Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

[TwilightZone]

That isn't what I'm talking about.
The Void's involvement with Disney extends beyond merely leveraging their IP- the current Star Wars program involved a significant amount of cooperation to the extent that they had actors and sets from the Rogue One production making things for use in the experience. Presumably, the Wreck it Ralph program is receiving similar cooperation from Walt Disney Animation Studios, and I would expect the intro short film to be produced directly by WDAS, in addition to custom audio and dialogue recorded.

What I'm wondering is whether the work being done both by Disney and the Void for this project was mistakenly assumed by someone to be intended for an in-park VR experience, and that misunderstanding, possibly passed from person to person, was the source of the rumor.

To answer your question, it was not a mix up with the void or misunderstanding. It was shared by marni who is REALLY good at keeping rumors in check and accurate. The ralph ride was going to be a theater like ride that was vr, then 3d, then 2d, then nothing.

 

[Cesar R M]

You do know that Food Rocks was replaced by a guest favorite: Soarin', right?

And yes, while it's odd and disappointing that Innoventions and SGE are going unused, it's extremely unlikely that they will never get a replacement.

But, keep trying to spin that we're constantly losing stuff when Pandora replaced a temporary M&G, TSL replaced actual back stage, they added the Sunset Theater, and TRON and Guardians are adding to the parks' footprints by taking over unused land.

Didnt Toy story land replace the Back tour?
Pandora yeah, but then the park was pretty much unbuilt.. and they just closed Rafiki.
Guardians on unused land? I guess it counts considering it ate Energy's footprint.

 

[Kman101]

I live in a strange experience in that my fiancée did not grow up with WDW and her experience is that its great. She doesn't really know anything else and her experience with the attractions is vastly different than mine. She loves ToT, TT, Soarin, EE, etc...She didn't understand the appeal of PotC and HM...the classics...she enjoyed them, but they don't hold any sort of nostalgia for her.

My kids are twin 13s and a 15 year old...they know some recent history and find nostalgia in rides like TT, original Soarin and the "classics" because they grew up with them. They have no knowledge of WoM, WoL, JII, etc...There isn't a consideration there for "what had been", except in some very recent situations...Frozen and TTv2.

For me, I have been going since 1980, so its all really clear what has changed. My experience is that the vast majority of guests aren't "us" and don't really have a frame of reference to judge now vs then...only to judge now vs Universal or Six Flags.

I think people genuinely don't seem to recognize that some are fans of what's there now because that's all they know. I wish more would remember that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Didnt Toy story land replace the Back tour?
Pandora yeah, but then the park was pretty much unbuilt.. and they just closed Rafiki.
Guardians on unused land? I guess it counts considering it ate Energy's footprint.

Back Lot Tour, at the time it ended, went through areas that are now occupied both by TSL and SWL. TSL took over not only space that was occupied by BLT but also space that was actual back stage where there were no attractions at all.

Between TSL and SWL what was lost was:

• an already shuttered Back Lot Tour
• the car stunt show
• a playground
• a flex theater

A new flex theater was built (Sunset Theater). And 4 new rides will have been added, 2 of them E-Tickets. And 2 new 'lands' to replace the 'land' of Back Streets of America. So, DHS's footprint expanded with the back stage areas taken over by TSL and Sunset Theater (not to mention all the new parking and the SW Resort).

WRT Pandora: An unbuilt pad is an unbuilt pad and will be unbuilt forever until they build. Once they do build, that should be considered a park expansion. The new Fantasyland expansion was considered an expansion and not "well, they just built on the land they were supposed to the whole time!!" Adding more footprint to the park is expansion and the dismissal of such is the point of view of those who don't want to give Disney any credit for anything.

In that regard, TRON is extending the footprint of MK. Don't know anyone saying "well, that's a pad that should have been built up all along so, I won't count it as an expansion!"

Similarly, UoE is being replaced by a new ride, and so, it's easy to think of this as just a one for one trade off. Except that the new ride has added a giant plot and expanded the footprint of UoE, and thus, expanded the footprint of Epcot. Think of it this way, they *could* have put the Guardians coaster in UoE and taken over WoL as its queue. But they didn't. They went beyond the parks boundaries and expanded the park's footprint.

The park's in-use-for-guests footprint will expand some more for Ratatouille, Brazil, and Poppins.

 

[zombiebbq]

Back Lot Tour, at the time it ended, went through areas that are now occupied both by TSL and SWL. TSL took over not only space that was occupied by BLT but also space that was actual back stage where there were no attractions at all.

Between TSL and SWL what was lost was:

• an already shuttered Back Lot Tour
• the car stunt show
• a playground
• a flex theater

A new flex theater was built (Sunset Theater). And 4 new rides will have been added, 2 of them E-Tickets. And 2 new 'lands' to replace the 'land' of Back Streets of America. So, DHS's footprint expanded with the back stage areas taken over by TSL and Sunset Theater (not to mention all the new parking and the SW Resort).

WRT Pandora: An unbuilt pad is an unbuilt pad and will be unbuilt forever until they build. Once they do build, that should be considered a park expansion. The new Fantasyland expansion was considered an expansion and not "well, they just built on the land they were supposed to the whole time!!" Adding more footprint to the park is expansion and the dismissal of such is the point of view of those who don't want to give Disney any credit for anything.

In that regard, TRON is extending the footprint of MK. Don't know anyone saying "well, that's a pad that should have been built up all along so, I won't count it as an expansion!"

Similarly, UoE is being replaced by a new ride, and so, it's easy to think of this as just a one for one trade off. Except that the new ride has added a giant plot and expanded the footprint of UoE, and thus, expanded the footprint of Epcot. Think of it this way, they *could* have put the Guardians coaster in UoE and taken over WoL as its queue. But they didn't. They went beyond the parks boundaries and expanded the park's footprint.

The park's in-use-for-guests footprint will expand some more for Ratatouille, Brazil, and Poppins.

I'm somewhat in agreement with you however closing a ride, constructing a new one in the same space but making the show building bigger for said new ride is not really expanding the footprint of the park unless you are being incredibly literal in your definition of "expansion". to me the best version of expansion is: a.opening new rides without closing others and b. not letting rides go empty and abandoned.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm somewhat in agreement with you however closing a ride, constructing a new one in the same space but making the show building bigger for said new ride is not really expanding the footprint of the park unless you are being incredibly literal in your definition of "expansion". to me the best version of expansion is: a.opening new rides without closing others and b. not letting rides go empty and abandoned.

If they had put GotG queue and ride within the current bounds, then that leaves less space for another attraction. They didn't do that. Thus, they have more land now than they did before for all the stuff. That's literally an expansion.

 

[zombiebbq]

If they had put GotG queue and ride within the current bounds, then that leaves less space for another attraction. They didn't do that. Thus, they have more land now than they did before for all the stuff. That's literally an expansion.

Sure- it's "literally" an expansion- I'm just wondering why expansion is being thrown around when there are underused/abandoned attractions and show buildings throughout the parks. I'll agree that expansion is actually taking place when all previously built space is being used. Record crowds...record profits...there should be 0 non-utilized attractions PLUS more being built.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Sure- it's "literally" an expansion- I'm just wondering why expansion is being thrown around when there are underused/abandoned attractions and show buildings throughout the parks. I'll agree that expansion is actually taking place when all previously built space is being used. Record crowds...record profits...there should be 0 non-utilized attractions PLUS more being built.

Well, that's what we've been talking about. Unused space. That points to "getting less and less." But, when we look at how the unused space is slated for a new attraction, and how there are other attractions being put in place that are expanding the parks' footprint adding to the total number of attractions, then the claim "We're getting less and less" isn't true.

 

[zombiebbq]

Well, that's what we've been talking about. Unused space. That points to "getting less and less." But, when we look at how the unused space is slated for a new attraction, and how there are other attractions being put in place that are expanding the parks' footprint adding to the total number of attractions, then the claim "We're getting less and less" isn't true.

Ten years or more down the line... absolutely! What's the excuse for the past ten years?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Ten years or more down the line... absolutely! What's the excuse for the past ten years?

The extra attractions are happening right now, not ten years from now. Most, if not all, the empty spaces will be filled in two-three years.

As for the past ten years, that's not what we've been talking about. The premise is that *right now* we're getting less and less and that's demonstrably not true.

 

[roj2323]

TSL took over a large chunk of true back stage areas as well as some of BLT. SWL is taking over the rest.

The upshot is that where there once was two attractions, there will be four.

TSL did take up quite a bit of backstage areas but SWL is mostly reusing on stage / attraction areas. The thing with SWL is they are just making more efficient use of the space. you have to remember that Lights motors Action was a terrible use of space and was far more spread out than it needed to be.

 

[mikejs78]

TSL did take up quite a bit of backstage areas but SWL is mostly reusing on stage / attraction areas. The thing with SWL is they are just making more efficient use of the space. you have to remember that Lights motors Action was a terrible use of space and was far more spread out than it needed to be.

And I have to believe that the Star Wars attractions will be better and more repeatable than LMA.

 

[mikejs78]

TSL did take up quite a bit of backstage areas but SWL is mostly reusing on stage / attraction areas. The thing with SWL is they are just making more efficient use of the space. you have to remember that Lights motors Action was a terrible use of space and was far more spread out than it needed to be.

Everyone always talks about how many rides a park has. At it's peak, DHS only had (debetably) had 6 rides - GMR, BLT, ST, ToT, TSMM, and RnRC. We lost BLT and GMR and have gained/are gaining SDD, Alien, Battle Escape, Falcon, and Mickey. So that's a net gain of +3 rides in a park that never had a lot of rides.

 

[marni1971]

Everyone always talks about how many rides a park has. At it's peak, DHS only had (debetably) had 6 rides - GMR, BLT, ST, ToT, TSMM, and RnRC. We lost BLT and GMR and have gained/are gaining SDD, Alien, Battle Escape, Falcon, and Mickey. So that's a net gain of +3 rides in a park that never had a lot of rides.

Disney parks are renowned for having “attractions” as opposed to “rides”

 

[mikejs78]

Disney parks are renowned for having “attractions” as opposed to “rides”

Oh I agree. I think the ride count debate is overdone. Yet it's one people use, so I wanted to point it out.

In reality for DHS, the only attraction that I really am disappointed with losing is GMR. LMA was fine but it wasn't near my favorite, and Backlot needed to be put out of it's misery - once the working studio closed it kind of lost it's reason for being, and it had become a shell of it's former greatness.

GMR is one that needed to be saved - it's a work of Imagineering genius, and while it needed a significant refresh, it had great bones. It's not quite a Horizons level loss, but it's close and I would put the loss of GMR above the loss of Energy in Epcot...

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

^^^I'd consider GMR on par with losing Horizons. It was the centerpiece and heart of the park.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And I have to believe that the Star Wars attractions will be better and more repeatable than LMA.

It's not going to be very repeatable with a four hour queue... for the ride and the park.

 

[GlacierGlacier]

I'd consider it on par with losing Horizons. It was the centerpiece and heart of the park.

I had totally forgotten what you were responding to and just saw the title of this thread.

I was understandably confused.

 

[Disney Maddux]

Can we expect to hear anything about an SGE replacement at D23?

 

[Kman101]

The extra attractions are happening right now, not ten years from now. Most, if not all, the empty spaces will be filled in two-three years.

As for the past ten years, that's not what we've been talking about. The premise is that *right now* we're getting less and less and that's demonstrably not true.

And once all of this stuff opens, you will be correct. But as of now, yes we are paying more for less. But we're splitting hairs, no ...