'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[Andrew C]

but I couldn't help myself.

Eventually the time bomb goes off, eh?

 

[wdwmagic]

Some of what has been deleted...

 

[ILoveWDW4ever]

This is a false dichotomy to begin with. I’ve made clear multiple times that good storytelling is the most important factor. Representation is in no way a hindrance to it.

I agree! I hate to go back to my Modern Family example, but it really is on the nose. Diversity is no barrier to good story telling.

At Disney, diversity trumps story telling. This is the issue. The keep putting out “entertainment” that’s only diverse and inclusive. Not good.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I did and I should have stopped there but I couldn't help myself.

Same. As you said, though, it’s all going to be deleted, which I happily welcome. Might as well get some words in before that happens lol.

 

[MrPromey]

Same. As you said, though, it’s all going to be deleted, which I happily welcome. Might as well get some words in before that happens lol.

I know I wasn't making Steve's job any easier by feeding the troll which is why I kind of regret it now.

I appreciate that he hasn't banned me after all these years of having slips like this.



EDITED to add:

Also, Steve, I'm sorry we're all calling you "mom" today.

 

[CaptainMickey]

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[CaptainAmerica]

This is a false dichotomy to begin with. I’ve made clear multiple times that good storytelling is the most important factor. Representation is in no way a hindrance to it.

Representation is not a hindrance to storytelling but an obsession with representation is absolutely a hindrance to storytelling.

"I will tell you for the first time we received some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion, and we passed on them."

Dana Walden Says ABC Passed on Pilots for Not Being Inclusive Enough

Walden revealed that "for the first time," the network received "some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

The problem isn't the diversity we see on screen, it's the mindset of the people behind the scenes. They're making conscious decisions to forego quality to achieve their DE&I goals.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Representation is not a hindrance to storytelling but an obsession with representation is absolutely a hindrance to storytelling.

"I will tell you for the first time we received some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion, and we passed on them."

Dana Walden Says ABC Passed on Pilots for Not Being Inclusive Enough

Walden revealed that "for the first time," the network received "some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

The problem isn't the diversity we see on screen, it's the mindset of the people behind the scenes.

This presumes there aren't good scripts that are indeed inclusive.

If you get inclusive scripts that are good and bad. And if you get non-inclusive scripts that are good and bad.

Then why not just go with the best of both worlds: good scripts that are inclusive?

This isn't crazy. Or hard.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This presumes there aren't good scripts that are indeed inclusive.

If you get inclusive scripts that are good and bad. And if you get non-inclusive scripts that are good and bad.

Then why not just go with the best of both worlds: good scripts that are inclusive?

This isn't crazy. Or hard.

I think you overestimate the number of good scripts there are.

 

[LittleBuford]

This presumes there aren't good scripts that are indeed inclusive.

If you get inclusive scripts that are good and bad. And if you get non-inclusive scripts that are good and bad.

Then why not just go with the best of both worlds: good scripts that are inclusive?

This isn't crazy. Or hard.

Exactly this.

 

[Jedijax719]

Representation is not a hindrance to storytelling but an obsession with representation is absolutely a hindrance to storytelling.

"I will tell you for the first time we received some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion, and we passed on them."

Dana Walden Says ABC Passed on Pilots for Not Being Inclusive Enough

Walden revealed that "for the first time," the network received "some incredibly well-written scripts that did not satisfy our standards in terms of inclusion."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

The problem isn't the diversity we see on screen, it's the mindset of the people behind the scenes. They're making conscious decisions to forego quality to achieve their DE&I goals.

Okay, I will say that THAT'S a problem, especially with waning viewership and theater attendance. I'm sure there's a way to have inclusion in said "incredibly well-written"scripts if need be. I mean, that can be accomplished with casting.

Does inclusion mean including actors/actresses from certain groups or including characters from certain groups? Problem is that if you cast someone from a certain ethnicity or race, they will retain that race in the show. That's a visual aspect of the person. If you cast someone with a certain sexual orientation or identity, it's as if you HAVE to make their preference or identity a vital part of their character to make that aspect of inclusion known. That's because their characteristic is about behavior and lifestyle, mostly in private life rather than a physical attribute like race or a handicap. How do you show sexual inclusion without making the sexuality an aspect of the character's plot? I can fully understand the choppy waters there.

But that's ABC. Not sure to what extent that applies to other shows or movies. I mean-how many people even watch network tv anymore lol.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Okay, I will say that THAT'S a problem, especially with waning viewership and theater attendance. I'm sure there's a way to have inclusion in said "incredibly well-written"scripts if need be. I mean, that can be accomplished with casting.

Does inclusion mean including actors/actresses from certain groups or including characters from certain groups? Problem is that if you cast someone from a certain ethnicity or race, they will retain that race in the show. That's a visual aspect of the person. If you cast someone with a certain sexual preference or identity, it's as if you HAVE to make their preference or identity a vital part of their character to make that aspect of inclusion known. That's because their characteristic is about behavior and lifestyle, mostly in private life rather than a physical attribute like race or a handicap. How do you show sexual inclusion without making the sexuality an aspect of the character's plot? I can fully understand the choppy waters there.

But that's ABC. Not sure to what extent that applies to other shows or movies. I mean-how many people even watch network tv anymore lol.

Network TV saved Disney during the pandemic.

 

[ILoveWDW4ever]

This isn't crazy. Or hard.

Except it seems to be quite hard for current Dis.

 

[mickEblu]

This presumes there aren't good scripts that are indeed inclusive.

If you get inclusive scripts that are good and bad. And if you get non-inclusive scripts that are good and bad.

Then why not just go with the best of both worlds: good scripts that are inclusive?

This isn't crazy. Or hard.

Well what do you mean by inclusive? I will say I’d rather have an all Black, all Asian, all Latino cast 10x out of 10 over a movie that appears to check all the boxes like Strange World. Just feels more organic and less forced. Not to say you don’t have diverse families/ groups of friends or that it’s impossible to make good content when a few different boxes are checked. See Modern Family. I guess it comes down to intent and the creative process. But I also think we view Disney animated films as being a little more sacred due to nostalgia and the fact they cater to our young children. So what flies for an evening sitcom doesn’t necessarily fly for a Disney cartoon.

 

[mickEblu]

Earlier I made a comment about it being “a bit too much too fast” and I want to elaborate on that @LittleBuford. Most of us here are Disney super fans so let’s look at this from the lens of parks fan as well. In early 2022 they take the words “ladies and gentlemen” out of the Electric parade. Ladies and F’in Gentlemen! Then they come out with Lightyear and Strange World back to back. Do you honestly think this is good approach? Also understand that people opposed to this kind of stuff lump all of it together. To you, the non binary stuff and the inclusion we see in Lightyear and Strange World may very different things. To many it’s all same. Just being hit over the head with politically correct virtue signaling inclusion and changing everything almost overnight. I think the Gender identity stuff being lumped in with the LGBT movement is the worst thing that could have happened for you guys.

When you take the harmless words “Ladies and Gentlemen” out of a 50 year old parade “you” and any movement/ political party/ ideology that you are associated with have lost me.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Part of this stems from heterosexuality being normative and homosexuality being taboo likely in the era you grew up. That makes homosexuality unfortunately seen more 'sexualized' than it really should be. Little Mermaid by all accounts is a kind of raunchy film and I assume something you would have seen during your own childhood.

Why Childrens films matter is because if they become an indiscriminate lens homosexuality becomes more 'normative' and therefore less sexualized for a future generation. I think the goal is to make it normal, but unfortunately the implication that a gay crush is inappropriate, but a straight one is... then gay isn't really normal.

(American) Society isn't clearly there yet, you are right. But I do think that's why Children's movies actually do matter for the next generation.

I can say up until my daughter was about 11, anytime she saw kissing on tv she would cover her head with a blanket. Even The Little Mermaind.

 

[Andrew C]

I can say up until my daughter was about 11, anytime she saw kissing on tv she would cover her head with a blanket. Even The Little Mermaind.

I still do that...kissing is gross.

 

[Phroobar]

Except it is not breaking even..it will make 100 million in profit at the very least

Edit: It is still ahead of Strange MOM at this point in it’s run and that made close to a billion

There is no proof a 100 million profit right now.
Every movie makes a profit eventually. You just need to wait long enough.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Every movie makes a profit eventually. You just need to wait long enough.

Strange World accepts your challenge!

 

[oogie boogie man]

Decided to look back earlier in this thread for historical reasons I suppose lol

That's good my man, gotta keep people honest. There's seems to be a lot of people who say things look great, even when they don't.