Californian Elitist
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Thank you very much. I’m better now.
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Good. I am glad to hear that. Hope your smell comes back
Californian Elitist
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Me too lol.
In this case it is simple, reopen the economy, get unemployment down and make it look like Biden instantly improved the economy when he didn't really do anything, giving him a quick boost which in their mind will result.in long term gains.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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I was stupid enough to visit during the recent 'no masks off any time for anything/no eating or drinking' restrictions. I almost fainted from dehydration because I wasn't allowed to drink any water in the two and a half hours I was there on a hot day. I couldn't even make it back to my car without having to sit down on a curb as I was afraid I would pass out. THEY CANNOT FORCIBLY KEEP PEOPLE DEHYDRATED LIKE THAT.
mickEblu
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But how could anyone logically come to that conclusion if he’s only been in office for less than a week?
Tamandua
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It's not like they will declare victory after a week. They're shifting gears now and then when everything is artificially better in a few weeks or months from less sensitive covid tests, reopened businesses, and vaccines that just happened to ramp up within hours of the inauguration, they'll say it was all Biden, despite Biden admitting on hot mic that he doesn't even know what he's signing when they hand him these EOs.
This happens every time an administration changes. Credit or blame gets shifted from one to another. After the tax cuts skyrocketed the economy after Trump's first year, Obama tried to take credit for it. You would have to be insane to believe it, but it's propaganda fodder all the same.
Stevek
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That's kinda been the argument from the beginning, what would they have to gain. I always thought it was an odd argument.
mickEblu
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I understand that these things happen on politics but wouldn’t it behoove them to be a little more slick with the timing on these things? Vaccines being announced like 3 days after the election? Stay at home orders being announced in California less than a week after the inauguration?
unmitigated disaster
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I'm more than a little bemused that you think Newsome had some sort of plan to specifically cover this pandemic. I'm even more bemused that the simplest way to help end it - stay home unless you're essential and wear masks - is treated as a violation of Human, nay, AMERICAN!!!!! Rights.
There's something we agree on! That Newsom had some sort of a plan. Or that the Republican governors of Texas or Florida had a plan. Or that Trump had a plan. Or that Obama had a plan. Or that Biden has a plan he's kept a top secret since he decided to run for office 18 months ago.
No one had a plan for this. That's a conspiracy theory I can finally get behind; the anti-conspiracy conspiracy theory.
No one with a D next to their name had a plan, no one with an R next to their name had a plan, and not even Bernie with a big pink S next to his name had a plan.
There was no plan. Thus, there was no conspiracy. Never has been, probably never will be.
It was just people responding in real time to a sudden crisis no one had ever planned for. Some folks responded differently, and some of those differences were due to the fact they had D's next to their name (they favor a big government response) or R's next to their name (they favor a personal responsibility response). I don't think Bernie even responded, because he has a pink S next to his name so all he has to do is talk about it instead of actually doing something. See: Democratic Socialists of America Convention 2019 on YouTube for endless hours of comical evidence of that.
Regardless, no one had a plan.
Now that I've been so blunt, cue someone who wants to say there was a couple of binders on pandemic response drafted in Fiscal 2013 that were left in the office of the Deputy Assistant Under-Secretary for Health & Human Services on the 4th floor. They even put Post-It notes on the binders, so you'd see them when you opened the file cabinet all the way. There was a plan!
Except... no, there was no plan for this. People made it up as they went along. To various degrees of success.
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mickEblu
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That’s what I was getting at. I disagree with the way Newsom and most democrats have handled the pandemic. With that said, I’m trying to understand the rationale of those who say that there is an agenda with the timing of the vaccine announcement and distribution, stay at home orders in California being stopped etc. I can’t make sense of what there would be to gain and the timing of these things (if there is an agenda) is pretty sloppy and not well thought out.
Agreed.
I honestly don't think anyone in Sacramento has a plan that looks out further than two or three weeks. Maybe one week?
That's an anti-conspiracy theory if there ever was one; no one actually has a real plan.
The cynic in me thinks this sudden about-face when all the Science & Data looks just as dark and dreary today as it did last week is tied in to the growing traction the recall campaign is getting. If Governor Newsom gets recalled, a la' Gray Davis, that ends his ability to run for President in '24 or '28. That's serious business.
Other than the growing numbers of recall campaign signatures, over 1.2 Million as of Monday, I can't think of any good reason why the Newsom administration would switch so suddenly from last week's "These are the darkest of our dark days." to suddenly saying this morning "Hiya, gang! Things are lookin' up! Everything is open again, effective immediately!"
But honestly, it might just be something as silly as they wanted new talking points to use in their daily press conferences. They'd kind of used up all the old ones they've been saying over and over and over again for the last six months. Deaths, tests, spread, lockdown, deaths, transmission rates, hospital capacity, deaths, etc., etc.
unmitigated disaster
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Part of the problem of no plans is, I think, that same human thinking that has people who build houses close to Mt. Rainier because "well, hasn't erupted lately." I mean, sometimes people were right - Mt. Rainier didn't erupt and destroy Seattle in their lifetime.
I've said it before: pre-Covid if you were to ask a respected epidemiologist if there was ever going to be another pandemic they would have replied it's when, not if. But government as a whole thought " well, chopping pandemic equipment and the like is an easy way to save money. What are the odds?" and chopped their budget. But this time the odds came up against us.
I've said it before: pre-Covid if you were to ask a respected epidemiologist if there was ever going to be another pandemic they would have replied it's when, not if. But government as a whole thought " well, chopping pandemic equipment and the like is an easy way to save money. What are the odds?" and chopped their budget. But this time the odds came up against us.
Now this part I can agree with completely, when my parents worked at county hospitals in LA County and the county kept trying to close more and more of them, there were protests and people warning them that it was a bad idea to make these cuts that one day we would see something like this and if the cuts were made we would regret it. I know the protests happened because I was physically there and while I was still a kid at the time, even I knew they were right, there are plenty of places we can and should cut government spending, but healthcare infrastructure isn't one of them and never should have been.
Bob Harlem
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Jiggsawpuzzle35
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You are in luck my friend. My sources say Y Arriba Y Arriba and ESPN Zone will reopen on Friday.
Earl of Sandwich has apparently put their tables back outside and you can now eat any food that is available for sale, but only if you are stationary, outside and socially distant from others.
For Earl it was easy, just put the tables back out, for others I would imagine it will be a slow process over the next several weeks with the last being the Disney owned locations. Strictly an educated guess, but I think the Disney owned locations will shoot for the week before Easter to be fully reopened so they are open in time for Spring Break. I think given all of the logistics anything sooner would be pushing it, but I will admit that I could be wrong on this, it just seems the most likely scenario.
Great question.
I'm afraid because the announcement of the sudden and sweeping lifting of the Stay-At-Home Order literally just a few days after elected leaders were using language like "These are the darkest hours of our darkest days", most restaurants had no plans for this and will need some time to restock, restaff, and restart.
Maybe give it a week or two? It's all part of the exciting adventure of being a small business owner in the Golden State!
Sudden lifting of stay-at-home order surprises and relieves Orange County businesses
Orange County remains in the most-restrictive purple tier of the state’s four-tier pandemic tracking system.
www.ocregister.com
Owners and staff in some Orange County business sectors, including restaurants, gyms and hair and nail salons, welcomed the surprising news Monday, Jan. 25, that they could immediately reopen – at least outdoors in some cases – after state health officials lifted the latest stay-at-home order, which all Southern California counties had been under since Dec. 6.
Restaurants and gyms can open outdoors and nail and hair salons can reopen indoors at limited capacity – but everyone must wear a mask, said Gov. Gavin Newsom during a news conference on Monday. Certain youth sports competitions can resume, he said.