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Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Yeah, I guess that could be done....but as it is now it'd be a bit difficult
Agreed. Not likely to happen. If they really wanted to use the area efficiently they would expand into Cosmic Rays and relocate the food to Tomorrowland Terrace which is never open except for upcharge dessert parties. Probably why that won’t happen either.
 

Skipper2

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Agreed. Not likely to happen. If they really wanted to use the area efficiently they would expand into Cosmic Rays and relocate the food to Tomorrowland Terrace which is never open except for upcharge dessert parties. Probably why that won’t happen either.
Thats why my idea was only worth 2 cents. :)
 

OSX

Active Member
I think the best possible thing they could do is bring back the original gleaming white Tomorrowland of 1971...and then exaggerate it a bit .
Most likely going to be an unpopular opinion, but they should really go with a "Fallout" style type of Tomorrowland. Make it seem futuristic but set the timeline of the land in a weird version of the 1960's. Also have songs from that era being the area music, with a disk jockey that's playing the music throughout the land. Taking a page out of Galaxy's Edge, have the disk jockey be a robot, or in this case, S.I.R.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
With the new Galaxy's Edge and Pandora, a dystopian fallout style is the last thing I want to see at the Magic Kingdom... Not the hopeful gleaming beautiful fantasy of the future but another battle scarred, war torn world...No thanks...Give me gleaming spires and beautiful eye candy...Dreams of the future...not angst inducing nightmare visions...
 

OSX

Active Member
With the new Galaxy's Edge and Pandora, a dystopian fallout style is the last thing I want to see at the Magic Kingdom... Not the hopeful gleaming beautiful fantasy of the future but another battle scarred, war torn world...No thanks...Give me gleaming spires and beautiful eye candy...Dreams of the future...not angst inducing nightmare visions...
There is no way a pristine and clean aesthetic of Tomorrowland would look even good in the smoldering heat of Florida. Not to mention the hurricanes and the thunderstorms that happen on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I like that classic look of Tomorrowland where everything is white and it looks as if it came straight out of 'Logan's Run', but the environment would ultimately destroy that look.
 
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lazyboy97o

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There is no way a pristine and clean aesthetic of Tomorrowland would look even good in the smoldering heat of Florida. Not to mention the hurricanes and the thunderstorms that happen on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I like that classic look of Tomorrowland where everything is white and it looks as if it came straight out of 'Logan's Run', but the environment would ultimately destroy that look.
Not if the appropriate materials and finishes are selected.
 

Bocabear

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There is no way a pristine and clean aesthetic of Tomorrowland would look even good in the smoldering heat of Florida. Not to mention the hurricanes and the thunderstorms that happen on a daily basis. Don't get me wrong, I like that classic look of Tomorrowland where everything is white and it looks as if it came straight out of 'Logan's Run', but the environment would ultimately destroy that look.
Ummm it kind of stood the test of time already before the refurb in the 90s...and that was just for aesthetics...for something new...not because it wasn't holding up... So do you suggest making everything look moldy and aged so it won't show it if all maintenance ends?
The whole point of the Magic Kingdom is supposed to be a land of fantasy... not a land of ruined dreams and distressed finishes on everything including the parts of the park that are supposed to be a brilliant utopian future...
 

OSX

Active Member
So do you suggest making everything look moldy and aged so it won't show it if all maintenance ends?
The whole point of the Magic Kingdom is supposed to be a land of fantasy... not a land of ruined dreams and distressed finishes on everything including the parts of the park that are supposed to be a brilliant utopian future...
Magic Kingdom is a stroll back in time to the turn of the century, a courtyard of fantasy, a treacherous frontier into the heart of adventure, a place of laughter and billy goats atop mountain ranges, as well as a place of science fiction. MK is a lot of things, don't just mistake it for a "land of fantasy". The vision of rebuilding a future by coming together and working in harmony can be a great tune for Tomorrowland to sing. Yes, it's dystopian, but if they instill a message of teamwork and unity, Tomorrowland (while might not look visually appealing) will be so much more intriguing.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Magic Kingdom is a stroll back in time to the turn of the century, a courtyard of fantasy, a treacherous frontier into the heart of adventure, a place of laughter and billy goats atop mountain ranges, as well as a place of science fiction. MK is a lot of things, don't just mistake it for a "land of fantasy". The vision of rebuilding a future by coming together and working in harmony can be a great tune for Tomorrowland to sing. Yes, it's dystopian, but if they instill a message of teamwork and unity, Tomorrowland (while might not look visually appealing) will be so much more intriguing.
I am not understanding what you are saying at all... so a run down, non fantasy version of Tomorrowland with a message of work and unity is what you are advocating? It sounds like China...
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
I think the romanticized "future that never was" idea is the best for tomorrowland. The "future" problem has always applied to that area. I am one of the few that thinks the overall land story is solid in TL (not necessarily what they have put in). The Discoveryland version at DLP also works. I think a retro-forward future fits the overall theme of MK the best.

Tron will look highly dated in the not too distant future. And anything "contemporary" will do the same. I think retro-future is the best way to go (though no signs are saying that is what will happen).
 

wdwgreek

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I think the romanticized "future that never was" idea is the best for tomorrowland. The "future" problem has always applied to that area. I am one of the few that thinks the overall land story is solid in TL (not necessarily what they have put in). The Discoveryland version at DLP also works. I think a retro-forward future fits the overall theme of MK the best.

Tron will look highly dated in the not too distant future. And anything "contemporary" will do the same. I think retro-future is the best way to go (though no signs are saying that is what will happen).
The scifi city of the future is an excellent ascetic if only it was properly maintained and cared for without stuffing in jarring IP connections.
 

hauntology

Active Member
So many people love retrofuturism already (look up my username as a philosophical ideal by Mark Fisher) that they just need to stick with the most aesthetically pleasing "retrofuture" that will hold up for years to come as being some kind of "timeless" retro future. Oxymoronic in a way. Certain design movements are inherently timeless because of their success and ability to be put in place. Tomorrowland needs a whole overhaul, but the fix is def. possible.
 

tirian

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I think the romanticized "future that never was" idea is the best for tomorrowland. The "future" problem has always applied to that area. I am one of the few that thinks the overall land story is solid in TL (not necessarily what they have put in). The Discoveryland version at DLP also works. I think a retro-forward future fits the overall theme of MK the best.

Tron will look highly dated in the not too distant future. And anything "contemporary" will do the same. I think retro-future is the best way to go (though no signs are saying that is what will happen).
I agree. In ‘94, WDI opened one of the best TL areas with the MK’s Buck Rogers-style. The original “Future That Never Was” — with Space Mt, TTA, Astro Orbiter, the Timekeeper, and Alien Encounter — was one of the strongest concepts in WDI’s portfolio. In addition to those, the land had DreamFlight (soon to be Buzz), the Carousel of Progress, the Speedway, a jam-packed arcade, and a theater that regularly featured live stage entertainment! And in the 90s, Cosmic Ray’s frequently used its floor stage for small bands. This was one of the most complete lands Disney ever built in the States.

If only WDI had completed the Buck Rogers theming beyond the Astro Orbiter! Then we might still have the retro sci-fi beauty of TL ‘94.

I enjoy the classic aesthetic of old-school white TL, but IMO TL ‘94 was a more successful style.
 

hauntology

Active Member
I agree. In ‘94, WDI opened one of the best TL areas with the MK’s Buck Rogers-style. The original “Future That Never Was” — with Space Mt, TTA, Astro Orbiter, the Timekeeper, and Alien Encounter — was one of the strongest concepts in WDI’s portfolio. In addition to those, the land had DreamFlight (soon to be Buzz), the Carousel of Progress, the Speedway, a jam-packed arcade, and a theater that regularly featured live stage entertainment! And in the 90s, Cosmic Ray’s frequently used its floor stage for small bands. This was one of the most complete lands Disney ever built in the States.

If only WDI had completed the Buck Rogers theming beyond the Astro Orbiter! Then we might still have the retro sci-fi beauty of TL ‘94.

I enjoy the classic aesthetic of old-school white TL, but IMO TL ‘94 was a more successful style.

I think what made 94 Tomorrowland so successful is the cohesive story/"sci fi city" ala Eddie Soto (was he the imagineer in charge?)

It was so thoroughly convincing to me as a kid; I would see the posters along the queue for The Timekeeper for conventions in space and wondered why I couldn't go.
 

hauntology

Active Member
I know Eddie Sotto worked in the never-built Tokyo Sci-fi city concept, but not sure if he was involved in the '94 WDW one
I think the Sci-Fi City concept was loosely applied to MK Tomorrowland but maybe that's why I thought he had worked on it a bit. You know, because there were "convention centers" and such
 

TrainChasers

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I liked the idea of the 1994 Tomorrowland as well. Would have been really cool if they could have made dreamflight into a “horizons light” showing how life is and all. Would be a bit more cartoon / fictional than the actual horizons.... but could have used that same idea.
 
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