Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[TP2000]

Remember, this is a guy who doesn't know the difference between the cold and flu.

Because it's Christmas, and this issue seems very important to you, I'm going to offer the official TP2000 explanation of what I think the difference between a cold and flu is for about the seventh or eighth time.

TP2000 Explains The Cold vs. A Flu

Cold = Sniffles, runny nose, mild cough, nasal congestion. You head is all stopped up, but you don't run a fever and you can generally get on with your life with some Dayquil and pocket Kleenex. There is no vaccine for what Americans call "the common cold". You get to sit in bed having soup and watching The Price Is Right.

Flu = More severe symptoms than a cold. Symptoms aren't just confined to your head, but can get down into your lungs with a worse cough. Often has a fever and body aches. You often lose your appetite and don't even want to watch The Price Is Right. Old and infirm people need to treat the flu more seriously. There's a vaccine for flu, but it varies year to year on how effective that year's vaccine is because there are dozens of strains, and tens of thousands of Americans die each year from the flu.

Also, when I open my medicine cabinet to grab something to treat a cold, I instantly start humming this jingle even though it's not really cold medicine. Sing it with me friends!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Because it's Christmas, and this issue seems very important to you, I'm going to offer the official TP2000 explanation of what I think the difference between a cold and flu is for about the seventh or eighth time.

TP2000 Explains The Cold vs. A Flu

Cold = Sniffles, runny nose, mild cough, nasal congestion. You head is all stopped up, but you don't run a fever and you can generally get on with your life with some Dayquil and pocket Kleenex. There is no vaccine for what Americans call "the common cold". You get to sit in bed having soup and watching The Price Is Right.

Flu = More severe symptoms than a cold. Symptoms aren't just confined to your head, but can get down into your lungs with a worse cough. Often has a fever and body aches. You often lose your appetite and don't even want to watch The Price Is Right. Old and infirm people need to treat the flu more seriously. There's a vaccine for flu, but it varies year to year on how effective that year's vaccine is because there are dozens of strains, and tens of thousands of Americans die each year from the flu.

Also, when I open my medicine cabinet to grab something to treat a cold, I instantly start humming this jingle even though it's not really cold medicine. Sing it with me friends!

That you still can't figure it out is an astounding commitment to ignorance.

 

[TP2000]

That you still can't figure it out is an astounding commitment to ignorance.

Not a fan of The Price Is Right, huh?

Or did I miss a symptom? Sore throat? Watery eyes?

 

[Mac Tonight]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the back and forth???

No? OK then...

 

[TP2000]

Not surprisingly, even though Governor Newsom had his Courth of Appeals issue an emergency injunction against the San Diego County court case that the strip clubs easily won, restaurants across San Diego County are staying open in defiance of Sacramento.

Restaurants Across County Stay Open In Defiance of State Restrictions

County leaders say they are struggling to enforce restrictions on restaurants because of back-and-forth court rulings and a lack of unity from political leaders about the restrictions. According to the most recent legal ruling, restaurants across the county are not allowed to be open for any...

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I think part of the issue here is that Sacramento is 500 miles from San Diego, and the tenuous grasp our Sacramento betters have on distant counties and cultures is quickly slipping away.

I also have it on good authority from a friend in La Jolla that my favorite San Diego sushi place has reopened for indoor dining at their sushi bar, but with physical distancing in the dining room and some tables moved out onto a makeshift patio. I will be heading down there this weekend for sushi!

This dining issue, and all the court cases coming to Sacramento in January, are not going to go away. It should be interesting to see what happens with Downtown Disney once the inevitable Orange County legal case bubbles forth, unless a more sweeping statewide case happens first in January.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not a fan of The Price Is Right, huh?

Or did I miss a symptom? Sore throat? Watery eyes?

Not an issue of symptoms...

 

[TP2000]

Don't you guys ever get tired of the back and forth???

No? OK then...

Right?

I swear, I need to invest in a restaurant!

I have no personal or financial investment in any restaurant, although I was approached by a friend about 15 years ago to invest in a surf themed restaurant that Beach Boy Brian Wilson was going to put his name on at GardenWalk. I declined the investment offer, the concept never got off the drawing board, and seeing how GardenWalk turned out I'm quite thrilled with that. I'm sure Brian Wilson is too.

But it's just really interesting to see all these court cases get brought forth by small restauranteurs who have the guts to take on our betters in government. And then quickly and decisively win their cases with multiple judges now stating the government has absolutely no evidence or any Science & Data they've been using to arbitrarily shut down the restaurant industry in this state. It's heartening to see the little guy still has a chance at legal success in this society!

 

[flutas]

Well, actually the virus was from China, but I don't think it involved a boogeyman.

The point is that there is no Science & Data that proves sitting at a disinfected table set 10 feet from each other on an outdoor patio is how you'll get Covid. There is no evidence that this is the environment where Covid is spreading.

You say this, then where is it spreading from? Like I said, the virus doesn't just appear at random. It's not some video game where you have a .0X% chance of randomly getting infected in the middle of the night to spread to your household.

Covid is spreading primarily in the home. Especially when folks have parties and gatherings that are completely unregulated by the government, and there's no Dockers-clad manager hovering in the dining room to make sure Aunt Clara wipes down the table with disinfectant when the kids are done playing Scrabble.

The point of closing restaurants (as well as what should be more stores, like WOD, as well as government offices that can close) is to stop the 1 person from getting it, that would then spread it to their entire family. In my scenario presented, stopping 1 person from getting it would have actually stopped 6.

All in all, I give your dance around my question a 5.5/10 for it's artistic merits since you included that lovely photo.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You say this, then where is it spreading from? Like I said, the virus doesn't just appear at random. It's not some video game where you have a .0X% chance of randomly getting infected in the middle of the night to spread to your household.



The point of closing restaurants (as well as what should be more stores, like WOD, as well as government offices that can close) is to stop the 1 person from getting it, that would then spread it to their entire family. In my scenario presented, stopping 1 person from getting it would have actually stopped 6.

All in all, I give your dance around my question a 5.5/10 for it's artistic merits since you included that lovely photo.

1000 people packed into a Walmart or a couple dozen people dining outdoors at socially distanced tables... my money is on Walmart.

Unfortunately for small business owners they don’t have millions for political donations, which explains why they are closed despite few cases linked to them while spreaders like Walmart are open... and all in the name of science.

 

[Darkbeer1]

I went to Brea Mall Friday Night, can someone tell me what is "Essential" at Game Stop, As Seen on TV, Spencer's Gifts, etc ?

And the Food Court was open, though the Table and Chairs were covered up.

The rules are arbitrary and don't make sense.

Government is picking Winners and Losers without any Science and Data guiding them.

And of course, St. Vincent's sits there, being used as a TV set, instead of being used as a Surge Hospital, even though it was one for half the year.

 

[Stevek]

I went to Brea Mall Friday Night, can someone tell me what is "Essential" at Game Stop, As Seen on TV, Spencer's Gifts, etc ?

And the Food Court was open, though the Table and Chairs were covered up.

The rules are arbitrary and don't make sense.

Government is picking Winners and Losers without any Science and Data guiding them.

And of course, St. Vincent's sits there, being used as a TV set, instead of being used as a Surge Hospital, even though it was one for half the year.

We went to the Tyler Mall out in Riverside on Sunday and did our best to be in and out in less than 20 minutes. We saw all the things you said above and zero management of crowds to get into the mall itself...the individual stores were limiting guests though.

 

[Disney Irish]

You guys really need to reach out to the legal teams being paid big bucks to represent LA County and San Diego County in court. Because those legal teams keep losing in court due to the fact they are completely unable to provide any Science & Data the state and local bureaucrats have used to close restaurants.

After many folks were increasingly suspicious that these industry closures were entirely arbitrary and not backed by Science & Data, that exact opinion has been validated by multiple judges in multiple court cases this month.

That is the point.

But if you've got secret Science & Data to help these highly paid legal teams win these court cases, you really should be emailing Sacramento ASAP. They'll need the help next month.



Exactly. And that's also what the judges said when handing down victories in court to restaurants, and even strip clubs. These restaurant closures are completely arbitrary and it turns out the bureaucrats have not been using Science & Data.

Just think about that; a couple of strip clubs in San Diego hired a cheap lawyer and went up against the wealth and might of an entire legal team representing a giant bureaucracy. And the strip club lawyer easily won.

There's no Science & Data being used here. Just panic and arbitrary power grabs.

You still completely ignore the point. And you completely avoided the point from your own article, which is thousands of restaurants are ignoring even the social distancing rules. I'd be more inclined to be on your side of having outdoor dining available if there was 100% compliance of restaurants on the social distancing. But yet when you give them an inch they take a mile, so you have thousands of restaurants all saying, "push those tables closer together and lets pack em in", risking not only their own employees but their customers.

No power grabs here, just business owners that ruin it for everyone else.

 

[Pete Schweddy]

The airline I flew on last week filled every seat and the woman next to me was "oozing" into my seat for 3 hours, physically touching me, and had her mask off the entire time while she ate and drank.

I've wondered since March, if this was as bad as they claim how come they don't shut down air travel. Keep outbreaks more localized instead of letting everyone fly freely around the county, and for the most part the word, with minor restrictions. Check a flight tracker app, and the amount of passenger planes at anytime is incredible for such a supposed pandemic. First one i randomly selected is coming from England, where there is supposedly a worse mutation of the virus now.

 

[Figments Friend]

I'm not a medical professional, but I've played one on tv.

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[TP2000]

You say this, then where is it spreading from? Like I said, the virus doesn't just appear at random. It's not some video game where you have a .0X% chance of randomly getting infected in the middle of the night to spread to your household.

It spreads through the air, or not. It spreads via hard surfaces, or not. It's quite frankly difficult to keep up with the latest theory on how Covid spreads. But what LA County's own contract tracing info showed is that about 70% of the cases are coming from private households, especially in poorer neighborhoods in South and East LA where multi-generational families live together in small apartments and bungalow homes, sharing toilet seats and faucets and utensils and TV remotes and video game controllers all day long.

The spread of Covid is dramatically higher in working class East LA compared to upper-middle class Redondo Beach. And the spread of Covid is even lower than that in upper class Pacific Palisades. That's something we do in fact know from eight months of the Science & Data. Something is going on there, and it's not because there were more trendy patio restaurants operating in Redondo Beach for the past six months.

The point of closing restaurants (as well as what should be more stores, like WOD, as well as government offices that can close) is to stop the 1 person from getting it, that would then spread it to their entire family. In my scenario presented, stopping 1 person from getting it would have actually stopped 6.

All in all, I give your dance around my question a 5.5/10 for it's artistic merits since you included that lovely photo.

Got it. But my point is that the highly paid legal teams representing some of the largest and most wealthy counties in the entire nation couldn't prove that at all in court this month. The legal teams were asked to show that restaurants spread Covid, and they failed miserably.

There is no Science & Data that proves that restaurants spread Covid. And now we also know that our government minders are not using Science & Data to make their decisions, because there is no Science & Data.

So why are restaurants in Downtown Disney, and throughout SoCal, still closed? The decision to destroy that entire industry was entirely arbitrary, and two separate Circuit Court judges have now come to that easy conclusion.

How much longer do we have to keep pretending that the California government knows what they are doing by closing all restaurants? How many thousands of small businesses must we destroy, how many hundreds of thousands of taxpayers must be ground into oblivion before the government finally admits there is no Science & Data that shows restaurants spread Covid?

 

[TP2000]

I've wondered since March, if this was as bad as they claim how come they don't shut down air travel. Keep outbreaks more localized instead of letting everyone fly freely around the county, and for the most part the word, with minor restrictions. Check a flight tracker app, and the amount of passenger planes at anytime is incredible for such a supposed pandemic. First one i randomly selected is coming from England, where there is supposedly a worse mutation of the virus now.

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Fascinating! And that's a big 777, carrying about 350 people direct from London as it lands this evening at LAX.

There's a few dozen other big jets like that coming in from around the world tonight at LAX. With thousands of other flights criss-crossing the nation and the planet every single day, landing at LAX and SFO and San Diego and San Jose and Palm Springs and John Wayne and Oakland and Ontario. Every single day.

But sure, the patio at Naples Ristorante is the main culprit and it must be closed indefinitely. Science & Data!

 

[lazyboy97o]

State and local governments didn’t stop federally controlled air travel... that really is another puzzler...

 

[mickEblu]

I've wondered since March, if this was as bad as they claim how come they don't shut down air travel. Keep outbreaks more localized instead of letting everyone fly freely around the county, and for the most part the word, with minor restrictions. Check a flight tracker app, and the amount of passenger planes at anytime is incredible for such a supposed pandemic. First one i randomly selected is coming from England, where there is supposedly a worse mutation of the virus now.

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Thats easy. It’s spreads through the air... unless you’re in the air which negates the virus due to the air X2 rule which states a virus cannot survive above 10,000 feet or if you are a Republican.

Unless you re flying Spirit Airlines. Then all bets are off.

 

[TP2000]

From LA Times article today - As comedian Johan Miranda tweeted, “Just told my mom under Los Angeles stay at home orders I can’t see her unless we happen to be shopping at the same Target.”

Oh, that's hysterical! I'm going to steal that one and use it at Christmas dinner.

 

[Darkbeer1]

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