The Boat House construction at Disney Springs The Landing

[GoofGoof]

saw a link today showing the prices of food at boathouse, and WOW.. OUTRAGEOUS!!!

I mean rainforest and dino aren't anywhere close to cheap, but seemed like boathouse was way more.

saw people commenting about $23 for a SIDE of asparagous, a fruit cup is $10, french fries as a SIDE was like $7

This isn't the article i saw earlier, but thought some might wanna read

Disney World's New Restaurant, The Boathouse, Will Serve a $115 Steak

There will also be $17 sides of mac and cheese and $24 crab cakes

definitely not a place to take the kids

found the original article i saw this morning
First Look! Menus and Food Photos for The Boathouse Restaurant Opening Soon at Disney World

with these crazy prices i kinda hope it goes out of business just as fast as it opens, just because its new and shinny doesn't mean it has to be outrageous.

Its in line with what you would expect from a good steakhouse. Having been to Gibson's in Chicago several times the food is really, really good, but also insanely expensive. They definitely aren't going for a Rainforest/T-Rex type experience. I think thats probably a good thing since they already have Rain Forest and T-Rex which have similar menus. No need for a 3rd version of the same thing.

As others have pointed out these new restaurants do not appear to be tailored specifically to your typical WDW tourist family. I doubt they will be taking the DDP for that $115 steak. It remains to be seen if the market materializes for these high end places. I think the convention and business traveler demographic will eat it up. My times eating at Gibson's were on work trips...where I wasn't paying.

 

[Cesar R M]

That's not really far off from the other steakhouses on property. Still very high, but it's a $115 tomahawk steak for two.

The filet Mignon is 49, isnt that on par with other high end steakhouses?

 

[GoofGoof]

The filet Mignon is 49, isnt that on par with other high end steakhouses?

Yep. It's pretty much in line. Here's the menu from Gibson's. They are the company that is going to be running the Boathouse restaurant.

http://www.gibsonssteakhouse.com/dinner-menu-pages-332.php

 

[xdan0920]

Can't afford it, then don't go. You can't afford the Grand Flo so you don't stay there. Same principle.

 

[71jason]

Can't afford it, then don't go. You can't afford the Grand Flo so you don't stay there. Same principle.

Can afford it, why not go someplace other than Disney Springs? Won't get hit by strollers at Pointe Orlando.

 

[TalkingHead]

Can afford it, why not go someplace other than Disney Springs? Won't get hit by strollers at Pointe Orlando.

Like Shula's at the Dolphin or maybe Charley's (haven't been to the one on I-Drive, but the old one used to be a treat).

 

[flynnibus]

Can't afford it, then don't go. You can't afford the Grand Flo so you don't stay there. Same principle.

Because a discussion about Disney should be more than what your PERSONAL tolerances would be.. if we are talking about Disney as a product, a business, an icon.

 

[CDavid]

Can't afford it, then don't go. You can't afford the Grand Flo so you don't stay there. Same principle.

An individuals ability to afford the Grand Floridian has absolutely no bearing on whether the hotel is overpriced, reasonable, or rather a good value. The Boat House works the same way; The 'value' is the same regardless if you have saved up for a year to afford a special meal, or if you can afford to eat there every day.

 

[mm121]

Can't afford it, then don't go. You can't afford the Grand Flo so you don't stay there. Same principle.

wow this conversation got off track

the question is though, when did it become that wdw is only for the rich, that is entirely opposite walt's vision.

and i never said i expected somewhere to be mcdonalds prices or something, just seemed like this place wasn't in tune with the other restaurants of similar themeing at downtown disney.

like a meal at rainforest, dino, planet hollywood is slightly higher than youd pay elsewhere but your payingfun for the experience and it being different.

its just too bad that the boathouse seems to think its "themeing" can justify meal prices that could amount to double these other places.

when the theming suggests fun family time, fun day out on the water vibes

not wear a suit spend a million dollars steakhouse.

Not really. If I eat at $100+ restaurants all the time it doesn't phase me to spend the same somewhere else. If I save up to splurge on a rare expensive meal, my expectations are greater. Value is never the same for someone who can or cant afford something.

If I'm a millionaire, I wouldn't consider the all star a good value.

@flynnibus is right- it's personal, but that is what @xdan0920 is saying. If you won't or can't afford a $100 steak- don't even read about it because you aren't A) the demographic they are going for or B) someone that would ever go there.
Basically- if you can't afford it, your opinion doesn't matter to anyone.

Disclaimer: not saying You can or can't afford it, just speaking in generalities.

why can't someone read about a place? thats the most stupid logic ever

if no one ever dreamed about things, then people wouldn't look at travel websites, technology websites, and on and on

 

[mm121]

Never did I say people shouldn't read or dream about a place. I said their opinions don't matter. If I can afford a $100- why would I listen to the opinion of someone who can't afford or has never had a $100 steak. They simply don't know. If I'm a company selling a $100 steak. Why would I listen to someone who's most expensive meal ever was outback.
Nothing wrong with those people, but like I said- their opinions don't matter to anyone who would benefit from hearing it (ownership or patrons).

To your first paragraph- wdw isn't only for the rich. Go eat at trex, rainforest, or planet Hollywood. Those places didn't get closed down. All they did Is add a high end steakhouse, Not replace all mid-range priced restaurants.
Have we seen the inside of the boathouse and its themeing? Do you have pics we haven't seen? All I've seen is amphicars that you can rent from the gift shop.
Maybe people have never heard of a high end steakhouse? Is that the problem?

just shut up, people like you need to go run away to the bottom of the ocean,

disney was suppose to be for everyone, not just the elite

the people i feel bad for are families with kids that see the cool cars and wanna go for a ride, but unfortunately as disney is moving to the outrageous demographic, better shield your kids eyes or take out a second mortgage before the trip

for the record i've eaten at ruth chris and other high end steakhouses, and while theres nothing wrong with them

I just dont think they are a good fit for downtown disney

 

[mm121]

"Daddy, can I ride that?"
"No little Johnny, we can't afford it- but let's get you an ice cream"

Sorry- everyone can't do everything. Go eat at earl of sandwiches. Its really good and affordable to boot! If someone wants to eat at a high end steakhouse- let them be.
I'd rather there be a $100 Steakhouse than a $20 Applebee's. Sorry!

like i said you need to go to the bottom of the ocean

you are whats wrong with society

while theres nothing wrong with being successful, which i am.

i also dont feel the need to be an elitist snob, like you.

 

[andysol]

like i said you need to go to the bottom of the ocean

you are whats wrong with society

while theres nothing wrong with being successful, which i am.

i also dont feel the need to be an elitist snob, like you.

I never said I was successful. Nor did I say I wasnt. In fact, to even mention one way or the other on an Internet forum is a little pathetic- but whatever, you do you.

I'm speaking in generalities only.


I also crack up when people say "you are what's wrong with society". Not war. Not terrorism. Not famine. Not child sex slavery. Or indifference to any of the preceding. But being an elitist on a Disney forum. Eureka! You've cracked what's wrong with society.

 

[mm121]

I never said I was successful. Nor did I say I wasnt. In fact, to even mention one way or the other on an Internet forum is a little pathetic- but whatever, you do you.

I'm speaking in generalities only.


I also crack up when people say "you are what's wrong with society". Not war. Not terrorism. Not famine. Not child sex slavery. Or indifference to any of the preceding. But being an elitist on a Disney forum. Eureka! You've cracked what's wrong with society.

as we will never see eye to eye on this, i'm ending this conversation

 

[xdan0920]

Can afford it, why not go someplace other than Disney Springs? Won't get hit by strollers at Pointe Orlando.

Sure, that's an option, of course.

Because a discussion about Disney should be more than what your PERSONAL tolerances would be.. if we are talking about Disney as a product, a business, an icon.

So, there should be a price cap enforced by Disney, that applies to all restaurants and hotels? Can't have anyone feeling left out.

An individuals ability to afford the Grand Floridian has absolutely no bearing on whether the hotel is overpriced, reasonable, or rather a good value. The Boat House works the same way; The 'value' is the same regardless if you have saved up for a year to afford a special meal, or if you can afford to eat there every day.

Actually, value is entirely subjective. If I save up for a year to do something it better blow me away. If it's a drop in the proverbial bucket for me to afford the same experience, then the value is different.

the question is though, when did it become that wdw is only for the rich, that is entirely opposite walt's vision.

1. Schussler Creative owns the boathouse. not Disney. Disney has zip to do with their pricing structure.

2. What makes you think Walt built DL to be accessible to all? Was everything free there?

 

[xdan0920]

the people i feel bad for are families with kids that see the cool cars and wanna go for a ride, but unfortunately as disney is moving to the outrageous demographic, better shield your kids eyes or take out a second mortgage before the trip

Or...

You can simply tell your kids, No. A novel concept, I know.


*you is being used as a general term.

 

[flynnibus]

So, there should be a price cap enforced by Disney, that applies to all restaurants and hotels? Can't have anyone feeling left out.

I didn't suggest any such thing. But Disney isn't ran like 1,000 isolated businesses and the makeup of the offerings, their pricing, locations, etc are part of larger management topics that Disney is responsible for shaping and tuning to what they want WDW to be.

As a business manager you need to manage your product as intended for your intended consumers - not your personal preferences or tolerances.

WDW has always been tuned more to the middle and uprising class. The key demo is family - not 'money to burn' elitist... but that focus seems to be shifting :/

 

[andysol]

I didn't suggest any such thing. But Disney isn't ran like 1,000 isolated businesses and the makeup of the offerings, their pricing, locations, etc are part of larger management topics that Disney is responsible for shaping and tuning to what they want WDW to be.

As a business manager you need to manage your product as intended for your intended consumers - not your personal preferences or tolerances.

WDW has always been tuned more to the middle and uprising class. The key demo is family - not 'money to burn' elitist... but that focus seems to be shifting :/

There are a dozen restaurants at WDW that are on the same price point or higher.

CRT, Le Cellier, artist point, flying fish, etc, etc.

They aren't removing low cost and moderate restaurants and replacing them with expensive ones. They are just adding new restaurants across the board- some of which are expensive.

Does no one remember that walt sold tickets to the rides? Can't afford an E ticket- buy a B. Some people can't or won't spend on certain things. That's fine. The "anti-elitist" talk is just as bad as elitist talk. I'm all for variety- low cost, moderate, and expensive. Did you know wealthy people go to WDW as well as not wealthy? Should they all only be allowed to buy an $8 burger? Is this Six Flags?

Some of Yall are unreal.

 

[xdan0920]

I didn't suggest any such thing. But Disney isn't ran like 1,000 isolated businesses and the makeup of the offerings, their pricing, locations, etc are part of larger management topics that Disney is responsible for shaping and tuning to what they want WDW to be.

As a business manager you need to manage your product as intended for your intended consumers - not your personal preferences or tolerances.

WDW has always been tuned more to the middle and uprising class. The key demo is family - not 'money to burn' elitist... but that focus seems to be shifting :/

I realize you didn't technically suggest any such thing, I however prefer to take your arguments to their logical conclusions in order to mitigate some of the back and forth that can get contentious and wearying.

I don't see how having a high price point steakhouse at DS, isn't catering to WDWs guest demographic. Some guests have lots of money, some have moderate amounts, some have lesser amounts. What is wrong with catering to the entirety of your clientele?

I also fail to see how money to burn = elitist, but that's probably a conversation for a different type of message board, or maybe 74s blog.

 

[Lord_Vader]

just disappointing after all the hype and build up to find out this isn't the kind of place a family can go without spending a million dollars

i mean we all know meals aren't cheap at Downtown disney or disney in general, but this place just seems crazy.

and the menu implies that everything is sold separately.

meaning for that 115 steak, which is 57.5 a person, you'd then spend another 20 a person on sides, bringing it to 155 for an entree and sides, drinks,desert, tip not included.

all i guess the non 1% can hope for is some kind of lunch menu if we ever wanna enjoy the inside of the boathouse

just not sure a steaks the price of gold place is the realm they should be moving downtown disney too

A local high end steakhouse here is very much in line with the quoted pricing. $400 for four small steaks, one side per-person and a shared desert for two with no alchohol and gratuity.

Good, quality steak or seafood is not cheap and neither are the chefs that prepare them for guests.

 

[Lord_Vader]

just shut up, people like you need to go run away to the bottom of the ocean,

disney was suppose to be for everyone, not just the elite

the people i feel bad for are families with kids that see the cool cars and wanna go for a ride, but unfortunately as disney is moving to the outrageous demographic, better shield your kids eyes or take out a second mortgage before the trip

for the record i've eaten at ruth chris and other high end steakhouses, and while theres nothing wrong with them

I just dont think they are a good fit for downtown disney

Disney should cater to guests of all types including those that can and will eat at high end restaurants. DS/DTD is a great place for a good quality steak and seafood restaurant because right now they have no high end offering except Fultons and I really don't consider it high end.

Many guests are begging for a more diverse dining offering and that includes more high end and moderate offerings.