Animaniac93-98
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TEA/AECOM 2013 Report
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jt04
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Most of their arguments have been crushed. No doubt though that they are regrouping as we speak and formulating talking points and memes. Breaking out the popcorn.
That said I am hoping Potter 2 creates the biggest bump in Uni attendence yet. I might even go.
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doctornick
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Yeah, a fifth gate is a terrible idea. They need to pump a lot of money into DAK and DHS (and refresh Epcot as well) long before considering another theme park.
Honestly, if Disney really wanted to have something similar to a fifth gate, the best idea would be to update Disney Quest. It's getting very long in the tooth and is not a draw in its own right at all. But if they improved it, it could help with upselling water park & more tix as well as proving a draw for DTD.
Yellow Strap
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The "Flying" E Ticket, the Boat Ride "C-D" ticket and most likely a kids ride/dark ride.
Add to that a show, other interactive experiences and dining...you got yourself an impressive addition to AK. Not matter your feelings about Avatar the movie, the land probably will be an incredible sight to see and walk through.
doctornick
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Of course, we have no idea what the slate of attractions will be, so your guess might very well be pie in the sky and not reflecting reality.
I've said in another thread, though, that I wouldn't be shocked if Disney adds on a small scale flat ride to the area in addition to the Soarin' ride and boat ride (assuming that even they both still happen). Something on the scale of Mater's Junkyard Jamboree. Cameron did mention "several rides" which could mean 2, but typically would be used denote 3 or more.
We haven't heard anything about a show, but I'm not counting on one. A walk through and M&G though? Yeah, seems likely. Or if not a dedicated walk through, then they probably would consider walking about the land itself an attraction if it is as visually stunning as we might hope.
lazyboy97o
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Even before getting into issues of attractions, there is just a lot of underutilized capacity at the other three theme parks, two of which are amongst the largest theme parks in the world. And even then, you have the issue of length of stays. People added time at Walt Disney World to see the Disney-MGM Studios, but with Disney's Animal Kingdom they have just spent less time somewhere else.
BryceM
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It would be wise for Disney to pursue the action of plussing their current parks, so that they're fully fleshed out, full day parks. And fix the thematic flaws in Epcot's Future World and Disney's Hollywood Studios. Then, they could pursue a 5th gate, which I doubt would happen anyways.
I don't making direct comparisons to Universal Orlando like this, because someone will call me a "fAnBoi!!!", but it's exactly what they're doing and what they've been doing. Universal Studios has had so many new attractions open, a new parade and a new nighttime show. It is now a very full day park, between all of the great shows and the rides. Now, they need to pursue the idea of fixing KidZone, the weakest area of the park. I find Production Central to be less of an issue, since it's since supposed to resemble a working movie studio back lot. The only problem is that it's entrance to the park.
Islands of Adventure is the next target. The new transition between Lost Continent and Hogsmeade is a wonderful addition, and although small, really adds to the park. Now with Kong breaking ground, the park will be getting a new attraction with no height limit. Now, they just need to target the area between Toon Lagoon and Marvel (the Achilles Heel of IoA), add some new RIDES to Lost Continent (I don't want to see this beautiful and original land go), re-theme Toon Lagoon, and pursue the Jurassic Park expansion. Seuss, Marvel and Potter are all fine, in my opinion.
I don't making direct comparisons to Universal Orlando like this, because someone will call me a "fAnBoi!!!", but it's exactly what they're doing and what they've been doing. Universal Studios has had so many new attractions open, a new parade and a new nighttime show. It is now a very full day park, between all of the great shows and the rides. Now, they need to pursue the idea of fixing KidZone, the weakest area of the park. I find Production Central to be less of an issue, since it's since supposed to resemble a working movie studio back lot. The only problem is that it's entrance to the park.
Islands of Adventure is the next target. The new transition between Lost Continent and Hogsmeade is a wonderful addition, and although small, really adds to the park. Now with Kong breaking ground, the park will be getting a new attraction with no height limit. Now, they just need to target the area between Toon Lagoon and Marvel (the Achilles Heel of IoA), add some new RIDES to Lost Continent (I don't want to see this beautiful and original land go), re-theme Toon Lagoon, and pursue the Jurassic Park expansion. Seuss, Marvel and Potter are all fine, in my opinion.
I love lamp. What's your point, caller? No one disputed that FLE would drive up attendance at MK....
I'm just looking forward to Disney expanding the monorails once all this inevitable building takes place.
And who knows, maybe by then you would have managed one visit to WDW....
lazyboy97o
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The two park strategy and trying to even out movement is not something unique to Universal Orlando Resort. It was done from the beginning at the Tokyo Disney Resort, is being accomplished at the Disneyland Resort, and is sort of being done in fits at Disneyland Paris.
CDavid
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Source please?
Indeed, several is three, though as we've heard nothing about a third ride I'm inclined to just dismiss that comment as simply imprecise word choice on Cameron's part. A minor "flat ride" or other minor attraction is not out of the question, but just for the sake of argument, rumors of the boat ride being cancelled don't necessarily preclude its being replaced with a couple of (cheaper) off-the-shelf simple rides.
A 5th park would indeed divert resources and guest visits' away from the existing parks. Far preferable would be to get visitors away from the notion of one park means one day of your vacation time. Animal Kingdom has long been seen as a half-day park, but a more fully fleshed-out park such as the Magic Kingdom or the original, as-built Epcot Center really deserves two days to fully experience the place. Give people so enough to do - that they really want to experience - that they can't fit it into one day and you will have your extension of guest time more effectively than might be accomplished with a new gate anyway. An eighth theme park in Orlando is going to cause an increasing number of families to skip one or more of the existing parks, and actually, that's true whether the additional park is built by Universal or by Disney.
COProgressFan
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So 50k people per day, attendance at the MK is the highest its ever been ... and Disney continues to keep many food locations closed and smaller attractions/entertainment are still gone without replacement years later.
Makes perfect sense, right?
Oh wait, don't forget they've removed more places for those 18.5 million people to sit, too.
PhotoDave219
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No, we've finally matched 1991 numbers when 18 million people came for MK's 20th
WDWFigment
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I don't believe for a second that Tokyo Disneyland is seeing over 1 million fewer guests per year than the Magic Kingdom. That's even accounting for park size and my estimations of capacity.
Since the OLC releases its attendance numbers (and their TEA aggregate is more or less accurate based on the OLC's last FY report), I suspect the Walt Disney World parks all have at least slightly inflated numbers.
Since the OLC releases its attendance numbers (and their TEA aggregate is more or less accurate based on the OLC's last FY report), I suspect the Walt Disney World parks all have at least slightly inflated numbers.
Travel Junkie
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^^^^^
WDW’s numbers are highly inflated. DHS and AK cannot possibly be pulling in 10 Mil a year.
WDW’s numbers are highly inflated. DHS and AK cannot possibly be pulling in 10 Mil a year.
WDWDad13
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and your source is?
WDW1974
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I have struggled with TEA's results annually as some operators don't release figures and others don't break them down etc ...
The end result always seems to be the MK is right where the WDC wants it, regardless of any reality that might place TDL or DL above it.
Anyone who has been to TDL can tell you that MK only approaches their typical crowds about two weeks a year, if that.
While I can buy that the MK saw a slight increase in 2013, a six percent jump that conveniently leaps it over a huge (and verifiable) jump at TDL (30th Anniversary was huge) just reeks ... As does the convenient perfect two percent increases at WDW third and fourth gates that pushed them over ...ahem ..ah ...10 million visitors. All the parkhopping and insane people who go to this park at opening to ride TSMM just don't make those numbers remotely believable to me.
I have to get back to the real world, while people here can deal with latest dolt who is going to preach about mythical fifth gates and such.
probably from https://twitter.com/fugginspam/status/473829490993680384
"The DAK and DHS numbers are physically impossible for them to obtain. Capacity days for 50+ days/yr required for those."
Travel Junkie
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This for one
A park with 7-8 rides depending on what you count as a ride, simply does not have the capacity to average 30K a day.
I guess having a professional organization report numbers is not acceptable to you. You obviously know more than I could ever know and I am just stupid for believing an impartial organization. After all we all know Universal has the best attended theme parks in the world.