puntagordabob
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LOL I wonder how they would make that work?
Speaking of the Orange Bird, I had that orange bird juice "orange" shaped sippy cup for a long time when I was a little kid and liked to drink orange juice out of it lol....
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The Enchanted Tiki Room set to reopen later in 2011 after sustaining fire damage
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LOL I wonder how they would make that work?
Speaking of the Orange Bird, I had that orange bird juice "orange" shaped sippy cup for a long time when I was a little kid and liked to drink orange juice out of it lol....
puntagordabob
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Saw an interesting post on __________________________________ regarding the original & UNM shows as (they claim in their post) Disney looks at it.... guess they used to work there as a CM.... not sure of the validity of what they posted, BUT I did find it quite interesting and thought Id paste it over here....
Author was FOXXFUR.....Post 38 in that thread and she was responding to our very own EPCOT EXPLORER ...........
PASTE BEGINS
Crunching Tiki Numbers
Originally Posted by EPCOT Explorer
Honestly, what stage show garners a line?
People gather, it opens up, new crowd. There's never two crowds waiting, ever.
Foxxfur responds:
But that's not really the point, it's that the utilization was pitifully low. Really, really low. Swiss Family Treehouse, which costs the company nothing to run because nobody ever staffs it, got better numbers. Most theater attractions don't have lines (Voyage of the Little Mermaid and Philharmagic notable exceptions) because of how large Disney theaters are, but their utilization can be quite good, which is the important number to Disney.
Utilization, by the way, is the number of people the show/ride can hold in an hour divided by the number of people who actually did ride it. The OHRC (Operational Hourly Ride Capacity) is 98% of the possible capacity. So if the Riverboat can hold 450 people and it runs twice an hour then the OHRC is 900. If 376 people ride it in an hour, then the utilization is 38%.
As for the Tiki Room.... the capacity for that is about 335 per show. When running the original show, this meant that the Tiki Room could run 3 times an hour and move through 1,005 people per hour. Not a bad number.
So. Along comes Under New Management, which was originally an 18 minute show. This meant Disney could easily have run it three times an hour and still had the same capacity. But during the show installation, Eisner sees it and orders WDI to cut the duration of the show in half. We now have a ten minute show. But what does this do to utilization?
Basically, you can now run one show every 12 minutes, or about five times an hour. The OHRC is now up to 1,675 an hour. But how many people are really going to wander into any show waiting area with what is really only a ten minute window? I worked at UNM for a month or two once and I can tell you... generally about 10-25 people per show. Or, averaged, 125 people an hour. Hardly ever more than 40 persons per show at peak times. 40 people a show every twelve minutes may not seems so bad, but wait. That's a utilization of... wait for it....
0.119%, or, rounded in Disney's fashion, 11%. Remember that Country Bear Jamboree regularly pulls in 40 - 70% of their capacity, as does Hall of Presidents. Riverboat, one of the least utilized attractions in the park, usually floats around 25% utilization. And I was nice and counted those numbers for the Tiki Room during peak season. The overall utilization over the course of the entire day was often more like 7%.
Or, on a normal day of 40,000 people in park, if 7% of all guests in the Magic Kingdom saw The Enchanted Tiki Room, or about 2,800 people total. Remember that it's not uncommon for a ride like Pirates of the Caribbean to hit 65% utilization on a target day of 40,000. Over half of everyone who walked into the Magic Kingdom saw Pirates, whereas less than 10% saw Tiki Room.
That's the real problem WDI faces with Tiki Room. Makes the show too long, and people will want to walk out. Make it too short, and you create numbers a third-tier attraction like Tiki Room will never be able to pull in. I think they should aim for something like 15 minutes, which is about as long as CBJ, which makes its' numbers just fine.
ANYWAY. I know most people out here don't know how Disney actually gauges the success or failure of any given attraction from an Operational perspective, so there it is. Have fun!
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source: http://www.__________________________________.com/forums/showthread.php?p=32558
Author was FOXXFUR.....Post 38 in that thread and she was responding to our very own EPCOT EXPLORER
...........PASTE BEGINS
Crunching Tiki Numbers
Originally Posted by EPCOT Explorer
Honestly, what stage show garners a line?
Foxxfur responds:
But that's not really the point, it's that the utilization was pitifully low. Really, really low. Swiss Family Treehouse, which costs the company nothing to run because nobody ever staffs it, got better numbers. Most theater attractions don't have lines (Voyage of the Little Mermaid and Philharmagic notable exceptions) because of how large Disney theaters are, but their utilization can be quite good, which is the important number to Disney.
Utilization, by the way, is the number of people the show/ride can hold in an hour divided by the number of people who actually did ride it. The OHRC (Operational Hourly Ride Capacity) is 98% of the possible capacity. So if the Riverboat can hold 450 people and it runs twice an hour then the OHRC is 900. If 376 people ride it in an hour, then the utilization is 38%.
As for the Tiki Room.... the capacity for that is about 335 per show. When running the original show, this meant that the Tiki Room could run 3 times an hour and move through 1,005 people per hour. Not a bad number.
So. Along comes Under New Management, which was originally an 18 minute show. This meant Disney could easily have run it three times an hour and still had the same capacity. But during the show installation, Eisner sees it and orders WDI to cut the duration of the show in half. We now have a ten minute show. But what does this do to utilization?
Basically, you can now run one show every 12 minutes, or about five times an hour. The OHRC is now up to 1,675 an hour. But how many people are really going to wander into any show waiting area with what is really only a ten minute window? I worked at UNM for a month or two once and I can tell you... generally about 10-25 people per show. Or, averaged, 125 people an hour. Hardly ever more than 40 persons per show at peak times. 40 people a show every twelve minutes may not seems so bad, but wait. That's a utilization of... wait for it....
0.119%, or, rounded in Disney's fashion, 11%. Remember that Country Bear Jamboree regularly pulls in 40 - 70% of their capacity, as does Hall of Presidents. Riverboat, one of the least utilized attractions in the park, usually floats around 25% utilization. And I was nice and counted those numbers for the Tiki Room during peak season. The overall utilization over the course of the entire day was often more like 7%.
Or, on a normal day of 40,000 people in park, if 7% of all guests in the Magic Kingdom saw The Enchanted Tiki Room, or about 2,800 people total. Remember that it's not uncommon for a ride like Pirates of the Caribbean to hit 65% utilization on a target day of 40,000. Over half of everyone who walked into the Magic Kingdom saw Pirates, whereas less than 10% saw Tiki Room.
That's the real problem WDI faces with Tiki Room. Makes the show too long, and people will want to walk out. Make it too short, and you create numbers a third-tier attraction like Tiki Room will never be able to pull in. I think they should aim for something like 15 minutes, which is about as long as CBJ, which makes its' numbers just fine.
ANYWAY. I know most people out here don't know how Disney actually gauges the success or failure of any given attraction from an Operational perspective, so there it is. Have fun!
END OF PASTE
source: http://www.__________________________________.com/forums/showthread.php?p=32558
puntagordabob
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WDWMagic Forum apparently does not allow us to post the link to give credit to the author on the other forum....tried multiple times... so to anyone who was offended that I did not post credit, its not my fault....
aladdin2007
Well-Known Member
I think there is something more going on that just fixing what was damaged by the fire incident. A chunk of posts back, someone reported that all work had come to a complete hault, somewhat making it sound like plans had changed...then a few posts after or a couple days ago I guess it was, someone else stated those who wished the Tiki Room would return to its former glory are in luck!
I dont know the credibility of the two who posted those comments but Im feeling good about it. I just think its something more than replacing the damaged Iago and what not. June 1st is a long ways off yet, thats a pretty good chunk of time to at least bring back the original show in some form or another.
I dont know the credibility of the two who posted those comments but Im feeling good about it. I just think its something more than replacing the damaged Iago and what not. June 1st is a long ways off yet, thats a pretty good chunk of time to at least bring back the original show in some form or another.
T-1MILLION
New Member
As others have said the date for the fire damage and post fire damage from sprinkler systems etc. was initially June. Then someone came out and said as early as March and everyone jumped onto that since it was so much sooner. So now it is back to June. Still sounds like just fixing and refurbishment rather than changing anything in the show's programing.
Believe me. I wish and hope they are changing it to something non movie related and something akin to the original enchantment but as I have said before I am not getting any kind of strong hopes up until that Under New Management sign outside the attraction disappears.
Believe me. I wish and hope they are changing it to something non movie related and something akin to the original enchantment but as I have said before I am not getting any kind of strong hopes up until that Under New Management sign outside the attraction disappears.
aladdin2007
Well-Known Member
I hate to call you out Magicot, but any source or general idea you can provide for stating that? :wave:
prberk
Well-Known Member
I agree.
But I don't understand why they don't just go back to the original. I had the opportunity to see it at Disneyland last year, and it stood up well -- much better than the clearly dated Iago lyrics and banter. The kids who were born when his cartoon came out (and when this would have made sense) are GRADUATING now! So, especially the references to how they have been doing the same show since 1964 are outdated and nonsensical.
The concept of the original show, of course, is still universal and timeless. It should be changed back, especially in time for WDW's 40th anniversary.
Paul
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Give me about 25 hours, and I could yank those unwanted birds out -- no problem. I would have the place redecorated to cover up that they were even there.
Reprogramming would take what, 1-2 days. The centerpiece would be the main trouble, but a 3 minute shortened DL version wouldn't be that bad either.
The fact that they can't get ANY kind of improvement together over a 4 month period is pathetic. It really is.
Reprogramming would take what, 1-2 days. The centerpiece would be the main trouble, but a 3 minute shortened DL version wouldn't be that bad either.
The fact that they can't get ANY kind of improvement together over a 4 month period is pathetic. It really is.
Neverland
Active Member
I don't think the character Iago is dated; Aladdin has held up really well and continues to be a popular movie. Little Mermaid came out three years before it and is only just now getting an attraction.
This is what's dated:
Can you bad birds sing
Hip-hop or rap?
Can ya rock and roll?
Well, listen here.
It's a whole new world, so ya better get hip,
Or your audience will disappear.
(-shudder-)
Also, it's rather ironic, that line about 'getting hip or your audience will disappear'... It turned out rather the opposite. :lookaroun
Magicot
Member
No problem. I will say that my source is credible. And that things are looking really good right now. Just wait for June (at the earliest).
aladdin2007
Well-Known Member
Okay will do, thanks. I like the sound of that. :sohappy:
puntagordabob
Well-Known Member
Tomorrow I will be hand delivering a letter to Guest Relations at MK, and to the people in charge at Adventureland.
I have pasted it below....
Perhaps no one will care what I write.... then again maybe someone will care.... BUT at least I am writing how I feel in a manner that is diplomatic, respectful, and not only gives what I think, but also ideas on how it can be implemented. Of course Disney is 30000000000000 times smarter than myself, so they have likely thought of these ideas and many better ones.
Paste-------->
Hello,
My name is Robert “Bob” lastname of Punta Gorda, Florida, and I have been someone who has loved Walt Disney World’s “Enchanted Tiki Room” since the very beginning… I remember the days when it was “The Tropical Serenade”, “The Enchanted Tiki Birds”, etc…. in fact my very earliest memory of being at a Disney park was at the MK’s Tiki Room in the winter 71/summer 72. When my Mom would say we were going to Disney World the first thing I she said that I screamed was not Mickey Mouse, Pirates, or any of that but rather was “Tiki Birds!” Jose and his flock are my favorite Disney characters, and The Tiki Room was and always will be my favorite attraction. Sadly though Under New Management was loved by me NOT SO MUCH! I was always Jose’s show running “Under Walt’s Management” and seeing Iago or any other character running the show was really not magical to me…
Recently The Enchanted Tiki Room suffered an electrical fire which from rumors circulating on the internet resulted in damaging the Iago1 AA beyond repair…. it was also reported that the fire suppression system damaged even more of the Tiki Room. The result was the complete closure of the Tiki Room until (supposedly) June 1st which is some months away as of today. While it is a sad to have such a terrible event like this happen, I wonder if this could be looked at as an “Opportunity” for the Tiki Room to return to the original show (The Disneyland Resort’s current shortened show version which has the Offenbach number removed and some other small changes would be a great candidate!). Under New Management is nearly thirteen years old, so the original version would be essentially “New” to quite a percentage of the Guests visiting Walt Disney World, while those of us who love the show where we can “All Sing like the Birdies Sing” will be happy too.
I also understand the idea of economics and especially so during these uncertain economic times, but I believe money spent bringing the original show back would be money well spent. Spending more money to create a new Iago AA in the opinion many that I interact with is the equivalent of putting water in a leaky bucket. In other words: It functions, but it is not doing so very well.
The Disney I know and love are Magical at promotion, and this could be a great opportunity to have a great tie in to both “Let the Memories Begin” and to the 40th Anniversary of Walt Disney World. The Enchanted Tiki Room is definitely an attraction where Grandparents-Parents-Children-Grandchildren could all be having Magical Memories.
In conclusion, while this situation was forced upon you by an action outside your control, this situation could be turned into a golden opportunity for the Walt Disney World Resort!
Happy 40th Birthday! May there be an Infinite number of Future ones!
Sincerely, Robert “Bob” lastname
I have pasted it below....
Perhaps no one will care what I write.... then again maybe someone will care.... BUT at least I am writing how I feel in a manner that is diplomatic, respectful, and not only gives what I think, but also ideas on how it can be implemented. Of course Disney is 30000000000000 times smarter than myself, so they have likely thought of these ideas and many better ones.
Paste-------->
Hello,
My name is Robert “Bob” lastname of Punta Gorda, Florida, and I have been someone who has loved Walt Disney World’s “Enchanted Tiki Room” since the very beginning… I remember the days when it was “The Tropical Serenade”, “The Enchanted Tiki Birds”, etc…. in fact my very earliest memory of being at a Disney park was at the MK’s Tiki Room in the winter 71/summer 72. When my Mom would say we were going to Disney World the first thing I she said that I screamed was not Mickey Mouse, Pirates, or any of that but rather was “Tiki Birds!” Jose and his flock are my favorite Disney characters, and The Tiki Room was and always will be my favorite attraction. Sadly though Under New Management was loved by me NOT SO MUCH! I was always Jose’s show running “Under Walt’s Management” and seeing Iago or any other character running the show was really not magical to me…
Recently The Enchanted Tiki Room suffered an electrical fire which from rumors circulating on the internet resulted in damaging the Iago1 AA beyond repair…. it was also reported that the fire suppression system damaged even more of the Tiki Room. The result was the complete closure of the Tiki Room until (supposedly) June 1st which is some months away as of today. While it is a sad to have such a terrible event like this happen, I wonder if this could be looked at as an “Opportunity” for the Tiki Room to return to the original show (The Disneyland Resort’s current shortened show version which has the Offenbach number removed and some other small changes would be a great candidate!). Under New Management is nearly thirteen years old, so the original version would be essentially “New” to quite a percentage of the Guests visiting Walt Disney World, while those of us who love the show where we can “All Sing like the Birdies Sing” will be happy too.
I also understand the idea of economics and especially so during these uncertain economic times, but I believe money spent bringing the original show back would be money well spent. Spending more money to create a new Iago AA in the opinion many that I interact with is the equivalent of putting water in a leaky bucket. In other words: It functions, but it is not doing so very well.
The Disney I know and love are Magical at promotion, and this could be a great opportunity to have a great tie in to both “Let the Memories Begin” and to the 40th Anniversary of Walt Disney World. The Enchanted Tiki Room is definitely an attraction where Grandparents-Parents-Children-Grandchildren could all be having Magical Memories.
In conclusion, while this situation was forced upon you by an action outside your control, this situation could be turned into a golden opportunity for the Walt Disney World Resort!
Happy 40th Birthday! May there be an Infinite number of Future ones!
Sincerely, Robert “Bob” lastname
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Oh, and The Mighty Ducks are not a hockey team any more. Nor are they owned by Disney.
thelookingglass
Well-Known Member
it wouldn't hurt to also send it to wdw.guest.communications@disney.com
Neverland
Active Member
But these guys are.
I barely remember this show, but it was definitely on TV in '98 (when UNM opened). Even so, if these are the Mighty Ducks they're referring to, it's still horribly outdated, because the show only had one season in fall 1996. Nobody even knows this show existed. It was about... Hockey playing alien ducks who are also superheroes or something. You can see why it didn't last long.
Expo_Seeker40
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Magicot's source also bring up something I've heard from bluebirds on my shoulder...when the Tiki room opens in June or maybe even July....the magic memories and you and memories campaign should be quieting down by august...from what I've heard...come september there will be something....besides merchandise and D23 to recognize WDW's 40th...think more like the one day epcot 25th anniversary party, but slightly larger. They basically want to end 2011 on a money milking high note...thus the memories...will evolve in the fall to a 40 years of memory thing....so the tiki room going back to it's original show would serve as a prelude to the short 40th campaign starting at the end of the summer.
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
If they want to milk money out of it, put together some great Merch like DL did for their Tiki Room 40th. The stuff was awesome. Although I would NEVER want to see stuff from WDW, DL ONLY, but if they can capture that same magic...
Expo_Seeker40
Well-Known Member
true, and did great pieces for them. I don't how this made me think of this, but Jimbo, did you see recent pictures of the memories campaign at Disneyland? In the plaza between the two parks they have a smalllllllll scaled version of the old disneyland sign and the letters rotate to reveal photos on the cubes. Kind of cool. :wave:
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
Too sweet. Googling now! John Stamos is laughing at it and saying "I got the big one."