The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

TP2000

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We are hearing her through the labor union voice. We may be missing a few facts about her life and labor conditions.
100%. We are hearing about her situation through one specific lens. There are likely to be inaccuracies in both directions, as that's the nature of these sorts of reports. That said, I tend to trust the workers on the ground over the higher ups to understand what the situation is really like on the ground.

Ms. Arceo is clearly known well to the union leadership of Unite Here Local 11, as they have used her for three separate media interviews in the past year. And the union also got Evelyn Arceo to speak at a county council meeting as part of that media process, which was mentioned in a fourth media article on the county council meeting.

My question is, what has the union done with her dues money the past 8 years to help Evelyn Arceo? The union is obviously aware of the tuition assistance and financial planning resources that Universal Studios provides its employees, so did the union help Ms. Arceo to get involved with that type of assistance from her employer? Does Unite Here have a tuition assistance program to offer also? Or does Unite Here have a program to help place workers in apprenticeship programs with fellow unionized trades that pay more?

Could her union help Ms. Arceo to become an electrician, a plumber, a welder, a machinist, or any other skilled union trade that pays a lot more than icing donuts? Certainly plenty of unionized skilled trades are represented on the Universal lot.

If earning $19 per hour to put icing on donuts is difficult to raise 4 children on with no husband (and I don't doubt that it is difficult, even with government assistance and food stamps thrown in to that monthly financial package!), and the Unite Here Local 11 leadership is fully aware of the situation dues-paying member Evelyn Arceo is in... what else has her union leadership done for Ms. Arceo to help her improve her career options besides just using her for media interviews?

For those wondering, here's a summary of the media tour that Unite Here Local 11 has put Evelyn Arceo on since 2023...

 

Phroobar

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Either this or Plectus. In a perfect world they reuse carousel theater for what it was built to do, as an animatronic theater venue
Plectus is far better idea.
Or just give us Horizons 2.0
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CaptinEO

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Ms. Arceo is clearly known well to the union leadership of Unite Here Local 11, as they have used her for three separate media interviews in the past year. And the union also got Evelyn Arceo to speak at a county council meeting as part of that media process, which was mentioned in a fourth media article on the county council meeting.

My question is, what has the union done with her dues money the past 8 years to help Evelyn Arceo? The union is obviously aware of the tuition assistance and financial planning resources that Universal Studios provides its employees, so did the union help Ms. Arceo to get involved with that type of assistance from her employer? Does Unite Here have a tuition assistance program to offer also? Or does Unite Here have a program to help place workers in apprenticeship programs with fellow unionized trades that pay more?

Could her union help Ms. Arceo to become an electrician, a plumber, a welder, a machinist, or any other skilled union trade that pays a lot more than icing donuts? Certainly plenty of unionized skilled trades are represented on the Universal lot.

If earning $19 per hour to put icing on donuts is difficult to raise 4 children on with no husband (and I don't doubt that it is difficult, even with government assistance and food stamps thrown in to that monthly financial package!), and the Unite Here Local 11 leadership is fully aware of the situation dues-paying member Evelyn Arceo is in... what else has her union leadership done for Ms. Arceo to help her improve her career options besides just using her for media interviews?

For those wondering, here's a summary of the media tour that Unite Here Local 11 has put Evelyn Arceo on since 2023...

Good find with this, guess she is their representative in many ways, but as you stated how are they helping her?

Seems like they are exploiting her to me. You could argue this woman is being exploited by both her employer and her union now and not getting compensated properly.
 

TP2000

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Carousel of Progress belongs in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. DL regulars would appreciate it more than Orlando tourists. Make it happen, D'Amaro!

I agree to an extent, but it needs a thorough restaging of all four acts. Originally, the show covered the preceding 60 years of electrical progress in 20 year leaps, but now it's been 60 years since the show first opened.

I would propose a new show that has three acts detailing progress in consumer appliances and domestic development; 1910's, 1950's, 2000's, and then a fourth act that looked at the future of the 2030's that could be updated easily in five or eight years time.

You would also need a deep-pocketed sponsor, and it seems Apple would be a great choice. The show would not focus on specific brands in the first acts, but would instead use a range of examples and technology. In the third and fourth acts the Apple products would become part of the show, obviously.

But to just pick up the 1964 World's Fair show and bring it to Disneyland, even if you updated the tacky 1990's finale' they have running in WDW, isn't a wise idea in my opinion. You would need to dramatically change and update the entire show, while keeping its original charm and whimsy and that great Sherman Brothers theme song.
 

TP2000

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Good find with this, guess she is their representative in many ways, but as you stated how are they helping her?

Exactly. If she is unable to help herself access the resources and benefits her employer is offering to her, has her union leadership stepped in to get her integrated into those employer programs?

And that same union has no career development resources to offer her at all? Nothing that could get her a skilled trade?

If her union can get her to county meetings and offer her up to multiple news outlets for interviews, including home visits and photography sessions, then certainly her union can get her enrolled and engaged in assistance programs and benefits that are actively being offered to her.

Seems like they are exploiting her to me. You could argue this woman is being exploited by both her employer and her union now and not getting compensated properly.

Worst case scenario, yes that's exactly what's happening.

But her employer pays her a paycheck each week, while her union takes money out of that paycheck. I would think the organization taking money from her paycheck would do more to assist her, rather than just use her for unpaid media hits.
 

mickEblu

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Just beat Mario Wonder with my son. Not sure it’s the best Mario game ever but I think it might be the most fun. @Rich T / Nintendo fans what did you think?
 
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Phroobar

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I agree to an extent, but it needs a thorough restaging of all four acts. Originally, the show covered the preceding 60 years of electrical progress in 20 year leaps, but now it's been 60 years since the show first opened.

I would propose a new show that has three acts detailing progress in consumer appliances and domestic development; 1910's, 1950's, 2000's, and then a fourth act that looked at the future of the 2030's that could be updated easily in five or eight years time.

You would also need a deep-pocketed sponsor, and it seems Apple would be a great choice. The show would not focus on specific brands in the first acts, but would instead use a range of examples and technology. In the third and fourth acts the Apple products would become part of the show, obviously.

But to just pick up the 1964 World's Fair show and bring it to Disneyland, even if you updated the tacky 1990's finale' they have running in WDW, isn't a wise idea in my opinion. You would need to dramatically change and update the entire show, while keeping its original charm and whimsy and that great Sherman Brothers theme song.
The thing is after the initial opening it will play to empty theaters. No one is going to sit though an edutainment about outdated technology no matter how great the song is. Even a upgraded Chuck-e-cheese AA show like America Sings or Plectus will play to empty rooms within the first year of release. Tomorrowland needs a e-ticket and not a place to take a nap. That is what Lincoln is for.
 

PiratesMansion

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Carousel of Progress belongs in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. DL regulars would appreciate it more than Orlando tourists. Make it happen, D'Amaro!
This sounds nice and "just", given the importance of the show, but the key thing is that it left in the 70s. Had it stayed, it might have become an enduring park classic on the level of Tiki Room. But because it left? It'd be received the way most people received Captain EO when it returned in 2010: what the heck is this?!? Disney just doesn't make attractions like this anymore, and the reaction from anyone who wouldn't already be familiar with it from their own memories would largely be confusion.

The only market that exists for static AA shows (or arguably theater shows in general) at Disneyland Resort is for legacy attractions that were around in Walt's era. Because it left, COP would not be treated the same way the existing legacy attractions are. Even if the Carousel theater would be able to be reconstructed, I don't believe it would be able to sustain its attendance over time to a point where it would make sense for DL to keep it around. As much as is underappreciated in Florida, theater shows have, generally speaking, had far greater lasting power when compared to the CA parks (there's a reason Florida's the only place that still has Muppetvision and ITTBAB, and it's not just because those parks collectively need more capacity). Bring COP to DL, and I'd be very surprised if it lasted more than five years.
 

Phroobar

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This sounds nice and "just", given the importance of the show, but the key thing is that it left in the 70s. Had it stayed, it might have become an enduring park classic on the level of Tiki Room. But because it left? It'd be received the way most people received Captain EO when it returned in 2010: what the heck is this?!? Disney just doesn't make attractions like this anymore, and the reaction from anyone who wouldn't already be familiar with it from their own memories would largely be confusion.

The only market that exists for static AA shows (or arguably theater shows in general) at Disneyland Resort is for legacy attractions that were around in Walt's era. Because it left, COP would not be treated the same way the existing legacy attractions are. Even if the Carousel theater would be able to be reconstructed, I don't believe it would be able to sustain its attendance over time to a point where it would make sense for DL to keep it around. As much as is underappreciated in Florida, theater shows have, generally speaking, had far greater lasting power when compared to the CA parks (there's a reason Florida's the only place that still has Muppetvision and ITTBAB, and it's not just because those parks collectively need more capacity). Bring COP to DL, and I'd be very surprised if it lasted more than five years.
Agreed. WDW is still paying Disneyland's Lion King parade as a show for the last thirty years. They are still playing BATB stage show that left Disneyland just as long ago. The only reason people go to CoP is to get out of the heat/rain. Most of the time it is seasonal anyway.

If executed well, I think a Horizon 2.0 omnimover will do really well there especially if it is full of AAs and special effects. Make it POTC level and maybe incorporate the dinosaurs.
 

mickEblu

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I haven’t had this much appreciation for Indy since the mid to late 90s. Aside from recently watching all the movies and the last refurb bringing it back to life I have a lot of displaced love for Splash Mountain that has kind of just landed on Indy. Another Baxter ride from the 80s/90s generation of Imagineering. Not to mention the more underwhelming new rides and lands open the more I appreciate some of the older classics.
 
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Rich T

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Just beat Mario Wonder with my son. Not sure it’s the best Mario game ever but I think it might be the most fun. @Rich T / Nintendo fans what did you think?
I love Mario Wonder. Haven’t quite gotten to the end yet, but I’ve found the game so far to be great fun and full of terrific creative twists. The Piranha Plant musical number is probably my favorite level in any game ever. And Elephant Mario has got to be a standard power up from this point forward!

Odyssey is still my favorite Mario platformer from this console generation, but Wonder is pretty great. 😃
 

mickEblu

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I love Mario Wonder. Haven’t quite gotten to the end yet, but I’ve found the game so far to be great fun and full of terrific creative twists. The Piranha Plant musical number is probably my favorite level in any game ever. And Elephant Mario has got to be a standard power up from this point forward!

Odyssey is still my favorite Mario platformer from this console generation, but Wonder is pretty great. 😃

Lol. I was literally going to tell you this when you responded. The singing piranha plants are my favorite part! Elephant Mario was awesome. They re going to have to make a few more of these.
 

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