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The future of theme parks...

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Wow. Just wow. td1129 comes on here, posts his opinion, and gets attacked and called a troll by you and others because his opinion doesn't match yours? Is this was WDW Magic has come to? That's just sad.

Placing a post in News and Rumors when it had no place there in a way designed to simply generate anger is troll-like behavior. I'd argue that it doesn't really here, but at least one could argue as to why it does ... I probably will stay out of this and y'all can talk about all the MAGIC of WDW's future all you want.
 

yeti

Well-Known Member
VERY jealous. You'll love it. We dream about going back constantly. The current plan is to save up for a couple years and in 2016 take a 3 week run to the new Shanghai park and on the way back stop to re-visit Hong Kong and TDL. If we pull it off, it'll be the trip of a lifetime.

If I might offer one piece of advice... When you first get to Disney Sea, head directly to the back right corner of the park to ride The Voyage of Sinbad. I've gushed about it before on here, but the ride is truly a spectacle. Simply amazing. It's odd because it's not treated as a headliner attraction, and rarely has much of a line... And I'm not sure why. It's the total package. Music, effects, storyline. Simply amazing. I've posted the video before for those interested, but here it is again... AMAZING.

I've always admired Sinbad- from what I've seen/heard it really looks like a contender for best ride in the park. Seriously. And the fact that they keep such a lovely ride operating (and in assumedly mint condition to boot) when nobody rides it? WOW. Wonder what the maintenance budget is on that one? Methinks they'd even keep it open during Extra Magic Hours if they had them. :rolleyes:
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I've always admired Sinbad- from what I've seen/heard it really looks like a contender for best ride in the park. Seriously. And the fact that they keep such a lovely ride operating (and in assumedly mint condition to boot) when nobody rides it? WOW. Wonder what the maintenance budget is on that one? Methinks they'd even keep it open during Extra Magic Hours if they had them. :rolleyes:

For a classical dark ride, it definitely is one of the best. Especially how perfectly clean everything is and it all works.

The part that stunned me the most? On the right side of the boat you pass by a lot of gold "coins"...they're not movable obviously, because they're not really coins, but they're so close, you only have to reach about 6 inches to reach there, and YET, you'd never guess they've been touched once, because there was no marks on them, no peeling paint or missing areas, it was perfect.

Now if that was in WDW, I'm sure you all can guess what it would look like. Part of that is upkeep, part of it is just how much respect that the Japanese have for others property.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Ok, I will backtrack on my trolololol statement, perhaps I was too harsh.

But IMO, the things Disney is doing now have nothing to do with the actual future of theme parks. I think instead we need to look at Mystic Manor, Carsland, and I'm sure Shanghai Disneyland will also have some unique things.

Up until very recently there was the question about technology vs. storytelling. Should technology be developed to drive the story, or can technology be adopted and find storylines to work around it. When discussing larger concepts this is still valid, however I think we're going to be seeing lots of changes on a smaller scale.

Honestly I think both Universal AND Disney have a long way they can progress. I'm one of those people who look at all of the newest gadgets and consider their potential for theme parks, and there is so much that hasn't been done yet.

We're going to see more interactive attractions, not just shooting rides, but more like Monster's Inc. at Tokyo Disneyland, and more attractions like Star Tours 2 where there's multiple versions, and re-rideability.

I have a lot of my own ideas, but I have to keep them a secret, in case I ever get to experiment with them in reality.
 

Avenger117

Well-Known Member
I am guessing you guys are young, but boy those viewpoints really scare me for the future ...

I just meant its nice to do something that you enjoy doing. Not sure what that has to do with being young. Mongello obviously enjoys the Disney parks, So I'm sure its great for him if hes being paid to discuss them. I don't know that hes paid by Disney, but its good for him if he is.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
Nah. Just got my quotes mixed up and didnt want to flame things.

You know what I think of your opinions. After all these years. Why did you come back anyway?
Well, not flaming things is admirable. Maybe you can get others in your group to do likewise.

You know, I appreciate some things you bring to the forums such as information, rumors, future projects and the sort. But I find that you simply go negative just to get some high fives from the few in the echo chamber. If that's not what you meant to portray, I'm sorry -- that's the way it appears. There's been several times where you went over the top negative about announced projects and then months down the road posting that you enjoyed those same attractions. You also have a tendency to lead the pack in outright attacks on imagineers and executives. (keep reading, you'll be surprised)

One specific time was when you posted several times trashing imagineers and fanning the group doing the same thing. I used an analogy of making fan videos was simple and anyone with Movie Maker could do that. It was hilarious to see people falling over themselves trying to defend your capabilities. It was actually quite revealing to anyone who sat back and looked at the issue of how hypocritical posters were being defending your talents when a few posts earlier were trashing those imagineers actually doing the work you filmed and made great videos portraying their work. I set it up, took the heat, and watched it play out exactly as I figured. Some people recognized the hypocrisy and maybe it made a difference in their outlook. However, I don't think you ever realized or appreciated the point being made. I have no idea of the work and talent that goes into making some of the very good videos that you make. Just like most of us have no idea of the work and pride that imagineers have in bringing attractions to fruition for us to enjoy. Step back and think about someone that happens to read this forum and see you, a leader here, and others trashing their work without really having any true knowledge of the effort they put into their work while being constrained by necessary budgets.

Steve has built a pretty good community here... I'd just like for it to be better. I'd love for people to bring objective issues to light. Do it in a way that the whole community can get behind and be a voice asking for some positive changes in the parks. However, the voices of a few that continually dwell on the minutia, only find fault, blow issues out of proportion, and generally have little, if anything good to say, they hurt the community and drown out objective calls for improvement. The personal attacks, class warfare, subjective entitlement, etc... it's laughed at and ignored by anyone that could make a difference. Unfortunately, that's mostly what we have from a vocal few.

The true issues get lost in the noise. You, Lee and a few others could lead the community in calls for improvements on big issues... the Yeti, show conditions at Splash, expansion at the Studios, etc. Change the message from trashing everything to realize budgets are a necessary evil for a business. FLE is a step in the right direction. Refurbs throughout MK, while maybe not exactly what some would want, are another step. Improving the MM&Y show. BTMRR refurb. These are examples of moving, even admittedly sometimes small steps, in a better direction.

That's why I returned to posting. I want to see the community be a recognized voice praising the good and pointing out the big things that objectively need work. You and others could help drown out the ridiculous subjective whining over the minutia (couple of quick examples from just today -- playground at GF and the food truck). As the big things are improved, the small things will be also. As they receive positive feedback on larger issues being fixed, they will see that it's in their best interest to keep moving in that direction. When communities such as WDWMagic have a vocal few that continually trash anything they do, what's the incentive for worrying about the little things? This community may not be the largest WDW group of fans, but working together, maybe we can push for positive changes. However, invective, hyperbole and nasty rants by a vocal few will not help that cause, only hurt it. I push back against that style, but try to highlight the big issues. Too many times, there is so much negativity, I focus on that instead of pushing for better ways to highlight the major issues.

Maybe Steve will read this... if so, I do have a request. I think a new sub-forum could be created that has threads highlighting major issues (similar to the Yeti thread). However, instead of a free-for-all posting on those threads, it's a HEAVILY moderated thread with all rants, off-topics, etc deleted. Keep them objective and to the point. Keep that forum focused and a few major issues - one issue per thread. Posts that highlight improvements and degradation are the only ones that would be allowed. No subjective mess and no minutia. No attacks on "pixie dusters", doom & gloomers, etc. I think everyone could trust Steve to keep those threads clean and on point. What do you think?
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
First, I'm humbled. I am. Thank you.

Second, I just want to be clear I don't attack WDI per se. Not the poor geniuses who invent the rides, shows, systems and attractions all the while having to justify their jobs and knowing the axe may swing their way next. It's the management structure. The bloated corporate red tape laden suit infrastructure that means projects take far longer than they should and cost way more than they should. Yes, budgets are cut in almost everything. Its reasons why and lacklustre funding originally thats an issue.

And then there's the management structure at WDW co. and TDO. For another day.

But I agree, sometimes I do get carried away. I'll say what I think, given information I know. Ill say what's a guess, and if educated or not. And I'll eat humble pie if I'm wrong and I'll congratulate what's deserving, like I have done with HM and HoP. But I still won't sit back and say x was done brilliantly when I know it should have been y as originally planned. As happens all too often.

But this isn't about me or you, I just wanted to publically say thank you. And yes, hopefully some of the more level headed realists can realistically steer our passions in more of a deserving direction.

As is often said, we are afterall all here because of the same reason. Our love of the parks.
 

KaliSplash

Well-Known Member
Got to go with RodSerling27 on this one. The items listed are pretty much just tiny experiences in what we hope are vastly different, high-quality attractions. I readily admit that all the details are what makes WDW WDW. Perhaps these are better than having characters water-ski alongside the ferry boat from the TTC to MK, or having the WDW Marching Band with Maj. Mike or having any number of other "extra" experiences that are not attractions, per se, But I must say, I am most unimpressed with the items you list.
 

jensenrick

Well-Known Member
Speaking of the future of Theme parks, IMHO old school "dark rides" are going the way of the dodo bird. I think that's the reason Mr. Toad and Snow White are gone. And "boat rides" are even more dated, even as they are built. When was the last one of those that was a success? People want dynamic rides and tech- not to just drift past sets on a slow current.
Thoughts?
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Speaking of the future of Theme parks, IMHO old school "dark rides" are going the way of the dodo bird. I think that's the reason Mr. Toad and Snow White are gone. And "boat rides" are even more dated, even as they are built. When was the last one of those that was a success? People want dynamic rides and tech- not to just drift past sets on a slow current.
Thoughts?

I could understand your point more if both Toad and Snow were gone at Disneyland. They're both still there, one, because of the fanbase, and two, because they are such classics. Not to mention if they ever tried to take them away, Disneyland guests would have heart attacks. I won't even mention the updates both Snow and Pan got.
 

jensenrick

Well-Known Member
I could understand your point more if both Toad and Snow were gone at Disneyland. They're both still there, one, because of the fanbase, and two, because they are such classics. Not to mention if they ever tried to take them away, Disneyland guests would have heart attacks. I won't even mention the updates both Snow and Pan got.

Yes, I know- classics yadda yadda, but imagine if they built a ride like that now for a new movie, like Tangled or Princess and Frog- people would be screaming "cheap! cop-out! lazy!" And they would be right.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
Yes, I know- classics yadda yadda, but imagine if they built a ride like that now for a new movie, like Tangled or Princess and Frog- people would be screaming "cheap! cop-out! lazy!" And they would be right.

Well yeah, if they were to build a dark ride now in the same sense at the old ones in Fantasyland, it would be a problem. If it's more impressive and more "high tech", then people wouldn't have a huge problem, for example Mike and Sulley to the Rescue at DCA.
 

jensenrick

Well-Known Member
Well yeah, if they were to build a dark ride now in the same sense at the old ones in Fantasyland, it would be a problem. If it's more impressive and more "high tech", then people wouldn't have a huge problem, for example Mike and Sulley to the Rescue at DCA.

I'm not familiar with that ride- is that actually considered a "dark ride"? I don't know if you've read the threads about the LM ride coming to New FL, but some people have a pretty rigid idea of what a "dark ride" is and should be. And I'd say, if WDW wants to truly retain a title of "innovative" they have to leave the "black lights" and day-glo paints behind- they are on too many carny rides these days.
 

Californian Elitist

Well-Known Member
I'm not familiar with that ride- is that actually considered a "dark ride"? I don't know if you've read the threads about the LM ride coming to New FL, but some people have a pretty rigid idea of what a "dark ride" is and should be. And I'd say, if WDW wants to truly retain a title of "innovative" they have to leave the "black lights" and day-glo paints behind- they are on too many carny rides these days.

Since there are those who want to be technical, I'll just call it a movie ride, in which you pass through scenes of the movies. There.
 

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