Status of the flu in DW

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
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Are flu shots ever effective though? I dont have kids, but see the articles about parents who have vaccinated their kids but are upset with parents who have not. If your child is vaccinated, whats the worry? Unless the vaccine doesnt work. If So, why what would it matter even if the other kids are or are not vaccinated?

Like colds, there are several different strains of flu each year. The flu vaccine is based on what virus will be the most common that season. And, like any virus, it can mutate.

Really good info from the CDC's website.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm
 

The Mom

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Hi there! While not a medical doctor myself, my father is Pediatrician and my brother-in-law is a General Physician at our local hospital . After several in depth conversations on the topic it has caused me to think the way I do now. These are the certainly 2 of the maybe 5 people I put my full trust in. I am not saying I am correct or wrong, but its ok to question things. This is one I certainly question, the thought that a flu shot is going to prevent me from the flu, there are a lot of underlying issues that go beyond the shot itself, mostly money and politics.

My in depth conversations with all of the MDs ( 6 so far, including an Epidemiologist) in my family have caused me to form the exact opposite opinion.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Hi there! While not a medical doctor myself, my father is Pediatrician and my brother-in-law is a General Physician at our local hospital . After several in depth conversations on the topic it has caused me to think the way I do now. These are the certainly 2 of the maybe 5 people I put my full trust in. I am not saying I am correct or wrong, but its ok to question things. This is one I certainly question, the thought that a flu shot is going to prevent me from the flu, there are a lot of underlying issues that go beyond the shot itself, mostly money and politics.
Very interesting. That’s not even sarcasm, I truly find this fascinating. So it’s a pediatrician’s opinion that the flu shot is masking symptoms and not actually immunizing? And it only exists as a sort of big pharma conspiracy?

All the docs I have seen, including my physician and my sons pediatrician, advocate for the flu shot. Is there some kind of kickback they are receiving to dispense these shots? I’m not in the medical field, and I don’t really have any personal relationships with any doctors.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
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An easy to understand explanation of herd immunity. https://www.quantamagazine.org/flu-vaccines-and-the-math-of-herd-immunity-20180205/
In the case of this year's flu shot, which is, unfortunately, only between 10% - 20% effective, it means that even if it only prevents 10 out of 100 exposed people from getting the flu, it prevents those 10 people from passing it on to someone else (let's say 10 people) who can then pass it on to another 10 people each. Which brings us to 100. And so on - until the disease has run it's course.The more people who have immunity, the healthier the population as a whole will be.

Some people are fortunate enough to live decades without being exposed - I was one of them. But I started getting the flu shot since my natural immunity to all common North American diseases is starting to decrease with age.
Good news here in SW Ohio... hospitalizations for the flu are down considerably for the last week, and school absences aren't going up any more. Ohio was an early "crisis" state, so I consider this pretty good news... for SW Ohio, anyway. http://wdtn.com/2018/02/08/flu-hospitalizations-down-schools-keeping-eye-on-flu-related-attendance/
This trend, if it holds, tells me we're over the hump on this year's flu outbreak.
 

Horizons '83

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In the Parks
No
My in depth conversations with all of the MDs ( 6 so far, including an Epidemiologist) in my family have caused me to form the exact opposite opinion.
Very cool, I am not one to downplay someones belief/opinion. I just know that everything isn't as straightforward as many think. Its just my opinion which I don't think is that unreasonable. I personally don't believe a flu shot is valuable at my current age, especially for the garbage that it puts in your body.
 

DfromATX

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I don't have kids either but I believe most schools require the kids to get it. Tamaflu is in the same vain, once you have symptoms, that medicine will only reduce/hide some of the symptoms but doesn't really "cure" the flu.

Diseases, yes, flu vaccine, not required. Maybe we are lucky or maybe we have strong immune systems, but no one in my house has ever had the flu, nor do we get the vaccine. Knock-on-wood, we don't even catch colds or have allergies!
 

POLY LOVER

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We're headed down to DW in about 25 days. I've heard conflicting reports about how bad the flu is in Florida (though mostly I hear about how bad it is in Florida right now). Whole family has had their flu shots. We have a preschooler & a preteen.
I plan to bring loads of sanitizer, as well as wash hands as often as possible. I'm close to having us wear masks on the plane, I really don't want to have the flu in our family. I have a brain tumor, and I mean, that sucks on its own, but I've got a heightened anxiety about illnesses / health because of it.
We can't really reschedule, and we'll be staying in the Orleans Riverside resort.
Where are the germ traps? I've heard the Buzz Lightyear ride should be avoided. Anything else come to mind? Any tips for staying healthy?
Also, any reports on how bad the flu is down there? I know people are carriers before they show symptoms, so I don't really know how to gauge that one. I am seeing our upcoming vacation with more fear than joy though, and I'd like to gauge how bad it is (so that maybe I can let some of this anxiety go.)
I'd love to just relax and enjoy our trip, and I will try while we're there! But being prepared makes things much easier.

Disney states there is no flu problem at wdw. But they will be closed for a short time for some small clean up activitys.

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StarWarsGirl

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In the Parks
No
I'm down here currently. I have noticed a lot of people sick, more people than usual this time of year. Lots of people coughing. That being said, I'm just using hand sanitizer and washing my hands, and I haven't gotten sick so far, and I get sick very easily. I also get vaccinated every year because I'm an asthmatic. It's been very warm here, which I think is also helping.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
Very cool, I am not one to downplay someones belief/opinion. I just know that everything isn't as straightforward as many think. Its just my opinion which I don't think is that unreasonable. I personally don't believe a flu shot is valuable at my current age, especially for the garbage that it puts in your body.

From what my doctor told me a few days ago-
An infected person is contagious for 1-2 days before showing any symptoms.

That means it can be spread unknowingly and quickly. The more people vaccinated = more protected, even if some people, such as myself, still end up with the flu.

My son also had the shot and has luckily not shown symptoms yet. I don’t want to be too optimistic at this point, but I’m cautiously hopeful that he won’t get it.

I will say that I debated not taking the Tamiflu after reading the potential side effects. I already feel bad enough, why would I want I want to add to my miserable state? But, I decided that if it can shorten this by a day, then it’s worth it. I need to get back to my life.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
Good news here in SW Ohio... hospitalizations for the flu are down considerably for the last week, and school absences aren't going up any more. Ohio was an early "crisis" state, so I consider this pretty good news... for SW Ohio, anyway. http://wdtn.com/2018/02/08/flu-hospitalizations-down-schools-keeping-eye-on-flu-related-attendance/
This trend, if it holds, tells me we're over the hump on this year's flu outbreak.

There was a first grade class that only had 2 boys at school last Friday. Luckily our school was off the Monday following the Super Bowl, and we had a snow day shortly after, so that gave everyone more time to recover.

Most of the boys who have been sick are the ones who play flag football or indoor soccer. I kind of wish they would put a hold on the post game handshakes until this flu season ends.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I personally don't believe a flu shot is valuable at my current age, especially for the garbage that it puts in your body.
Such as heavy metals like Uranium, aluminum, mercury, nickel and none of which are listed as ingredients on the information given to Doctors. And dont forget the chemicals like glyphosate (weed killer), antifreeze, phenol, formaldehyde, etc.

Children are given these vaccines before they are even tested for allergies. But the CDC said its ok. Didnt the CDC Director just step down due to ethics and severe conflict of interest issues as she owned stock in tobacco and food companies which was purchased AFTER she started at CDC, according to reports
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I find taking echinacea drops everyday helps to avoid getting sick.

There is no proven scientific evidence that echinacea provides any significant health benefits. Additionally, as almost non-regulated supplement, the echinacea you're taking may contain ridiculously little echinacea, or, even none at all since they aren't tested by the government (in the latter case, they have to be discovered perpetrating this fraud by the customer and reported to the FDA... which rarely happens).

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/echinacea/ataglance.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echinacea#Research
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I took way too much vitamin c once, like 10 times the normal dose, only for a few days though. Let's just say number ones looked like orange Gatorade. Quickly stopped doing that.

Yeah, C is water-soluble. Any extra is quickly eliminated from the body.

Taking extra vitamins is like thinking your car needs oil to run, and so, you pour a bucket of oil over the engine block. :)
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Such as heavy metals like Uranium, aluminum, mercury, nickel and none of which are listed as ingredients on the information given to Doctors. And dont forget the chemicals like glyphosate (weed killer), antifreeze, phenol, formaldehyde, etc.

Children are given these vaccines before they are even tested for allergies. But the CDC said its ok. Didnt the CDC Director just step down due to ethics and severe conflict of interest issues as she owned stock in tobacco and food companies which was purchased AFTER she started at CDC, according to reports

First, uranium isn't added to vaccines. It's naturally occurring everywhere. And thanks to above-ground atom bomb tests, just about everything on the surface of the planet has a slight, unique radioactive signature. But, it's at very low levels. Just like the low level radiation we're all bombarded with from the sun, cosmos, and naturally occurring radioactive isotopes in the earth.

But anti-vaxxers find trace radioactivity in vaccines and claim its doped with Uranium!

The other heavy metals even the CDC admits to. It's on their site. But they're in trace amounts and in compound form (they don't put elemental mercury in vaccines).

Your body is full of heavy metals, such as iron! Zinc is an essential heavy metal, too. You can't eat food without picking up traces of them. Mothers consume heavy metals all the time in their food and their fetuses are built from them and exposed to them thanks to mom's all-natural diet! A born baby is filled with and made-up of that so-called 'garbage' found in vaccines.

And it's not "garbage" at that level of exposure. We're all exposed to toxins at micro-levels. Some of them are essential to remain living even though large doses would kill us (e.g., potassium).

Is it "safer" to never vaccinate? Yes. If and only if there were no diseases that could permanently harm or kill your baby. But since there are diseases that could permanently harm or kill your baby, it should be a no-brainer to opt for vaccination. The only reason the anti-vaxxer movement doesn't look like the anti-intellectual dolts that they are is because vaccines have been successful in stamping out or reducing (in our region of the world) small pox and measles and polio and other diseases responsible for millions of deaths and permanent injuries. If these people lived in the time when one or more of their children would most likely die from these diseases, they'd be begging for the vaccines.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Again that is if you trust the CDC. There is plenty of evidence on the contrary. Tamiflu is awful for your body. Don't trust everything you read. There is a HUGE amount of money to be had on "flu shots". The same folks that are pushing for the flu shots at the CDC are being paid by the companies that sell the shots. You also have folks that will work of the CDC then move on to these companies and vice versa creating a ring of lies.

The CDC represents the overwhelming consensus of the scientific medical community.

If you've been talking to your dad the pediatrician and other people in the field of medicine, you having be talking to enough of them if you think the CDC have a secret agenda hiding the truth.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
First, uranium isn't added to vaccines. It's naturally occurring everywhere. And thanks to above-ground atom bomb tests, just about everything on the surface of the planet has a slight, unique radioactive signature. But, it's at very low levels. Just like the low level radiation we're all bombarded with from the sun, cosmos, and naturally occurring radioactive isotopes in the earth.

But anti-vaxxers find trace radioactivity in vaccines and claim its doped with Uranium!

The other heavy metals even the CDC admits to. It's on their site. But they're in trace amounts and in compound form (they don't put elemental mercury in vaccines).

Your body is full of heavy metals, such as iron! Zinc is an essential heavy metal, too. You can't eat food without picking up traces of them. Mothers consume heavy metals all the time in their food and their fetuses are built from them and exposed to them thanks to mom's all-natural diet! A born baby is filled with and made-up of that so-called 'garbage' found in vaccines.

And it's not "garbage" at that level of exposure. We're all exposed to toxins at micro-levels. Some of them are essential to remain living even though large doses would kill us (e.g., potassium).

Is it "safer" to never vaccinate? Yes. If and only if there were no diseases that could permanently harm or kill your baby. But since there are diseases that could permanently harm or kill your baby, it should be a no-brainer to opt for vaccination. The only reason the anti-vaxxer movement doesn't look like the anti-intellectual dolts that they are is because vaccines have been successful in stamping out or reducing (in our region of the world) small pox and measles and polio and other diseases responsible for millions of deaths and permanent injuries. If these people lived in the time when one or more of their children would most likely die from these diseases, they'd be begging for the vaccines.
Ingesting heavy metals allows your body to detox them. Injecting them deep into tissue and then absorbed directly into the blood stream is a completely different scenario.

A large study in 2010 and another just last year (over 12,000 children) compared health of unvaccinated children vs vaccinated children and the results were the same for both tests. Vaccinated kids tested 30% higher for chronic illness.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Ingesting heavy metals allows your body to detox them. Injecting them deep into tissue and then absorbed directly into the blood stream is a completely different scenario.

A large study in 2010 and another just last year (over 12,000 children) compared health of unvaccinated children vs vaccinated children and the results were the same for both tests. Vaccinated kids tested 30% higher for chronic illness.
Can you provide a link to the studies? I would be interested in reading them.
 

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