The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

SuddenStorm

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Being born in the late '90s, there's many classic attractions I was never able to experience (or experienced, but have no memory of it).

Mission To Mars? Country Bear Jamboree? Peoplemover? America Sings? Submarine Voyage? The Skyway? The Motorboat Cruise?

Or howbout all the attraction changes- like Pirates pre '97. And while I rode these prior to their changes, I wasn't old enough to care about the it's a small world and Pirates of the Caribbean bastardizations.

The only "lost" attractions I get to be nostalgic for are the Maliboomer and Golden Dreams...
 

Darkbeer1

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Rocket Rods, yes!
Wish I could have experienced them ...and the PeopleMover.

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I remember The original PeopleMover, that went through Adventure thru Inner Space, saw the original vision of EPCOT above the Carrousel of Progress, and going through the pre-show of CircleVision.

I also remember the PeopleMover breaking down when I was over the Submarine Lagoon, and then talking the long walk to the CircleVision building, where we used a backstage staircase to get to ground level. And then being handed a couple of "Any Ride" coupons to make up the 30 to 45 minutes it took for them to decide the ride couldn't restart, then getting some CM's to come out to each car to let us out. They started at the farthest point, then we stopped at each train of cars to get more guests to walk down the edge of the track to the staircase.....

I think I was a pre-teen when that happened......
 

mickEblu

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Original Poster
Being born in the late '90s, there's many classic attractions I was never able to experience (or experienced, but have no memory of it).

Mission To Mars? Country Bear Jamboree? Peoplemover? America Sings? Submarine Voyage? The Skyway? The Motorboat Cruise?

Or howbout all the attraction changes- like Pirates pre '97. And while I rode these prior to their changes, I wasn't old enough to care about the it's a small world and Pirates of the Caribbean bastardizations.

The only "lost" attractions I get to be nostalgic for are the Maliboomer and Golden Dreams...

You missed a few good ones. Of the few you mentioned I never got to ride Mission to Mars or Motorboat cruise. The former is especially ridiculous as it didn’t close until I was ten years old. My parents seemed to focus on the heavy hitters on the West side of the park. I don’t even have a lot of Fantasyland memories. I didn’t go on Peter Pan til my late teens. I was 13 when I first rode Alice on a 8th grade field trip. Didn’t see Enchanted tiki room til I was 18. Then again my parents were 20 when they had me and wingin it. They took me to see Fatal Attraction at the movies when I was 6.

I also never got to ride Adventures Thru inner space.
 

Darkbeer1

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Being born in the late '90s, there's many classic attractions I was never able to experience (or experienced, but have no memory of it).

Mission To Mars? Country Bear Jamboree? Peoplemover? America Sings? Submarine Voyage? The Skyway? The Motorboat Cruise?

Or howbout all the attraction changes- like Pirates pre '97. And while I rode these prior to their changes, I wasn't old enough to care about the it's a small world and Pirates of the Caribbean bastardizations.

The only "lost" attractions I get to be nostalgic for are the Maliboomer and Golden Dreams...


Gee, I remember Junior Autopia, Flight to the Moon (loved Mission Control). And yes, the Skyway.... Even the Fantasyland Theater, which was a letdown, and I guess my parents used it on a hot day to keep cool.
 

SuddenStorm

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I'm nostalgic for Star Tours, DCA 1.0, the old Matterhorn yeti, Tower of Terror, and the original auction scene on Pirates of the Caribbean.

Sad how each of those changes (except for DCA 1.0 and Star Tours) are all from within the last 5 years. They've really been messing with the parks a bunch these last few years.

I'd be more forgiving of a lot of the changes they've made recently- but to me, seeing the mess that they're calling Fantasmic! now was sort of a "Man, what's happening to this place?" moment for me. I think we all have the stuff that we never want changed... and for me, Fantasmic was it (especially since the scene changes were nonsensical at best, and poorly executed).
 

TROR

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Sad how each of those changes (except for DCA 1.0 and Star Tours) are all from within the last 5 years. They've really been messing with the parks a bunch these last few years.

I'd be more forgiving of a lot of the changes they've made recently- but to me, seeing the mess that they're calling Fantasmic! now was sort of a "Man, what's happening to this place?" moment for me. I think we all have the stuff that we never want changed... and for me, Fantasmic was it (especially since the scene changes were nonsensical at best, and poorly executed).
I saw a post on reddit earlier today of a man on the speeder-bike at DHS from 20 years ago paired with a photo of the same man now with his baby together on the speeder bike. I feel like that's really all you need to understand why it's important to preserve the parks, even if that particular speeder bike isn't anything historical or special. The way Disneyland is able to transcend generations is one of its greatest strengths (beyond just being artistic masterpieces).
 

SuddenStorm

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I saw a post on reddit earlier today of a man on the speeder-bike at DHS from 20 years ago paired with a photo of the same man now with his baby together on the speeder bike. I feel like that's really all you need to understand why it's important to preserve the parks, even if that particular speeder bike isn't anything historical or special. The way Disneyland is able to transcend generations is one of its greatest strengths (beyond just being artistic masterpieces).

Amazing too, since DHS is hardly Disney's greatest theme park. Disney needs to eventually realize that while drastically changing Fantasmic, the Tower, Star Tours, etc. away from their original creative intent into entirely "new" entities might boost attendance short term, but long term, the parks could suffer greatly if the emotional link guests have to these attractions is severed.

The rate of change that Disney's been tweaking DCA has basically invalidated any fond memories people have had from the 2000's. They've basically alienated the ToT and Soarin' fans, Grizzly River Run is the least changed attraction in that park. They desperately need to start putting attractions in there that are good enough to become timeless and classic.

Perhaps I'm a bit more cynical that the average park guest, but I have zero desire to ever return to DCA- I couldn't care less about the new Soarin', Guardians of the Galaxy, The Incredicoaster. And if I'm gonna get wet on a Disney ride, it needs singing geese and talking rabbits. I used to have a "spend 3 hours in DCA to hit the good stuff, then hop on over to Disneyland" mentality, but now I avoid the park like the plague.

It was amazing visiting Disneyland with my extended family (including my grandparents) a few months ago, and hearing their stories about visiting from the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

"I remember when this opened" while waiting for the Tiki Room.
"I remember when the line for Star Tours went all the way out here" while standing in the hub by the Plaza Inn.
"I remember visiting the park opening year for this" while waiting for Fantasmic.

Attractions like the Haunted Mansion and Pirates, while changed, still (mostly) resemble what they were on opening day.

Space Mountain is more a 2005 attraction that it is a 1977 one, but even with the addition of music, the revamp of the effects, and the entrance/queue changes, it's still very much Space Mountain. That's how you update an attraction for future generations.

Big Thunder is another excellent example, and while I wish the bobsled design was a bit better, and that the new Harold had the same art design as the original (just with the updated technology), it's still very much "the Matterhorn". The Fantasyland Dark Ride enhancements were also delightful.
 

Darkbeer1

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One thing that always makes me sad is walking thru the Penny Arcade, and miss the original version with coin op games from about 100 years old, and then the 40's, 50's and 60's.

But I was always an arcade geek, there was a couple in Downtown San Diego as a kid, and also the Belmont Park arcade, and the mini golf course near the Pacific Beach Pier.....
 

SuddenStorm

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I absolutely despise the "they have to keep the parks fresh for modern audiences" excuse that gets used every time Disney changes something. It's starting to get used to justify every ridiculous and poorly executed change the execs make, and is becoming the new "Walt said Disneyland would never be complete, therefore whatever management wants to do is justified".
 

Rich T

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One thing that always makes me sad is walking thru the Penny Arcade, and miss the original version with coin op games from about 100 years old, and then the 40's, 50's and 60's.

But I was always an arcade geek, there was a couple in Downtown San Diego as a kid, and also the Belmont Park arcade, and the mini golf course near the Pacific Beach Pier.....
I loved the old Baseball and Golf machines... and the row of hand-cranked Mutoscope flipcard viewers!
 

TROR

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I don't understand science beyond basic astronomy, anatomy, zoology, and geology therefore else other science is stupid. Theology and history are the most intellectual studies and coincide with art, music, and beauty with value.
 

Rich T

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I don't understand science beyond basic astronomy, anatomy, zoology, and geology therefore else other science is stupid. Theology and history are the most intellectual studies and coincide with art, music, and beauty with value.
Music is math. Color is light. Architecture is physics. Without science of all kinds, we would not have the tools we have to create and share art, nor the schools to teach art, theology and history.
 

Rich T

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Everyone always says "banked turns" when Rocket Rods is referenced. They don't look like they could have taken banked turns, but I don't know.
I personally had no problem with the ride’s frequent braking and acceleration: It made it feel like an actual “drive” through Tomorrowland. It was unique and fun. That’s what apparently caused the excessive maintenance issues, though.

If this fiasco happened in any good non-Disney park, the owners would long ago have replaced it with a family launch coaster covering the same route, because surely that’s better than nothing. Right, Disney? Right? Hey, Disney, would you stop painting “PIXARFEST 2” signs and listen to us for a moment?!?
 

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