'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[The Mom]

Too many posters are just arguing back and forth - even if they are trying to be civil about it, it is still taking an "I'm right, you're wrong" stance. No one is going to change their minds about whether or not certain things belong in an animated movie from a studio that has a reputation of producing child friendly films.

But if people want to discuss the merit/deficiency of the movie's presentation without focusing on a minor, albeit seemingly important to some, detail then that is fine. As mundane as that may be.

Please do not not turn this into a discussion of social issues or politics. Thank you.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I will watch it when it's on D+ but would not go to the theater to see it.
I am also waiting for Top Gun to be on streaming to watch it.
This brings up a point. For me at least, IF ANY movie goes to streaming, I will wait for streaming and not go to the theater to see it.

It seems to me if they want maximum money made at the box office, they will need like wait a YEAR to put it on streaming and then charge a premium.

Do I want this? NO. But then again, I HATE Park Pass Reservations, I hate a lot of things TWDC does but I just gotta deal with it.

 

[Phroobar]

I will watch it when it's on D+ but would not go to the theater to see it.
I am also waiting for Top Gun to be on streaming to watch it.
This brings up a point. For me at least, IF ANY movie goes to streaming, I will wait for streaming and not go to the theater to see it.

It seems to me if they want maximum money made at the box office, they will need like wait a YEAR to put it on streaming and then charge a premium.

Do I want this? NO. But then again, I HATE Park Pass Reservations, I hate a lot of things TWDC does but I just gotta deal with it.

You can stream Top Gun: Maverick right now from Amazon Prime for $5.99 or wait until Dec 22 for Paramount+ release. You can buy it on BluRay now, rent it from Redbox or be a pirate.

 

[Disstevefan1]

You can stream Top Gun: Maverick right now from Amazon Prime for $5.99 or wait until Dec 22 for Paramount+ release. You can buy it on BluRay now, rent it from Redbox or be a pirate.

I know this. I am waiting for Dec 22.
I signed up for Paramount+ for Strange new Worlds and Tulsa King. Yellowstone is possibly the best thing on TV right now, and its also on Paramount+ but I watch Yellowstone on the day it airs on my cable.

 

[marni1971]

Never heard of it.

 

[King Panda 77]

Never heard of it.

If it wasn't for this site , neither have I.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Does this thread have a higher viewership than the movie? Sorry, I couldn't help it

What's the big deal, Disney put out a stinker. Remember John Carter?

I watched John Carter once it was on streaming, I thought it was a good movie.

I will probably like Strange World, but I am not going to pay to go the theater to see it.

 

[TwilightZone]

If strange world has a second life, it will be a cult classic thing like Treasure Planet, Atlantis, or Meet the Robinsons of the past. I am sure many kiddies with nothing else to watch on D+ would probably grow to really like this movie.

But it probably wont be anything more than that, sadly.

 

[TwilightZone]

You know, I am now just thinking, did this movie fail because people are sick of the new Disney formula? No, the "new Disney formula" is not just the representation side.

How'd I define the new disney forumla

• Set up a main character, often female, who wishes for something or wants something (Anna wants to be reunited with her sister Elsa, Ralph wants to be seen as a hero, Mirabel wants to find her power, Judy wants to work for the police force)
• Have them set off on an adventure despite the feelings of others around them, often in secret
• Along the way they meet the secondary main character(s), often times they are comedic relief (Olaf, Vanelope, Bruno I guess? or the family as a whole, Nick)
• A big dramatic scene happens that changes up the plot. Often tied with a big twist. Often times the twist was the villain's identity (Hans, Turbo/King Candy, the family ideals, that one sheep)
• The hero and their sidekick(s) save the day and society is implied to be changed for the better because of their actions

Add a few moments of trying to be hip with the social media crowd and there you have it.

Anyways, one of the reasons believed why Treasure Planet failed was many were sick of the old Disney formula (which is not too dissimilar to the new one), when Shrek arrived and broke the rules it made bank and became a cultural phenonomon. I guess minions would be the modern Shrek?

 

[Disney Irish]

You know, I am now just thinking, did this movie fail because people are sick of the new Disney formula? No, the "new Disney formula" is not just the representation side.

How'd I define the new disney forumla

• Set up a main character, often female, who wishes for something or wants something (Anna wants to be reunited with her sister Elsa, Ralph wants to be seen as a hero, Mirabel wants to find her power, Judy wants to work for the police force)
• Have them set off on an adventure despite the feelings of others around them, often in secret
• Along the way they meet the secondary main character(s), often times they are comedic relief (Olaf, Vanelope, Bruno I guess? or the family as a whole, Nick)
• A big dramatic scene happens that changes up the plot. Often tied with a big twist. Often times the twist was the villain's identity (Hans, Turbo/King Candy, the family ideals, that one sheep)
• The hero and their sidekick(s) save the day and society is implied to be changed for the better because of their actions

Add a few moments of trying to be hip with the social media crowd and there you have it.

Anyways, one of the reasons believed why Treasure Planet failed was many were sick of the old Disney formula (which is not too dissimilar to the new one), when Shrek arrived and broke the rules it made bank and became a cultural phenonomon. I guess minions would be the modern Shrek?

Are you saying this is a New Coke vs Coca-Cola Classic debate?

 

[TwilightZone]

Are you saying this is a New Coke vs Coca-Cola Classic debate?

It's more like oversaturation makes people weary lol. I think there's merits to both Classic and Modern disney formulas, it just is a lack of variety can cause people to become tired. Like "ok we already seen a story like this from you guys multiple times, when are you gonna give us something new?"

I guess for a food connection, it's like if the only option in town was a Mcdonalds. Sure you may like Mcdonalds, its comforting and familiar, but every once in a while, you would like some fresh groceries too.

Or I guess if Mcdonalds only served hamburgers. You may like their burgers, but what if you want chicken nuggets? This mcdonald's isn't delivering mcnuggets, but hey the Burger King and Carls Jr. across the street just started selling chicken and some other stuff too. Let's check them out instead!

EDIT: Boy coming up with parallels is a lot more interesting than I thought lol

 

[Disney Irish]

It's more like oversaturation makes people weary lol. I think there's merits to both Classic and Modern disney formulas, it just is a lack of variety can cause people to become tired. Like "ok we already seen a story like this from you guys multiple times, when are you gonna give us something new?"

I guess for a food connection, it's like if the only option in town was a Mcdonalds. Sure you may like Mcdonalds, its comforting and familiar, but every once in a while, you would like some fresh groceries too.

Or I guess if Mcdonalds only served hamburgers. You may like their burgers, but what if you want chicken nuggets? This mcdonald's isn't delivering mcnuggets, but hey the Burger King and Carls Jr. across the street just started selling chicken and some other stuff too. Let's check them out instead!

EDIT: Boy coming up with parallels is a lot more interesting than I thought lol

Dunno, in my opinion Disney is trying new types of stories but it seems like they don't resonate with people as much as they used to.

Now is that because of the "formula" or because there is just so much content in the world now that unless there is a "hook", like Bruno in Encanto, that the movies just don't stand out? I would say its more the latter than the former in my opinion.

 

[TwilightZone]

Dunno, in my opinion Disney is trying new types of stories but it seems like they don't resonate with people as much as they used to.

Now is that because of the "formula" or because there is just so much content in the world now that unless there is a "hook", like Bruno in Encanto, that the movies just don't stand out? I would say its more the latter than the former in my opinion.

That's a good point! Encanto had the hook of the songs, especially the catchy Bruno song. Moana had The Rock, whether people would like to admit it or not, plus unique imaginative story. Wreck it Ralph had the video game references. Not really entirely sure about frozen, I guess the amazing visuals?

Strange world has...nothing really that is advertised on TV.

 

[TP2000]

Box office is now out for Monday. Strange World dropped to third place, behind The Menu (which looks really creepy yet interesting!)

Strange World is still in 4,172 theaters, but yesterday averaged about 9 people per theater. Uff Da!

At this rate, Strange World won't break the $20 Million mark until Thursday. Did I already say Uff Da?

 

[Phroobar]

Dunno, in my opinion Disney is trying new types of stories but it seems like they don't resonate with people as much as they used to.

Now is that because of the "formula" or because there is just so much content in the world now that unless there is a "hook", like Bruno in Encanto, that the movies just don't stand out? I would say its more the latter than the former in my opinion.

I think you hit it right on the head. Strange World looked like every low budget Chinese made animated movie out there. There isn't anything that stood out. I said that a lot earlier in this thread but was shouted down by the resident troll.

Treasure Planet got killed by Stitch mania a few months before and that we saw a number of recent retellings of Treasure Island back then. Atlantis was pretty cool but wasn't a princess movie or musical. They all fell the way of Bolt, Meet the Robinsons and Chicken Little.

 

[Prince-1]

I said that a lot earlier in this thread but was shouted down by the resident troll.

Angry Mickey shouldn’t have done that. I’d report him if I were you.

 

[TP2000]

I think you hit it right on the head. Strange World looked like every low budget Chinese made animated movie out there. There isn't anything that stood out. I said that a lot earlier in this thread but was shouted down by the resident troll.

Strange World's character design and aesthetics do look... off. Off brand. Off putting, even. It just doesn't look Disney.

I'd complained earlier that Pixar and Disney Animation now looks the exact same to me, whereas Pixar always looked "modern" while Disney Animation still had a hand-drawn classic look to it even if it was done on computers now.

But that aesthetic difference is now gone entirely. Both brands, Pixar and Disney, look the same to me, so I imagine they look exactly the same to the 99.8% of Americans who don't spend too much time obsessing about Disney stuff online. And now Disney Animation releases vaguely sci-fi stuff that doesn't even have songs or music in them, let alone musical production numbers with singing teapots and dancing townsfolk?

It's yet another reason why I can't figure out what they're now getting from having two separate yet fully funded flagship animation studios 400 miles apart from each other. Why bother anymore? Why not combine the two operations into one single studio in one single location (like beautiful downtown Burbank)?

Merging the two, Pixar Studios and Walt Disney Animation Studios, would save them a heckuva lot of money, that's for sure. And they need to cut costs dramatically right now.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think you hit it right on the head. Strange World looked like every low budget Chinese made animated movie out there. There isn't anything that stood out. I said that a lot earlier in this thread but was shouted down by the resident troll.

Treasure Planet got killed by Stitch mania a few months before and that we saw a number of recent retellings of Treasure Island back then. Atlantis was pretty cool but wasn't a princess movie or musical. They all fell the way of Bolt, Meet the Robinsons and Chicken Little.

Personally I liked the look of Strange World, but then again I tend to be into Sci-Fi and Pulp type stuff.

The problem with Strange World in my opinion is they couldn't market the "good stuff" because it would have gave away the twist at the end. Had they been able to market it as a "Fantastic Voyage" type of animated movie it probably would have been able to stand out a bit.

 

[Disney Irish]

Strange World's character design and aesthetics do look... off. Off brand. Off putting, even. It just doesn't look Disney.

I'd complained earlier that Pixar and Disney Animation now looks the exact same to me, whereas Pixar always looked "modern" while Disney Animation still had a hand-drawn classic look to it even if it was done on computers now.

But that aesthetic difference is now gone entirely. Both brands, Pixar and Disney, look the same to me, so I imagine they look exactly the same to the 99.8% of Americans who don't spend too much time obsessing about Disney stuff online. And now Disney Animation releases vaguely sci-fi stuff that doesn't even have songs or music in them, let alone musical production numbers with singing teapots and dancing townsfolk?

It's yet another reason why I can't figure out what they're now getting from having two separate yet fully funded flagship animation studios 400 miles apart from each other. Why bother anymore? Why not combine the two operations into one single studio in one single location (like beautiful downtown Burbank)?

Merging the two, Pixar Studios and Walt Disney Animation Studios, would save them a heckuva lot of money, that's for sure. And they need to cut costs dramatically right now.

While I still don't think its necessary to merge the two studios, you may get your wish as Iger redoes DMED. As I would suspect that they redo some of the Studios to make distribution channels better at the same time.

 

[TP2000]

Sit thru the credits next movie you watch, and count all the jobs involved.

Oh, I know. And that's a valid point. I used to socialize up in LA on occasion, and there were invariably some "industry" folks in attendance. They love to talk about their otherwise mundane jobs in "the industry" or at "the studio", to the sheer boredom of other party guests.

It appears to be a bloated, wasteful industry with entire battalions of hangers-on and endless ranks of white collar management jobs that do nothing for the actual product, and make for even less impressive party chatter.

I sat through minions and that had lots of people who worked on it. But its budget was only 74 million. I don't see how strange world or lightyear warranted 100 and 125mil more respectively.

That's been the norm for a long time now.

Exactly. Minions cost less than half what Lightyear did, and Minions made almost quadruple the box office as Lightyear.

Using the triple-the-box-office-to-break-even formula several knowledgeable posters here have said is now the norm, the financials on Minions vs. Lightyear is frightening for Burbank. Or at least it should be frightening, if they know what's good for them.

Minions Rise of Gru - Production Budget $80 Million, Global Box Office $938 Million, Profit of $702 Million

Lightyear - Production Budget $200 Million, Global Box Office $226 Million, Loss of at least $174 Million?

This is simply not a sustainable way for Burbank to make movies. Especially now that the losses are adding up with each and every film. Just a bad string of luck? Perhaps. But something has to change ASAP.