Start paying for Fast-Pass?

[MissM]

Everyone start playing the violins louder please... Miss M can't seem to hear them.

Thankfully none of my kids teachers have had been so full of themselves and had the I am a teacher and holyier then thou attitude. Hopefully it stays this way. I truely do appreciate what the teachers do for my kids and all kids. But there are many careers out there there and you chose yours knowing the deal going in ..If you don't like your job find another. But then again you'll have to work 3 extra months and maybe not get every Holiday off. We can all mention aspects of our careers that we don't like.(salary too much travel, etc.) But we all can leave whenever we want.

First off, I'm not a teacher. So get off your high horse thinking I'm personally asking for special treatment. Hell, I don't even have kids and I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I can't recognize that teachers do a hell of a lot for a stupidly small amount of money.

The poster I originally quoted stated that if you couldn't afford a Deluxe resort, you should "get a better job." I pointed out that it's pretty darn clear that just because a job doesn't always pay well doesn't mean it's not a "good" job. Few jobs are "better" than something like teaching. Being a CEO or salesman might make you bucketloads of cash, but it's in no way "better" than being a teacher. (Or hell, a nurse, or an EMT who both make much less and work way harder than MDs.)

Just because you know going in that some jobs pay crap doesn't make it ok. It means that some jobs pay far less than they should and sadly the country hasn't caught up with paying them better. We take teachers for granted come payday.

A "better" job does not mean a high paying one. And I find the whole pretext that if you can't afford a Deluxe hotel because your job isn't "good enough" a terribly insulting comment. A teacher is just one example of someone who might not have the paycheck to afford a Deluxe on a WDW vacation.

So go shove your violin and see if you can't hear it playing then. High paying jobs don't always equate to worthwhile jobs.
-m

 

[GoofyFan1]

First off, I'm not a teacher. So get off your high horse thinking I'm personally asking for special treatment. Hell, I don't even have kids and I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I can't recognize that teachers do a hell of a lot for a stupidly small amount of money.

The poster I originally quoted stated that if you couldn't afford a Deluxe resort, you should "get a better job." I pointed out that it's pretty darn clear that just because a job doesn't always pay well doesn't mean it's not a "good" job. Few jobs are "better" than something like teaching. Being a CEO or salesman might make you bucketloads of cash, but it's in no way "better" than being a teacher. (Or hell, a nurse, or an EMT who both make much less and work way harder than MDs.)

Just because you know going in that some jobs pay crap doesn't make it ok. It means that some jobs pay far less than they should and sadly the country hasn't caught up with paying them better. We take teachers for granted come payday.

A "better" job does not mean a high paying one. And I find the whole pretext that if you can't afford a Deluxe hotel because your job isn't "good enough" a terribly insulting comment. A teacher is just one example of someone who might not have the paycheck to afford a Deluxe on a WDW vacation.

So go shove your violin and see if you can't hear it playing then. High paying jobs don't always equate to worthwhile jobs.
-m

From a teacher, THANK YOU. :sohappy:

 

[Eeyore]

First off, I'm not a teacher. So get off your high horse thinking I'm personally asking for special treatment. Hell, I don't even have kids and I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I can't recognize that teachers do a hell of a lot for a stupidly small amount of money.

The poster I originally quoted stated that if you couldn't afford a Deluxe resort, you should "get a better job." I pointed out that it's pretty darn clear that just because a job doesn't always pay well doesn't mean it's not a "good" job. Few jobs are "better" than something like teaching. Being a CEO or salesman might make you bucketloads of cash, but it's in no way "better" than being a teacher. (Or hell, a nurse, or an EMT who both make much less and work way harder than MDs.)

Just because you know going in that some jobs pay crap doesn't make it ok. It means that some jobs pay far less than they should and sadly the country hasn't caught up with paying them better. We take teachers for granted come payday.

A "better" job does not mean a high paying one. And I find the whole pretext that if you can't afford a Deluxe hotel because your job isn't "good enough" a terribly insulting comment. A teacher is just one example of someone who might not have the paycheck to afford a Deluxe on a WDW vacation.

So go shove your violin and see if you can't hear it playing then. High paying jobs don't always equate to worthwhile jobs.
-m

Thank you from another teacher :wave: Although you and dabigcheez both need to cool it with the personal attacks.

 

[jt04]

First off, I'm not a teacher. So get off your high horse thinking I'm personally asking for special treatment. Hell, I don't even have kids and I'm not going to. Doesn't mean I can't recognize that teachers do a hell of a lot for a stupidly small amount of money.

The poster I originally quoted stated that if you couldn't afford a Deluxe resort, you should "get a better job." I pointed out that it's pretty darn clear that just because a job doesn't always pay well doesn't mean it's not a "good" job. Few jobs are "better" than something like teaching. Being a CEO or salesman might make you bucketloads of cash, but it's in no way "better" than being a teacher. (Or hell, a nurse, or an EMT who both make much less and work way harder than MDs.)

Just because you know going in that some jobs pay crap doesn't make it ok. It means that some jobs pay far less than they should and sadly the country hasn't caught up with paying them better. We take teachers for granted come payday.

A "better" job does not mean a high paying one. And I find the whole pretext that if you can't afford a Deluxe hotel because your job isn't "good enough" a terribly insulting comment. A teacher is just one example of someone who might not have the paycheck to afford a Deluxe on a WDW vacation.

So go shove your violin and see if you can't hear it playing then. High paying jobs don't always equate to worthwhile jobs.
-m

First off MissM, YOU are the one who made this about teachers, nobody else. Second, I take it your premise is that Fastpasses as a reward for staying on property is unfair to people with lower incomes. Well cry me a river then you whinning malcontent . THAT IS HOW LIFE WORKS! If you choose a profession that pays less because you are compelled to then that is your choice. You take the good with the bad. And third, if teachers were not always pushing thinly veiled SOCIALISM on people I am sure most people would not mind seeing teachers pay increased substantially. But if you are going to be SOCIALIST, expect pay in line with that position. Fourth, Grow Up!

 

[MissM]

MissM was using a profession, that BTW requires a Master's degree in my state, as an example of the unfair tier system this new change could cause.

Thank you. Exactly.

From a teacher, THANK YOU. :sohappy:

Most welcome.

Thank you from another teacher :wave: Although you and dabigcheez both need to cool it with the personal attacks.

Most welcome as well.

First off MissM, YOU are the one who made this about teachers, nobody else. Second, I take it your premise is that Fastpasses as a reward for staying on property is unfair to people with lower incomes. Well cry me a river then you whinning malcontent . THAT IS HOW LIFE WORKS! If you choose a profession that pays less because you are compelled to then that is your choice. You take the good with the bad. And third, if teachers were not always pushing thinly veiled SOCIALISM on people I am sure most people would not mind seeing teachers pay increased substantially. But if you are going to be SOCIALIST, expect pay in line with that position. Fourth, Grow Up!

Ouch. Someone's got serious issues apparently. And clearly can't separate their rabid political views from the basic idea that more money does not equal a "better" job. A teacher is what's known as an example of the statement.

Grow up? Clearly, you first. (Hello, Pot? This is Kettle calling.) Why you hate teachers is beyond me but I'm not going to argue with some bizarre political rant.
-m

 

[jt04]

Thank you. Exactly.


Most welcome.


Most welcome as well.


Ouch. Someone's got serious issues apparently. And clearly can't separate their rabid political views from the basic idea that more money does not equal a "better" job. A teacher is what's known as an example of the statement.

Grow up? Clearly, you first. (Hello, Pot? This is Kettle calling.) Why you hate teachers is beyond me but I'm not going to argue with some bizarre political rant.
-m

I don't hate teachers, that is your assumption. I would just like you to explain once more how your statement above (that I underlined) relates to Fastpasses being made available to those who stay on property. Double dog dare ya!

 

[Eeyore]

I can see this debate continuing for a long time. If any of you are interested in keeping it going, I suggest it be done privately and let this thread get fully back on topic. Thanks! :wave:

 

[jasondiff]

Warning: This post is on-topic!

GoofyFan1, I will address your points about my proposal:

I see at least two problems with this proposal:

1. I'm an AP holder from NY and I always stay on property. I have to use my AP to get fastpasses. Does this mean I get a crappy time even though I'm staying on-site but can't use my key to get my fastpass?

Nope, as I said, at checkin, you will link your AP with your KTTW card, so you will get the better benefits of resort guests.

The middle-level benefits I proposed for AP holders (not as good as resort guests but better than offsite/day guests) is for locals or offsite AP holders. Resort guests will get the best benefit level no matter what ticket they are using.

2. What about park hopping? Because I teach I can only go at peak times, this year I went from June 25 -July 6. I would go to a park, and if it was flooded with the infamous Brazilian groups (I counted 8 different groups in MK on one day) I go to a different park. I can't plan that 3 days in advance.

No one will be forced to get FPs in advance, it will be an option. If you do get FPs in advance, but that park is full of tour groups, then you could just use the FPs then leave.

 

[jasondiff]

I just read in the paper that Disney may put fastpass online so people can order and print out fast passes away from the park and have them when they walk in the park...they are supposedly going to connect with cell phones and computers...A bunch of patents were put in for this technology and they hope to have this up and running within a year...all in the effort to reduce lines, even in the fastpass lines. Not really sure how this is going to work, but it sounds interesting

Do you have a link to the article? And does it really say they hope to have it working within a year?

If you are referring to the Sentinel article, that link was already posted and in fact it says "They are still in the very early stages of development."

 

[EPCOT.nut]

"Spending per guest at hotels can (be used to determine) different hierarchies (for) access to Fastpass. Thus, the more that is spent by a patron, the higher the priority (they will receive) for Fastpass."

Sounds like they are operating a casino!

 

[jasondiff]

"Spending per guest at hotels can (be used to determine) different hierarchies (for) access to Fastpass. Thus, the more that is spent by a patron, the higher the priority (they will receive) for Fastpass."

Sounds like they are operating a casino!

Casino comps may very well be one of the inspirations for Disney's ideas!

 

[jt04]

"Spending per guest at hotels can (be used to determine) different hierarchies (for) access to Fastpass. Thus, the more that is spent by a patron, the higher the priority (they will receive) for Fastpass."

Sounds like they are operating a casino!

The casino model of rewarding guests for spending more has proven to be very successful. If you doubt that just look at what is going on in vegas. They can't grow fast enough.

 

[EPCOT.nut]

The casino model of rewarding guests for spending more has proven to be very successful. If you doubt that just look at what is going on in vegas. They can't grow fast enough.

Then I expect a rum & coke brought to me by a CM while I am waiting in line at Peter Pan!

:ROFLOL::ROFLOL::ROFLOL:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

What about DVC members from outwith the US.
Too many variables with this scenario.

IMHO Disney will go for a straight sale option open to all to maximise the cash.

 

[Swoosh]

Then I expect a rum & coke brought to me by a CM while I am waiting in line at Peter Pan!

Then it really WOULD be the MAGIC KINGDOM! :sohappy:

 

[GoofyFan1]

Warning: This post is on-topic!

GoofyFan1, I will address your points about my proposal:



Nope, as I said, at checkin, you will link your AP with your KTTW card, so you will get the better benefits of resort guests.

The middle-level benefits I proposed for AP holders (not as good as resort guests but better than offsite/day guests) is for locals or offsite AP holders. Resort guests will get the best benefit level no matter what ticket they are using.



No one will be forced to get FPs in advance, it will be an option. If you do get FPs in advance, but that park is full of tour groups, then you could just use the FPs then leave.

Thanks. I can see your point, however, not getting your FP ahead of time puts you at a distinct disadvantage. Also remember that the tour groups generally stay onsite!


An aside, I tried to take Eeyore's advice and go private which brings me to this; If you are going to make contoversial statements the least you could do is accept emails.

 

[jasondiff]

What about DVC members from outwith the US.
Too many variables with this scenario.

IMHO Disney will go for a straight sale option open to all to maximise the cash.

DVC Members would be resort guests, that puts them in the group with the best level of FP benefits.

Thanks. I can see your point, however, not getting your FP ahead of time puts you at a distinct disadvantage. Also remember that the tour groups generally stay onsite!

I'm definitely not as keen on FP in advance as on onsite resort perks for FP. My tiered-benefit levels for FP really only addresses the tiers for obtaining in-park FPs, not necessarily the advanced ones. But you are correct that the tour groups are generally onsite as well, but are they really organized enough (better than the well-prepared/commando-types like many of us) to actually we able to take advantage of FP as much as we would?

 

[redfive13]

This is the same kind of crap that Six Flags uses. You pay a fee and then you are handed a device which generates a time for you to hit a ride. It sucks. Period.

I can't honestly believe that Disney will choose to go down this road...

 

[RogueHabit]

I dislike the "have & have not" mentality. It costs an arm and a leg to get to disney in the first place.

Some of you guys have no clue. Coming from outside of the US to disney, I can spend £5,000 (almost $10,000) just to get my family to Florida for 2 weeks with themepark admission and that is staying off-site.

Add additional expense or staying onsite and that can be an additional £500, and that's a budget resort.

What's next? Only Moderate and above getting fastpass? Don't laugh, it would be the next logical step.

Anyway, with all that said, my solution is simple. If fastpass becomes a premium service, as it is in some other parks, then I simply will not use it.

Problem solved!

 

[dandaman]

This is the same kind of crap that Six Flags uses. You pay a fee and then you are handed a device which generates a time for you to hit a ride. It sucks. Period.

Would you rather not be handed the "device" and have to guess?

I speak from personal experience: Q-Bot is a godsend for queues. I saved a good 5 hours of lineups on one August Saturday.

My thought still remains: If they have to go with a payment option, Disney should have a fee of about $5 for general public and still free for resort guests. If you saw "Soarin': 200 min." every Christmas, you'd probably shell out the Lincolns, too. :shrug: