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lazyboy97o

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In late November, Governor Newsom ordered 11 Surge Facilities to open in California. Where did he get the staff to open them?

In Orange County, Costa Mesa opened Fairview, a former mental hospital with no ICU facilities.

Why not close that facility, in a non-COVID Hot Spot, and not really being used, and shift that staff to St. Vincent's, which is a Hot Spot?
Across the country. Throughout the year there has been shifting demand for travel nurses and states relaxed their regulations on doctors from out of state practicing. As long as a few places were seeing demand that traveling staff could move around.
 

Darkbeer1

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This article is from July. The state paid to lease the hospital for six months, so they had, at the time of closing it, no intention of running the hospital past Sept. The hospital was in bankruptcy prior to the state stepping in, so what makes you think that the ICU beds remained abandoned in the hospital after it closed in May?
The state lease expired in September, just not staffed, due to lack of demand. But it remained in a stand by status. Whatever was removed could be returned, just like they did earlier in the year.

The current status is a TV set, so some equipment remains for use as props.

Sounds like they just took the stand by status and allowed the TV crew to take over. Just kick out the NON-essential ABC/Disney production "Triage" and bring back the medical use.

Los Angeles Surge Hospital That Treated COVID-19 Patients Now Appears To Be Site Of Full-Scale Hollywood Production | The Daily Wire
 

lazyboy97o

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This article is from July. The state paid to lease the hospital for six months, so they had, at the time of closing it, no intention of running the hospital past Sept. The hospital was in bankruptcy prior to the state stepping in, so what makes you think that the ICU beds remained abandoned in the hospital after it closed in May?
It's not just beds and staff that would be needed for such a facility but also higher skilled transportation crews and equipment. Moving people is not a decision made lightly as it brings additional risks and its not unusual for this work to reserved for more dedicated critical care teams who would already be busy moving patients between existing facilities.
 

Darkbeer1

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It's not just beds and staff that would be needed for such a facility but also higher skilled transportation crews and equipment. Moving people is not a decision made lightly as it brings additional risks and its not unusual for this work to reserved for more dedicated critical care teams who would already be busy moving patients between existing facilities.
Why wasn't it done in November? The Governor could have ordered it, just like in March....
 

lazyboy97o

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Why wasn't it done in November? The Governor could have ordered it, just like in March....
Ordered what? The governor can't magically make staff appear. March was before the intense level of care was understood. These aren't people who just need a bed and oxygen away from others.
 

Darkbeer1

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Ordered what? The governor can't magically make staff appear. March was before the intense level of care was understood. These aren't people who just need a bed and oxygen away from others.
He ordered 11 Facilities to open, where did that staff come from?

They staffed the closed Palomar Medical Center, the former Sears building in Riverside, the ARCO/Sleep Train Center in Sacramento, Fairview in Costa Mesa and 7 other locations.

One of my first comments about St. Vincent's here...

Why did the Governor pick a formal mental hospital with limited medical facilities (mainly a board and care facility) in Orange County, with minimal COVID issues for the region instead of a working hospital that was located in a much more impacted area in Los Angeles County....
 

lazyboy97o

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He ordered 11 Facilities to open, where did that staff come from?

One of my first comments about St. Vincent's here...

Why did the Governor pick a formal mental hospital with limited medical facilities (mainly a board and care facility) in Orange County, with minimal COVID issues for the region instead of a working hospital that was located in a much more impacted area in Los Angeles County....
Again, earlier in the year it was possible to bring in staff from other parts of the state and the country. Earlier in the year the false assumption is that there would be a big need just for beds, the realization that far more staffing recourses were required for each patient came later.

I haven't bothered to really dig into the status of either facility, but I'm guessing they were assessed by persons other than the governor to determine which facilities are best to use, including respecting private property rights. One simply reason to keep non-COVID patients out of a hotspot would be that they are non-COVID patients and you don't want to make them COVID patients.
 

el_super

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The state lease expired in September, just not staffed, due to lack of demand. But it remained in a stand by status. Whatever was removed could be returned, just like they did earlier in the year.

LOL no. Things can't just be returned. That's not really how the world works.

If the ICU equipment was leased or sold to other entities, as the article you quoted seems to suggest, you can't just go back to those people and demand they return them.
 

Darkbeer1

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LOL no. Things can't just be returned. That's not really how the world works.

If the ICU equipment was leased or sold to other entities, as the article you quoted seems to suggest, you can't just go back to those people and demand they return them.
Then the State can get new ones, where did they get the stuff in March. They have the equipment for 11 facilities, transfer it, along with the staff.

The only thing Fairview is doing is dealing with dementia patients. That is board and care, just like its former use.

When there is a will, there is a way. Look at all the beds New York had set up in multiple facilities, but never used.
 
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lazyboy97o

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Then the Staye can get new ones, where did they get the stuff in March. They have the equipment for 11 facilities, transfer it, along with the staff.

The only thing Fairview is doing is dealing with dementia patients. That is board and care, just like its former use.

When there is a will, there is a way. Look at all the beds New York had set up in multiple facilities, but never used.
Maybe the equipment is sitting in a gift shop.
 

Darkbeer1

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Where did all the equipment and staff come from to reopen Community Hospital Long Beach. They did it...

The lease was for $21.5 million of Federal Grant money for the first 6 months of LASH aka St. Vincent. Rather see another 6 months lease from Federal funds instead of posters, billboards and other items. Anaheim just spent a bunch of money on those. I think setting up Vaccine sites would have been a better use. Way too much overkill on the street signs, many signs per block....
 

lazyboy97o

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Where did all the equipment and staff come from to reopen Community Hospital Long Beach. They did it...

The lease was for $21.5 million of Federal Grant money for the first 6 months of LASH aka St. Vincent. Rather see another 6 months lease from Federal funds instead of posters, billboards and other items. Anaheim just spent a bunch of money on those. I think setting up Vaccine sites would have been a better use. Way too much overkill on the street signs, many signs per block....
You keep saying this over and over again as though it was all just locked away in a storage unit and not put to use somewhere. The equipment being used in hallways and gift shops came from somewhere.
 

unmitigated disaster

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Where did all the equipment and staff come from to reopen Community Hospital Long Beach. They did it...

The lease was for $21.5 million of Federal Grant money for the first 6 months of LASH aka St. Vincent. Rather see another 6 months lease from Federal funds instead of posters, billboards and other items. Anaheim just spent a bunch of money on those. I think setting up Vaccine sites would have been a better use. Way too much overkill on the street signs, many signs per block....
I still haven't heard you - or anyone else - respond to my questions from earlier.
 
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Who else is exhausted by these ridiculous and baseless claims attempting to frame Newsom as some kind of tyrant who is deliberately using Covid as a leverage to deceive, distort, and deprive California citizens of their freedoms? Some of y'all have been sipping way too much Trump Kool-Aid. It's abhorrent. Enough already.
 

castleparker

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Who else is exhausted by these ridiculous and baseless claims attempting to frame Newsom as some kind of tyrant who is deliberately using Covid as a leverage to deceive, distort, and deprive California citizens of their freedoms? Some of y'all have been sipping way too much Trump Kool-Aid. It's abhorrent. Enough already.
It's such a pity that an effort to save lives is perceived as impeding on their rights. But these people have been trained to think that the government is always out to get them, so any action on the part of Newsom is doomed to fail on these people simply because he does not have the right letter after his name.
 

Disstevefan1

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Who else is exhausted by these ridiculous and baseless claims attempting to frame Newsom as some kind of tyrant who is deliberately using Covid as a leverage to deceive, distort, and deprive California citizens of their freedoms? Some of y'all have been sipping way too much Trump Kool-Aid. It's abhorrent. Enough already.
You can't really blame Newsom for panicking. California ranks at the bottom with Washington state and Oregon for having the least number of hospital beds for their populations. California will be OK there are still a lot of rich people that still live there to keep CA afloat and besides that, the new Administration will bail them out for sure, big tech must be paid back.

Small business in California is merely collateral damage...
 

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