (minus the poor maintenance). But I do think Brer Rabbit and Crew are living on borrowed time. Before you disagree, take another look at what's happened to Pirates of the Caribbean. All it takes is one slow news days combined with a hashtag wildfire.
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
I forgot to say- rode Storybook Land Canal Boats for the first time in like 5 years- I usually just do Casey Junior. They're really a delightful ride with lots of nods and references to Walt era Disney- the ride really epitomizes Fantasyland and the spirit and feel of old fashioned Disney. Even the Frozen bit didn't detract from the spirit of the ride.

The biggest detractor to the ride experience? My boat guide who asked us all mid ride "What's Walt's favorite ride at Disneyland?" My family and I were all muttering that it was a parking lot, it was a bit confusing. Exasperated and probably disappointed no one in the boat yelled out a ride, he says "if you know the answer, just say it." The boat answers, he responds "It's a trick question, California Adventure didn't open until 2001."

Talk about a misplaced attempt at humor that really killed the spirit and feel of the ride. It wasn't funny to anyone who knew the answer, and if anyone didn't and said a ride- they likely wouldn't think it's funny for being "tricked" either. I go on that to forget about California Adventure, I don't need to be reminded of the worst of Michael Eisner's era while riding an attraction that goes back to Walt Disney.

The Storybookland canal boats are a gem that I admittedly hardly ever ride. They better never touch it for some slick E ticket. I have it up there with the likes of POTC/ HM/ NOS.
 

shortstop

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Everything I'm suggesting is simply in preparation for a worst-case-scenario social media brouhaha about the ride's story's roots. At some point, Splash's Legacy won't be worth the publicity hassle of keeping the original connection to the movie...OR repairing the existing AAs.
Honestly, I love Splash Mtn. just the way it is (minus the poor maintenance). But I do think Brer Rabbit and Crew are living on borrowed time. Before you disagree, take another look at what's happened to Pirates of the Caribbean. All it takes is one slow news days combined with a hashtag wildfire.
I see your point, but the difference is PotC has directly depicted 'controversial' scenes (regardless of your opinion on the changes) while there's nothing inherently controversial about the story depicted in SM. The characters may come from a controversial movie, but the ride only draws from the relatively-benign animated sections of the movie.
 

mickEblu

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Oh @richt forgot to say in one of my last posts that I know that they re not going for the first show scene being “inside a mountain.” I’ve never really analyzed it but it feels more that way between laughing place and burrows lament even though it doesn’t really make all that much sense in laughing place either as their are boats spinning around on water. As a write this post I think it’s becoming clear as what I meant by “inside the mountain” was really “underground” as evidenced by the carrots we see hanging overhead. I just conflated physically going inside the “mountain” and underground theming with dark lighting. Anyway none of it really makes sense (like the talking skull in POTC) but it all works in its own way that to me comes across as dare I say more magical and vintage Disney.
 

Rich T

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I see your point, but the difference is PotC has directly depicted 'controversial' scenes (regardless of your opinion on the changes) while there's nothing inherently controversial about the story depicted in SM. The characters may come from a controversial movie, but the ride only draws from the relatively-benign animated sections of the movie.
I agree with everything. But I still think there's a worst-case Perfect Storm of elements that could make the retheme happen combining all these factors:
  1. Aging AA's in dire need of replacement
  2. The GP becoming suddenly aware and PC-angry over a Disney ride based on a controversial film ("Think of the children!")
  3. A hot new IP that could be reasonably overlaid onto a log flume ride.
  4. Some favored exec making a career move by pointing out to the CEO that the hot new IP will sell a lot more plush than Brer Rabbit.
I'm not saying I actually want this to happen. I'm just saying I believe it will probably happen at one point, and then all the whipper-snapper Star Wars fans on this forum will finally know how I feel about losing a chunk of my precious river!!!! :D
 
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Rich T

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Splash Mountain is great already you just need good atmosphere for a fun ride like that and it does it perfectly and with lots of variety. I hate when rides actually try to have a story with start, middle, and end, that's how you get Finding Nemo and Mermaid.
Yes, but Splash Mtn. DOES have a story with a start, middle and end. But I agree it's fun and it works in spite of most riders not paying much attention to the story. I also agree there's enough going on to make it entertaining and atmospheric anyway.
 

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