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21stamps

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This is going to be long.. but thought I would post this article. It’s from last Fall.. I was just lead to it from another World Cup article.. but it’s an interesting read. I can say first hand that I understand what they’re saying (especially the bold).
I hope the best for youth soccer.. and I do think it’s incredibly disappointing that the USA will not be at the World Cup this year.
I’d actually blame the loss on a lot more than Youth Development, although it’s nice to see that we recognize there’s a problem.

In 2007, the U.S. instituted the Development Academy system, which essentially systematized the frequency of training and gameplay among 64 clubs across the country and has since expanded to over 150 clubs. MLS clubs all have academy teams, and if a player makes the team, all of his expenses are typically paid for. But for most of the non-MLS-affiliated clubs, players have to, as the jibe goes, “pay to play.” That tuition costs around $2,500 a year.

“Parents in the U.S. are routinely spending up to 50 to 100 times what parents in Europe spend on signing their kids up for competitive soccer,” Anderson said.

So if a player doesn’t live near an MLS academy, he only has access to the best training the country can offer if he can afford it. Elsewhere in the world, talent development is, as the Wall Street Journal put it, looked at as a “civic responsibility and an investment, because one of them just might turn out to be the next Lionel Messi.”
“Decisions in this country are made about the dollar instead of about the game,” Twellman said. “And I think when that changes, then you'll see incremental progress. But until that changes—and if every decision in our country is made about the dollar and not the game—then you’re in trouble.”


Then there’s the size issue: America is huge. European countries have training and coaching centers across the entire nation to make sure no talent falls through the cracks, but doing the same in the U.S. is a gargantuan task. We can’t systematize development in the same way a tiny country like Iceland has. (So, please stop using them as a point of comparison to America’s failings.)

“The U.S. Soccer Development Academy system has been an important step forward, but there are still large swathes of the country where the player pathway up the pyramid is virtually nonexistent unless parents want to go to extraordinary lengths and expenses,” Anderson said. “So you could and probably should easily double the number of USDA teams and introduce additional feeders.”

There’s no chicken or egg here: You can’t develop players without the proper coaching.
“Coaching development is the key to U.S. soccer’s long-term success,” Anderson said. “We are still playing catch-up when it comes to the number of adults interested in coaching who also played the game at a reasonable level.”
While the U.S. Federation offers varying levels of coaching degrees, they’re expensive, and the results have been scattershot at best. The Development Academy doesn’t start until under-12, so before then, many kids have to hope they get proper guidance from the right well-meaning volunteer parent. After that, the focus of coaches is too often on winning games against other American teams plagued by the same issues, rather than expanding the tactical and technical development of their players—results be damned.
“I see it at the national team when you are having conversations with a lot of these players,” Twellman said. “When these new players come in, the ones that are developed within the American system in some form or another, the tactical understanding of the game in multiple positions is lacking compared to the rest of the world.”


As always seems to be the case with American soccer, it’s capitalism’s fault.
“U.S. coaches continue to be heavy on athleticism and effort and weaker on tactical and technical sophistication,” Anderson said. “Size and speed are powerful when you’re interested in winning games at the youth level. When you have for-profit clubs where winning trophies is important for the business model to attract paying customers, technical and tactical ability are less important.”


It’s not easy to unwind all of the knotty for-profit structures that prop up the game in America. Hiring the right people is only the beginning, but there’s way more work to be done after that. Could missing the World Cup lead to some wide-scale introspection?
“I believe that the moment is there,” Twellman said. “I'm not completely convinced that the United States will maximize the moment. In my gut, I hope and think we do, but in my brain, part of me thinks that people are still too reluctant to admit and commit to change.”
 
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FutureCEO

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Me too!

I’m recording so many games.. Portugal and Spain is what my kiddo is looking forward to the most. I’ll have to avoid the internet until we get home.

Have you downloaded the app?
I still need to go buy a frame for our bracket poster, I should probably do that during lunch today.

Haven't really looked for an app. My phone doesn't really get internet inside my building at work.
 

FutureCEO

Well-Known Member
This is going to be long.. but thought I would post this article. It’s from last Fall.. I was just lead to it from another World Cup article.. but it’s an interesting read. I can say first hand that I understand what they’re saying (especially the bold).
I hope the best for youth soccer.. and I do think it’s incredibly disappointing that the USA will not be at the World Cup this year.
I’d actually blame the loss on a lot more than Youth Development, although it’s nice to see that we recognize there’s a problem.

In 2007, the U.S. instituted the Development Academy system, which essentially systematized the frequency of training and gameplay among 64 clubs across the country and has since expanded to over 150 clubs. MLS clubs all have academy teams, and if a player makes the team, all of his expenses are typically paid for. But for most of the non-MLS-affiliated clubs, players have to, as the jibe goes, “pay to play.” That tuition costs around $2,500 a year.

“Parents in the U.S. are routinely spending up to 50 to 100 times what parents in Europe spend on signing their kids up for competitive soccer,” Anderson said.

So if a player doesn’t live near an MLS academy, he only has access to the best training the country can offer if he can afford it. Elsewhere in the world, talent development is, as the Wall Street Journal put it, looked at as a “civic responsibility and an investment, because one of them just might turn out to be the next Lionel Messi.”
“Decisions in this country are made about the dollar instead of about the game,” Twellman said. “And I think when that changes, then you'll see incremental progress. But until that changes—and if every decision in our country is made about the dollar and not the game—then you’re in trouble.”


Then there’s the size issue: America is huge. European countries have training and coaching centers across the entire nation to make sure no talent falls through the cracks, but doing the same in the U.S. is a gargantuan task. We can’t systematize development in the same way a tiny country like Iceland has. (So, please stop using them as a point of comparison to America’s failings.)

“The U.S. Soccer Development Academy system has been an important step forward, but there are still large swathes of the country where the player pathway up the pyramid is virtually nonexistent unless parents want to go to extraordinary lengths and expenses,” Anderson said. “So you could and probably should easily double the number of USDA teams and introduce additional feeders.”

There’s no chicken or egg here: You can’t develop players without the proper coaching.
“Coaching development is the key to U.S. soccer’s long-term success,” Anderson said. “We are still playing catch-up when it comes to the number of adults interested in coaching who also played the game at a reasonable level.”
While the U.S. Federation offers varying levels of coaching degrees, they’re expensive, and the results have been scattershot at best. The Development Academy doesn’t start until under-12, so before then, many kids have to hope they get proper guidance from the right well-meaning volunteer parent. After that, the focus of coaches is too often on winning games against other American teams plagued by the same issues, rather than expanding the tactical and technical development of their players—results be damned.
“I see it at the national team when you are having conversations with a lot of these players,” Twellman said. “When these new players come in, the ones that are developed within the American system in some form or another, the tactical understanding of the game in multiple positions is lacking compared to the rest of the world.”


As always seems to be the case with American soccer, it’s capitalism’s fault.
“U.S. coaches continue to be heavy on athleticism and effort and weaker on tactical and technical sophistication,” Anderson said. “Size and speed are powerful when you’re interested in winning games at the youth level. When you have for-profit clubs where winning trophies is important for the business model to attract paying customers, technical and tactical ability are less important.”


It’s not easy to unwind all of the knotty for-profit structures that prop up the game in America. Hiring the right people is only the beginning, but there’s way more work to be done after that. Could missing the World Cup lead to some wide-scale introspection?
“I believe that the moment is there,” Twellman said. “I'm not completely convinced that the United States will maximize the moment. In my gut, I hope and think we do, but in my brain, part of me thinks that people are still too reluctant to admit and commit to change.”


The US will never win a World Cup.
 

StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
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At the dealership now so they can get the trade in value on my old car.

I was looking for my new car, and my sales guy told me he stuffed it in the back so no one else could drive it before I got it. And he did this when I left Saturday.

Kinda wanted to visit it before I get it tomorrow...:hilarious: But good to know he's guarding it.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
I volunteered at our Church festival recently.. T was my helper..at least for a little bit at a time, he’d run around with his friends, come back to spin the money wheel a few times, then head back out. So much fun!

We’re Catholic, so gambling dominates the festival alongside the rides ;)

Even with the rain the festival still did very well.. and Our booth did great! One 10 year old placed a $5 on the 20 spot.. only one 20 on the wheel.. hit it on his first spin- $100 to him!. It was pretty neat. The kid was so excited.
T won $25 on roulette and $17 on Bars and Bells.. he saved the $25 but used the $17 to buy more tickets, which didn’t end up being winners.lol
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That looks like fun. It's interesting how laws vary from state to state on this type of gaming (even for fun). I recall some years ago that a local church wanted to have some of these types of games for a Vegas night--which would be a fund-raiser for the church. Cops told them in no uncertain terms that they could not give cash for winners. In MA, it's legal to give a PRIZE (such as a TV for example), but no money. (Think it has something to do with the tax code.)
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
Hi, I'm just dropping in. I'm SO tired. We haven't gotten financing for a taxi to pick DS up from school yet (we're working on it), so I have to walk him home every day for now and it's an hour and a half walk. So I'm working during the day, picking him up, walking him home, rushing to the grocery store, cooking dinner...it's exhausting. Last night I had choir and couldn't skip because we have a performance Friday and because it was our current director's last rehearsal with us. The new one starts Monday. And work is expecting to get really busy as they are launching commercials on TV and Radio starting this weekend. So they've scheduled me to work every single day and they are also asking people to work weekends.
Needless to say, my free time at the moment is limited, if not non-existent.
Hope you all are doing well!

Oh my goodness, that's one heck of an exhausting schedule. Hugs to you.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
That looks like fun. It's interesting how laws vary from state to state on this type of gaming (even for fun). I recall some years ago that a local church wanted to have some of these types of games for a Vegas night--which would be a fund-raiser for the church. Cops told them in no uncertain terms that they could not give cash for winners. In MA, it's legal to give a PRIZE (such as a TV for example), but no money. (Think it has something to do with the tax code.)

Oh wow! That would be tough to raise money without it. We have Texas Hold ‘Em tourneys, a black tie Casino Night..and raffle tickets at almost all events.
At the festival we had a really neat “Bid and Buy” booth.. we received donations from everywhere such as local restaurants/sporting events/spas/services to parishioners donating their own vacation condos or homes to be raffled for a week.. that booth is a huge money maker for us. Usually a brewery will donate beer on tap, which helps a lot with fund raising as well...the cash gambling brings in the most besides that though. The rides take such a large percentage of ride ticket sales that they’re just there for the kids and to draw people to visit.
I’m glad there isn’t a law like your’s here! Every year we do a Grand Raffle Drawing at the end of the festival with a substantial monetary prize. Tickets are sold months in advance for this, but you can buy up to 15 minutes before the raffle. I’ve never won :(. Someday maybe, right? ;)

It’s a fun 3 day weekend with good live music. This was the first year that I allowed T to run around by himself.. he absolutely loved it.. I think he felt “grown up”, as did all of his friends. It’s probably the only place where I would allow him to do that... for a moment it felt like the world was the same as it was during my own childhood.
 
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21stamps

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The US will never win a World Cup.

We should at least BE THERE. It’s humiliating that we’re not.

Youth soccer is growing, and doing a lot of great things.. even under the ‘pay to play’ and it’s flaws... so hopefully we will see more homegrown talent in the coming years.

At the dealership now so they can get the trade in value on my old car.

I was looking for my new car, and my sales guy told me he stuffed it in the back so no one else could drive it before I got it. And he did this when I left Saturday.

Kinda wanted to visit it before I get it tomorrow...:hilarious: But good to know he's guarding it.

Holy cow they are dragggggiiiinnnggg this thing out. Tell them you want a $50 gas card for all of your trips there. ;)
 
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MySmallWorldof4

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Hi, I'm just dropping in. I'm SO tired. We haven't gotten financing for a taxi to pick DS up from school yet (we're working on it), so I have to walk him home every day for now and it's an hour and a half walk. So I'm working during the day, picking him up, walking him home, rushing to the grocery store, cooking dinner...it's exhausting. Last night I had choir and couldn't skip because we have a performance Friday and because it was our current director's last rehearsal with us. The new one starts Monday. And work is expecting to get really busy as they are launching commercials on TV and Radio starting this weekend. So they've scheduled me to work every single day and they are also asking people to work weekends.
Needless to say, my free time at the moment is limited, if not non-existent.
Hope you all are doing well!
Sympathy like. The school cannot give you any assistance. This fid happen on school property and they should have some liability. Don’t get me started on the other kid’s family obligation.
 

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