Storyliving by Disney - a Disney-branded, master-planned home community

[Dear Prudence]

Because California isn't having a drought or anything.....

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wonder if there plans in place for more of these, like the abandoned DVCs for National Harbour, Newport Beach, DLP etc.

I could see a similar plan for somewhere in Florida, not WDW like celebration but just close enough to use it for marketing, or perhaps that long rumoured Texas project storyliving davy crocket style at the alamo!

The announcement said there would be other locations.

 

[Parteecia]

Water access is Genie+ upgrade, or is it Club 33:

The Cotino community will surround a “24-acre grand oasis featuring clear turquoise water” and include estates, single-family homes and condominiums. An optional club membership will confer access to a waterfront clubhouse, a club-only beach area and recreational water activities.

I wonder if the "estates" can have pools?

Disney developing 'storyliving' towns for Californians who want to live surrounded by Disney

Walt Disney Co. says it is moving beyond 'storytelling' and into 'storyliving' with a string of real estate projects, beginning in the Coachella Valley.

www.latimes.com

 

[_caleb]

I'm glad he thinks he likes Disney and got to build a probably-very-special-to-him La Quinta, but...what???

LOL La Quinta is a city and he designed the “Trilogy” retirement community built by Shae builders.

 

[TP2000]

I wonder if the "estates" can have pools?

Good question, but my guess is yes. Because...

I know a couple from Seattle that now live in the Trilogy community in La Quinta. The place is full of lakes and lagoons and community pools and is surrounded by greenbelts fed by water from Colorado. Everyone there owns at least one Tesla and a golf cart.

But they are building a pool and a jacuzzi in their backyard. I know this because I'm supposed to go have dinner at their place in April when I stay in nearby Rancho Mirage for Easter vacation, and three times now their emails have mentioned how excited they are to give me a tour of their pool construction. It might even be filled by Easter!

If you live in a master-planned community in the Coachella Valley, whether it's managed by Trilogy or Disney or the Annenbergs, apparently a backyard pool is needed to prove you truly belong. Don't ask me to explain.

 

[TP2000]

Why isn't this done close to Disney World or Disneyland? Building something like this in the middle of the desert is a waste. Disney, please remember what realtors say about "location, location, location."

It's apparent you are not familiar with the demographics and socio-economics of the Coachella Valley.

And Rancho Mirage, where this new Disney licensed development will be, has the most enviable demographics in the whole valley in the 2020's. It's location is one of the few things that actually makes sense about this "Storytelling".

 

[spock8113]

To me, this is frightening and they seem to be appealing to...................................I can't even guess. People who want to be hippies from the 60's to "Turn on, tune in, cop out." Groovy, man. What is Disney thinking or more importantly, what is Disney?
Just imagine showing up at "The Office" and you go into Michael Scott's Conference Room dressed like Peter Pan or Tobie.
Since subdivisions were conceived back when GIs were returning home from WWII, they have always been presented as a Utopia (not Autopia) of perfect living with a peaceful and safe way of life (Like Lyon Estates in Back to the Future) BORING!!!!! The perception of the perfect neighborhood with perfect neighbors exists nowhere and this philosophy simply sells that notion of escapism where you tune out from everything. Just watch the TV series "The prisoner" with Patrick McGoohan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner
You can't escape life, you have to live it.
Now if you want to live the Stepford Wives lives where "Just a Spoonful of Sugar" whispers from every speaker on the street 24-7, then this is just for you, just watch your husbands!
Experimental COMMUNITY of Tomorrow. What happened to that?

 

[Parteecia]

Good question, but my guess is yes. Because...

I know a couple from Seattle that now live in the Trilogy community in La Quinta. The place is full of lakes and lagoons and community pools and is surrounded by greenbelts fed by water from Colorado. Everyone there owns at least one Tesla and a golf cart.

But they are building a pool and a jacuzzi in their backyard. I know this because I'm supposed to go have dinner at their place in April when I stay in nearby Rancho Mirage for Easter vacation, and three times now their emails have mentioned how excited they are to give me a tour of their pool construction. It might even be filled by Easter!

If you live in a master-planned community in the Coachella Valley, whether it's managed by Trilogy or Disney or the Annenbergs, apparently a backyard pool is needed to prove you truly belong. Don't ask me to explain.

Pools for the estates, most likely the single family homes, and who would buy a condo in the desert without a community pool?

Where is all the water coming from, especially in, as Dear Prudence pointed out, a drought, and the worst in 1,200 years at that? I don't think the Colorado allotment can be enough.

I'm going to go sit by my pool and think about it.

 

[Parteecia]

Pools for the estates, most likely the single family homes, and who would buy a condo in the desert without a community pool?

Where is all the water coming from, especially in, as Dear Prudence pointed out, a drought, and the worst in 1,200 years at that? I dont think the Colorado allotment can be enough.

I'm going to go sit by my pool and think about it.

Answered my own question:

Fortunately, Metzger said the Coachella Valley sits on top of a healthy and robust groundwater basin. “Under our feet, hundreds of feet below lots of water there. And on top of that, we have decades of good water management, which means we're not just sucking the water out, we're actually replenishing that water. we're bringing in water from other places.”

Megadrought grips California, impacting the Coachella Valley - KESQ

California, along with the Western U.S., is in its worst drought in centuries, scientists reported this week. A study published in Nature Climate Change found the period from 2000 to 2021 was the driest in 1,200 years. Last year’s drought severity was “exceptional,” researchers said, and all...

kesq.com

 

[No Name]

To me, this is frightening and they seem to be appealing to...................................I can't even guess. People who want to be hippies from the 60's to "Turn on, tune in, cop out." Groovy, man. What is Disney thinking or more importantly, what is Disney?
Just imagine showing up at "The Office" and you go into Michael Scott's Conference Room dressed like Peter Pan or Tobie.
Since subdivisions were conceived back when GIs were returning home from WWII, they have always been presented as a Utopia (not Autopia) of perfect living with a peaceful and safe way of life (Like Lyon Estates in Back to the Future) BORING!!!!! The perception of the perfect neighborhood with perfect neighbors exists nowhere and this philosophy simply sells that notion of escapism where you tune out from everything. Just watch the TV series "The prisoner" with Patrick McGoohan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner
You can't escape life, you have to live it.
Now if you want to live the Stepford Wives lives where "Just a Spoonful of Sugar" whispers from every speaker on the street 24-7, then this is just for you, just watch your husbands!
Experimental COMMUNITY of Tomorrow. What happened to that?

Thank you for sharing this highly coherent and perfectly logical thought.

 

[DLR92]

Good question, but my guess is yes. Because...

I know a couple from Seattle that now live in the Trilogy community in La Quinta. The place is full of lakes and lagoons and community pools and is surrounded by greenbelts fed by water from Colorado. Everyone there owns at least one Tesla and a golf cart.

But they are building a pool and a jacuzzi in their backyard. I know this because I'm supposed to go have dinner at their place in April when I stay in nearby Rancho Mirage for Easter vacation, and three times now their emails have mentioned how excited they are to give me a tour of their pool construction. It might even be filled by Easter!

If you live in a master-planned community in the Coachella Valley, whether it's managed by Trilogy or Disney or the Annenbergs, apparently a backyard pool is needed to prove you truly belong. Don't ask me to explain.

What if I just want a majestic koi pond?

 

[DLR92]

Pools for the estates, most likely the single family homes, and who would buy a condo in the desert without a community pool?

Where is all the water coming from, especially in, as Dear Prudence pointed out, a drought, and the worst in 1,200 years at that? I dont think the Colorado allotment can be enough.

I'm going to go sit by my pool and think about it.

California might be in a drough. But this desert region has active year round desert oasis. This desert support unique animals like this tiny fish-Desert Pupfish. Also contain state species of concern-Western Pond Turtles (biologist thinks they are transplant from coastal population than believing it another true isolated desert population like found in Mojave desert)

 

[CaptinEO]

Who wants to bet how long until Disney dumps this to another company? 10 years?

 

[TP2000]

Who wants to bet how long until Disney dumps this to another company? 10 years?

You are assuming it actually gets built. There was no timeline or opening date given for this project. Interest rates are going to rise quickly very soon, a massive correction is coming to housing, and a recession looms closer by the day.

That's not a good scenario for selling second homes to upper-middle class folks and/or condos to middle class folks.

Disney has plenty of experience releasing splashy press releases with vague concept art like this for concepts that never actually saw the light of day. Just off the top of my head, there was supposed to be a half dozen other Aulani-like properties around the world's resort areas by now, and I remember about 15 years ago when Jay Rasulo announced Disney would be getting into the regional entertainment center business.

 

[Disney Irish]

Interest rates are going to rise quickly very soon, a massive correction is coming to housing, and a recession looms closer by the day.

Don't expect these things to all happen, especially in the next 18-24 months. Indicators show that while a slight correction to the economy might happen this year or in 2023, especially compared to 2021, a recession is not looming, at least not yet. And while inflation is a worry, and rates will rise to combat that it's not going to cause housing prices, especially in California, to have a massive correction. Heck not even the Financial Crisis of 2007/2008, caused by the housing refinance bubble of the early 2000s, made the housing prices correct themselves, they continued to go up. We have a housing supply shortage in this country, until that is addressed prices won't be going anywhere but up.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Answered my own question:

Fortunately, Metzger said the Coachella Valley sits on top of a healthy and robust groundwater basin. “Under our feet, hundreds of feet below lots of water there. And on top of that, we have decades of good water management, which means we're not just sucking the water out, we're actually replenishing that water. we're bringing in water from other places.”

I've toured with the Coachella Valley Water District and have inspected some of the levees out there that they have a stake in. They have an impressive operation going and are shining examples of water management. They are replenishing their sources and even sell off water to other areas due to surpluses. Even with all the expansion in the area, they're doing phenomenal work and keeping ahead of the game. When I was there first years ago, they were already constructing hexavalent chromium (of Erin Brokovich fame) monitoring centers prior to new CA laws going in place requiring monitoring of the stuff. I've also recently interviewed with a groundwater company that does GW exploration and modeling for Coachella and they have nothing but great things to say about the water situation in the lower desert.

Having said that praise about the lower desert... the upper desert is screwed. There's no water in Victorville, Barstow, into Newberry Springs etc...

 

[Lilofan]

Who wants to bet how long until Disney dumps this to another company? 10 years?

If it is the buy low sell high approach, that's nothing new .

 

[TP2000]

Heck not even the Financial Crisis of 2007/2008, caused by the housing refinance bubble of the early 2000s, made the housing prices correct themselves, they continued to go up.

In what underground bomb shelter did you spend the years 2007-2010 to not know that California housing prices suffered a huge drop? And did you get tired of eating canned soup when you were down there for so long?

 

[TP2000]

Answered my own question:

Fortunately, Metzger said the Coachella Valley sits on top of a healthy and robust groundwater basin. “Under our feet, hundreds of feet below lots of water there. And on top of that, we have decades of good water management, which means we're not just sucking the water out, we're actually replenishing that water. we're bringing in water from other places.”

Megadrought grips California, impacting the Coachella Valley - KESQ

California, along with the Western U.S., is in its worst drought in centuries, scientists reported this week. A study published in Nature Climate Change found the period from 2000 to 2021 was the driest in 1,200 years. Last year’s drought severity was “exceptional,” researchers said, and all...

kesq.com

Interesting! Sounds just like Orange County, with it's late 20th century project to force billions of gallons of water every winter into the underground aquifer that runs from Anaheim Hills to Huntington Beach. Then in summer and fall they pump water out of that natural aquifer and dramatically limit the amount of water required from state sources.

I remember in the last big drought in the mid 2010's, we here in central OC didn't have any water restrictions at all. We just kept watering our lawns, performing World of Color and Fantasmic! every night atomizing thousands of gallons of water into the air, filling our pools and hot tubs, the high school kids kept having car wash-a-thons, I took my usual long showers and added extra rinse cycles to the laundry to get that April Fresh scent infused into clothes, etc., etc.

Meanwhile, some parts of California during that drought had mandatory water rationing, etc.

It all depends on where you live, and how that county/community has planned for its future. OC has planned for its future. It sounds like the Coachella Valley has to, which would explain all the lakes and water fountains out there.

 

[Disney Irish]

In what underground bomb shelter did you spend the years 2007-2010 to not know that California housing prices suffered a huge drop? And did you get tired of eating canned soup when you were down there for so long?

On average in the US prices dropped 10-30% not a "huge" drop compared to what prices have done since the 70s.

Just look at the housing price index for the US which comes directly from the FED -

That small dip in 2007/2008 was nothing. Some places (and people) got hit harder than others, but the average for the US as a whole wasn't the correction some think it was. The US literally would have to have a dip almost 5x worse over before it really made a dent in housing prices across the board.

Also just an FYI I sold mortgages in the mid-2000s, so I was right in the thick of it when things started.