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iLikeMountains
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Weeell... The shot was developed by Janssen Pharmaceuticals, a Belgium based division of Johnson & Johnson. But it's not from Germany, Poland, Ukraine or China!Interesting!
At my NYE party the general consensus seems to be to wait for the Johnson&Johnson shot because it's just one dose and doesn't require specific scheduling. A doctor at the party, a heart surgeon at a notable OC hospital, agreed that unless you have co-morbidities it's best to just keep doing what we're doing and wait for the Johnson&Johnson shot to become available to our age group later this year.
I also like that it's from a solid American company that I know and trust, as I can't keep straight the German companies that are doing some of the vaccines and where they are making this stuff. Germany? Poland? Ukraine? Communist China?
Johnson&Johnson makes their vaccines in Michigan, and since I didn't go to Ohio State I have no problem with that.
Emmanuel
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A small town in NorCal by the name of Ukiah had two hours to distribute their first batches of the Moderna Vaccine after its storage unit failed yesterday. The alarm that was supposed to notify the hospital of such failure did not go off.
mendovoice.com
They began at 12 p.m. and a line soon formed outside and inside of the Ukiah Valley Medical Center, with people off the street, patients, people who had heard from a friend or word-of-mouth, lining up out the door. By 2 p.m. all the doses had been administered and the people left in line had to be turned away. Information was collected from those who did get a vaccine, and they will be given a call at a future date for their booster shot. Additionally they received CDC vaccine cards.
Given the narrow window to get the vaccines out, time was of the essence, and Parker explained that vaccines were distributed only in Ukiah, at the hospital and at certain key nursing homes. Sending doses up to Howard Memorial Hospital was considered, but was not possible due to an accident on the 101 blocking northbound traffic.
LA Times also mentioned that with 600 shots left after getting 250 distributed, they turned to the local community.
Freezer failure at Ukiah Valley Medical forces emergency mass vaccine distribution • The Mendocino Voice | Mendocino County, CA
Does were administered to nursing homes, medical staff, jail inmates, and people off the street.
mendovoice.com
They began at 12 p.m. and a line soon formed outside and inside of the Ukiah Valley Medical Center, with people off the street, patients, people who had heard from a friend or word-of-mouth, lining up out the door. By 2 p.m. all the doses had been administered and the people left in line had to be turned away. Information was collected from those who did get a vaccine, and they will be given a call at a future date for their booster shot. Additionally they received CDC vaccine cards.
Given the narrow window to get the vaccines out, time was of the essence, and Parker explained that vaccines were distributed only in Ukiah, at the hospital and at certain key nursing homes. Sending doses up to Howard Memorial Hospital was considered, but was not possible due to an accident on the 101 blocking northbound traffic.
LA Times also mentioned that with 600 shots left after getting 250 distributed, they turned to the local community.
<starts to hang out in hospital parking lots>A small town in NorCal by the name of Ukiah had two hours to distribute their first batches of the Moderna Vaccine after its storage unit failed yesterday. The alarm that was supposed to notify the hospital of such failure did not go off.
Freezer failure at Ukiah Valley Medical forces emergency mass vaccine distribution • The Mendocino Voice | Mendocino County, CA
Does were administered to nursing homes, medical staff, jail inmates, and people off the street.
They began at 12 p.m. and a line soon formed outside and inside of the Ukiah Valley Medical Center, with people off the street, patients, people who had heard from a friend or word-of-mouth, lining up out the door. By 2 p.m. all the doses had been administered and the people left in line had to be turned away. Information was collected from those who did get a vaccine, and they will be given a call at a future date for their booster shot. Additionally they received CDC vaccine cards.
Given the narrow window to get the vaccines out, time was of the essence, and Parker explained that vaccines were distributed only in Ukiah, at the hospital and at certain key nursing homes. Sending doses up to Howard Memorial Hospital was considered, but was not possible due to an accident on the 101 blocking northbound traffic.
LA Times also mentioned that with 600 shots left after getting 250 distributed, they turned to the local community.
SevenSevens
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That's not too far fetched. There have been a lot of stories of similar things happening. Once the vaccines are thawed out, there's only so much time to use them. So when they find themselves with more vaccines than patients, they start opening it up to family / friends / people at the hospital for other reasons.
Emmanuel
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Coincidentally around the time that Ukiah was doing that, Newsom said that while they want to keep to the priority lists, they plan to allow flexibility for the providers to give vaccines to others not on priority IF the doses they have are at risk of being spoiled of being not administered so that could help a bit to get more vaccinated. They’re also conducting surveys among the healthcare workers to see which ones don’t want to take the vaccine right now.
unmitigated disaster
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It makes sense that if they have leftover vaccines that they randomly stick willing people with it so it doesn't have to be tossed.
On the other hand, it's still terrible at LA hospitals.
Emmanuel
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Yeah and this time the Hospital Ship Mercy isn’t available since it’s dry docked and won’t be available for quite some time.
Long Beach did reopen a historic hospital this week that will take in non Covid patients
May not be big but ANYTHING to get pressure off is needed in LA County because it’s gonna be bad for a while
Darkbeer1
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And St. Vincent's Hospital in the South LA area sits unused due to the TV production Hiatus. ABC/Disney can easily build sets on a movie lot that looks just like the areas of St. Vincent's being used. It has happened in the past for other productions. Start filming at a physical location, then decide to recreate it on sound stages.
And then use the Military members that Governor Newsom and others are requesting to staff it as a substitute for the USNS Mercy, and with the same restrictions, so the Military staff gets practice on vehicle and gunshot trauma's, things that relate to injuries found on the battlefield.
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unmitigated disaster
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Just out of curiosity, why do you think you deserve all of the military medical staff of the Mercy? There are 49 other states.
How much responsibility do YOU think the citizens of California should be taking for their hospitals being overrun?
MoonRakerSCM
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That hospital in Long Beach was shut down due to being on an active fault (Newport-Inglewood). I know the people who did the study.
unmitigated disaster
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Huh. Did they shut down anything else for being on that fault?
MoonRakerSCM
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Not that I know of, I don't know details but the study was commissioned and the findings showed active traces of the fault under the building (the study was conducted on the property of the hospital itself). You can't have important buildings such as fire stations and hospitals (amongst several things) built on top of an active fault trace, so they had to shutter it. Hospital is no good if it splits in half due to ground rupture during an earthquake (separate hazard from ground shaking).
Darkbeer1
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Many Hospitals in California have been rebuilt or moved due to the earthquake laws, and more are coming.
California hospitals question 2030 earthquake standards - ABC News (go.com)
>>California has required new hospital buildings to meet earthquake standards since 1974, following a 1971 magnitude 6.5 earthquake in the San Fernando Valley that killed 64 people and collapsed buildings at the Olive View Medical Center and a veterans hospital.
In 1994, after a magnitude 6.7 earthquake near Los Angeles damaged 11 hospitals and forced eight to evacuate, state lawmakers required hospitals to either upgrade their existing buildings to withstand an earthquake or replace them. The original deadline was 2008, but is has been extended to 2020 with some exceptions.<<
>>Coyle said 38% of California hospitals operate at a loss. Suver said if they have to comply by 2030, they will have to "significantly limit some of the services we offer."
"The new tower was very expensive for us to build and prospect for us to have to spend more millions of dollars on remediation of older buildings and demolish them is very tough for a small rural hospital like us," he said.<<
So basically Community Hospital Long Beach was required to close before 2020 due to the earthquake standards, but got a waiver to reopen. Same with St. Vincent's, which also could be given a waiver.
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el_super
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Did you ever find out if the ICU beds are even still in there?
lazyboy97o
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Or the staff available to man them.
Darkbeer1
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Yes, they were there for the 6 months of 2020 that it was a Surge Hospital.
Doctors reopened a shuttered hospital to fight coronavirus - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
>>The surge hospital would not have an operating room, which required a more complex level of care. Instead, there would just be the ICU and units for patients under observation and in recovery. <<
Darkbeer1
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In late November, Governor Newsom ordered 11 Surge Facilities to open in California. Where did he get the staff to open them?
In Orange County, Costa Mesa opened Fairview, a former mental hospital with no ICU facilities.
Why not close that facility, in a non-COVID Hot Spot, and not really being used, and shift that staff to St. Vincent's, which is a Hot Spot?
el_super
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This article is from July. The state paid to lease the hospital for six months, so they had, at the time of closing it, no intention of running the hospital past Sept. The hospital was in bankruptcy prior to the state stepping in, so what makes you think that the ICU beds remained abandoned in the hospital after it closed in May?