The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

MinnieM123

Premium Member
@MinnieM123 How are things up there?
So far, o.k. Just waiting to see what the tail end of this mess will bring. Weather guy mentioned that we might get one heck of a band of thunderstorms later today/this evening that could also create havoc. Again, the issue up in my area is the ton of rain we've had prior to when all this started, yesterday. People are still concerned about power going out.
 

Figgy1

Premium Member
So far, o.k. Just waiting to see what the tail end of this mess will bring. Weather guy mentioned that we might get one heck of a band of thunderstorms later today/this evening that could also create havoc. Again, the issue up in my area is the ton of rain we've had prior to when all this started, yesterday. People are still concerned about power going out.
Stay safe, dry and I hope you don't have any power issues
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Several years ago, I hadn't put in for any vacations...we weren't planning to go anywhere, and I only get paid for hours I work, so it didn't make sense to take time off for no reason. What I DID ask for was one 1/2 day around Christmas. I only worked 1/2 day on Wednesdays, and my husband was off from his job that whole week, so I put in early in the year for that 1/2 day and it was approved. (This was before they changed scheduling and I had to put in availability each week) As we approached the holiday season, it was getting really busy at work and we started getting behind. We didn't have enough people and they couldn't seem to hire enough to handle all the work. So they put a blanket ban on time off at Christmas not already approved. I happened to be the only person who had put in for time off early in the year, so I was the only one who had time off around Christmas, and it was literally 4 hours off. I hadn't taken a single day of vacation the whole year...not one, and this coworker starts telling me that it's not fair that I'm the only one who gets time off and asking what my plans were, were we going somewhere, etc. And when I said no, we weren't going anywhere, she told me I should give up that half day off because it wasn't fair for me to get to sit at home while they all had to work and several people had asked for time off and were told they couldn't have it and if it were her, she'd think of someone besides herself and come in to do her part to help the company. On and on, giving me a guilt trip about taking 4 hours off in a whole year. Meanwhile SHE had taken 2 weeks off in the Summer, another week in October, and I think a week or so in May as well. I just asked her...how many weeks of vacation did YOU take this year, while -I- was here working and doing my part to help the company? I didn't take any other vacation and I think taking 1/2 a day for myself is less selfish than several weeks. I won't be giving it up. She kept at me, trying to get me to cave, but I didn't.

People NEED time off sometimes. And we all take turns. Do you begrudge your coworkers a vacation now and then? Are you thinking daggers at them because they have the audacity to be on vacation when you aren't? Of course not, because you are a good person and know that they've earned that time off, just like you have when you take it. I think we get caught up in feeling bad because we're kind of conditioned to feel bad if others are working and we aren't. And if you're actually at work, then that's very valid. But we forget that it's ok to take that time off....those other people take time off, too. It might not be at the same time as we do, but they all get their moment, so there's no need to feel bad for taking yours. I don't think most of my coworkers were bothered by my taking that time off...I was smart and put in for it in like March....they had every opportunity to do the same, but didn't. And they ALL got vacations throughout the year that I didn't take. Most of them understood this and thought I was smart for arranging it early and wished they'd had that foresight. Only the one gal was nasty about it and it was pure jealousy because she was one who had asked for time off and couldn't have it, even though she had already taken several weeks of vacation. Some people are just terrible people and can't stand it when someone has something they don't.
Some who take long vacations are in for a big surprise. One salaried team member took a month off to go to Europe with his elderly parents. His team functioned and ran without him and was supervised by his boss. When he came back from his month long vacation he was to go to HR and he was promptly laid off/ position eliminated. He did not see that coming. He could not say goodbye. Security escorted him out of the building.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
I think "well known member" is the go to item under the name. It said it was this year, but I do vaguely recall the name. I do not remember ever insulting him/her but heck I have a hard time remembering yesterday. I usually make it a point that I don't start those things unless I have been attacked first. If we had an altercation at some point I honestly do not remember what it was about. I wish to thank everyone that came to my defense, it is appreciated! I thought it was just a joke until he/she wished me dead. Then it got very serious.
I doubt you had an altercation. You write a lot of tongue in cheek posts and most of us here who know you know that it's in a joking manner and not meant to be taken seriously. Someone who reads such a post and isn't part of this group might not realize it was not serious and they might take offense. But to take it so far as to wish death on someone, that's beyond what you'd expect even if you HAD had an altercation somewhere along the lines, which since you only vaguely recall the name, it couldn't have been a huge ongoing thing. Obviously someone was not having a good day. Let's hope they look back on their sentiments with remorse. At least they can't make such comments anymore here.
I've had altercations with people here before, some that are no longer members here, and I'm glad they are gone, but I would never have wished death on them. I don't think such things are normal...you can't be completely healthy if you are publicly stating you hope someone else dies. It's not you....they obviously have some problems.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
This is generally something that changes once you go from working hourly to salaried. Once you're salaried, you're expected to get your work done, and sometimes that means you do things like check email on a weekend because you have a sale that needs to go through or work until 6 when you intended to be off at 5. The second one happens to me A LOT; I'll be like, oh I can leave, and then I get an order for $100k that has to get out the door, and I'm like, whelp, can't leave yet.

It's also something where you manage boundaries. For instance, my boss knows I don't work on weekends. The only people who have my cell phone number are my boss, my teammate, HR, and another coworker who I'm friends with; I'm not giving it out willy nilly. I have notifications for meetings turned on on my phone in case I have a brain fart, but my phone doesn't notify me about work emails; I have to go into the app and check email.

Also, once you're salaried, you care a lot more about your success and the success of the company. When you're working an hourly job, you just want your paycheck. When it's your career, you want to do well and you want your company to do well. It makes a difference.
It also depends on your job, your boss, and your coworkers. I care about the people I work with, and when I'm there, I want to do my part. I can't stand it when I'm almost running to get the orders in my station done and look over to the next station to see 2 people standing there goofing off. I won't be one of those people. I'm paid to do a job...if I'm not doing my job, someone else has to work harder, and that's not ok with me. But some people have no integrity...they don't care if they are slacking. Let someone else do the work. And if your boss is oblivious to what's going on, or is a jerk to you, it's hard to feel any company loyalty. When I was busting my rear and doing the jobs no one else wanted to do and then got a bad review because my boss said I was slow and it was probably because I'm fat, it didn't make me want to do him any favors. I was slow because I was picking up the slack for other people and that takes time. So when he needed people to work extra hours because it was busy, I didn't do it. Having people actually APPRECIATE what you do is what makes the difference. I don't think it's necessarily how you are paid, but how you are treated and whether you feel valued. Often hourly employees are treated as though they are expendable. If I don't have you, there are 10 other people I can hire to replace you, so who cares. When they don't realize that replacing you wouldn't be in their best interest, it's hard to feel any loyalty to them. Why go above and beyond for someone who doesn't even see that you are doing that? And for someone who even treats you as though you aren't doing enough? You are lucky to have a boss who recognizes your work and rewards you for it.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
This is generally something that changes once you go from working hourly to salaried. Once you're salaried, you're expected to get your work done, and sometimes that means you do things like check email on a weekend because you have a sale that needs to go through or work until 6 when you intended to be off at 5. The second one happens to me A LOT; I'll be like, oh I can leave, and then I get an order for $100k that has to get out the door, and I'm like, whelp, can't leave yet.

It's also something where you manage boundaries. For instance, my boss knows I don't work on weekends. The only people who have my cell phone number are my boss, my teammate, HR, and another coworker who I'm friends with; I'm not giving it out willy nilly. I have notifications for meetings turned on on my phone in case I have a brain fart, but my phone doesn't notify me about work emails; I have to go into the app and check email.

Also, once you're salaried, you care a lot more about your success and the success of the company. When you're working an hourly job, you just want your paycheck. When it's your career, you want to do well and you want your company to do well. It makes a difference.
Salaried is not for everyone that is for sure. My family member had to go on business to CA for a few days, catch the red eye from CA to NYC while working on the plane and trying to sleep afterwards, then arrive in NYC at 7am then straight to the office for group presentations.
 

Songbird76

Well-Known Member
Some who take long vacations are in for a big surprise. One salaried team member took a month off to go to Europe with his elderly parents. His team functioned and ran without him and was supervised by his boss. When he came back from his month long vacation he was to go to HR and he was promptly laid off/ position eliminated. He did not see that coming. He could not say goodbye. Security escorted him out of the building.
They can't really do that here. You can't just get rid of someone for no reason. You have to give them warnings and a chance to improve if they aren't doing a good job, and to just fire someone, it would be a breech of contract. I had a TERRIBLE evaluation once when we had gotten a new manager. He didn't know anyone and it was time for evals. The person who knew everyone was on medical leave. So he used the scanner times to evaluate everyone. My times were slower than other peoples, not because I wasn't doing as much, but because I was doing the things that no one else took the time to do. If you empty a tray, you're supposed to pull it out and stack it on an endcap so another full one can be put in its place. I would go pull out all the empties that other people left. And we had 2 stories, and carts had to be walked upstairs, then taken downstairs to complete. No one wanted to be the one to take all those carts and load them into the elevator. Only 6 carts fit, so they would back up because no one else was doing that. So I'd make 3 trips with carts up and down. And upstairs walking takes longer because it's more spread out and it was all seasonal stuff that isn't ordered as often, so you take longer to make a whole round but grab fewer items in that time. The new supervisor didn't know me from Adam and had no clue that I was actually doing MORE than other people. He gave me a poor evaluation and told me he wasn't going to give me hours, etc. He told me I was too fat. I went to HR, and he had to call an apologize and I refused to sign the eval. He couldn't get rid of me because no one had ever come to me and told me my times were slow or asked me why. I was given no opportunity to explain or to improve. And I was only evaluated on one aspect of the job, not the job as a whole. In the end, we did some test runs and discovered that upstairs is slower than downstairs and I was working exclusively upstairs....when I worked downstairs my times were faster than average. So I was able to prove that he was full of it. But there are protections in place for just that reason. They have to have documentation that you have poor performance, that you've been given the chance to improve, and that you are no better.
 

MinnieM123

Premium Member
Some who take long vacations are in for a big surprise. One salaried team member took a month off to go to Europe with his elderly parents. His team functioned and ran without him and was supervised by his boss. When he came back from his month long vacation he was to go to HR and he was promptly laid off/ position eliminated. He did not see that coming. He could not say goodbye. Security escorted him out of the building.
That's sad, and there are some instances of this happening. With those specific exceptions aside, vacation can help people recharge and maintain their sanity. They often return to work refreshed, and are more valuable to the company. Smart executives realize that.

Executives that I've worked for, will call in to the office a few times during vacation (usually letting people know ahead of time, so that peeps can prepare their questions, etc., for any situations that may have arisen). That's usually enough and people respect that. (Executives also make it clear that if a major crisis happened, the employees could call them for that, regardless.)
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Salaried is not for everyone that is for sure. My family member had to go on business to CA for a few days, catch the red eye from CA to NYC while working on the plane and trying to sleep afterwards, then arrive in NYC at 7am then straight to the office for group presentations.
There are many that are hired, usually salaried people that are told that they are on call 24/7. It isn't usually a secret. I managed a publishing and printing company that operated 24/6 (Sundays off) for 12 years and I just accepted that I could be called anytime day or night, if a problem happened. There is no worse feeling then having the phone ring at 3am from someone in a company that has high speed dangerous equipment running.
 

MySmallWorldof4

Well-Known Member
And it is back to work for me. This summer vacation was fantastic.
Have a great day! Today is my oldest's first day back at college. She gets to drive in now with a childhood friend who is now going to the same school. Considering she didn't get to make friends last year since most classes but labs were online, I am so glad she has a friend to go in with. They already made plans for lunch with 2 other young people that dd's friend knows who are starting also. So she gets to hang out and make some new friends. I am so glad about that. She should be done by 3:15.
 

ajrwdwgirl

Premium Member
Have a great day! Today is my oldest's first day back at college. She gets to drive in now with a childhood friend who is now going to the same school. Considering she didn't get to make friends last year since most classes but labs were online, I am so glad she has a friend to go in with. They already made plans for lunch with 2 other young people that dd's friend knows who are starting also. So she gets to hang out and make some new friends. I am so glad about that. She should be done by 3:15.

I hope she has a good school year and can interact more with people this year.
 

Figgy1

Premium Member
That's sad, and there are some instances of this happening. With those specific exceptions aside, vacation can help people recharge and maintain their sanity. They often return to work refreshed, and are more valuable to the company. Smart executives realize that.

Executives that I've worked for, will call in to the office a few times during vacation (usually letting people know ahead of time, so that peeps can prepare their questions, etc., for any situations that may have arisen). That's usually enough and people respect that. (Executives also make it clear that if a major crisis happened, the employees could call them for that, regardless.)
DH and I both got calls on the same day once. He was rather ticked his because his was in Muppets(I'm not upset we got to see it twice) at least mine was during LMA
 

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