Starbucks at WDW

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
The concern is that if Disney finds it's lucrative to replace their homegrown bakery shop with a Starbucks, what's to stop them from replacing Cosmic Ray's with a Pizza Hut? Pecos Bills with a Taco Bell?
When you're willing to compromise your themed space with external, homogenous commercial spaces it stands to reason where you're going draw the line.
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I hate going to the average american mall, It's full of overpriced 'Made in Third World' clothes and fast food outlets. If Disney turns into mall with rides im no longer interested
 

ToyStorygirl

Active Member
I'm absolutely not saying I would like Pizza Hut or Taco Bell to arrive but MK or DHS food is hardly second to none is it? In the main it's generic fast food which is fine for a theme park as I don't go there primarily to eat.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Is nobody looking at it from Starbucks point of view? Why should they change their decor to suit Disney? They didn't in Universal and nobody seemed to care. I know some would argue Universal isn't the same thing but you still walk into another world when you go in there. I didn't walk around thinking I was on a film set only to be devastated by the sight of Starbucks making me realise I'm not really a Hollywood extra.


On a film set you can and do find just about anything and if one of the mega-stars made a 'on-location' starbucks a requirement for their participation you can bet it would be there. So Starbucks fits in with the theming of the resort. It's a FILM SET and If you have ever been on one they are bizzare especially 'on-location'.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The concern is that if Disney finds it's lucrative to replace their homegrown bakery shop with a Starbucks, what's to stop them from replacing Cosmic Ray's with a Pizza Hut? Pecos Bills with a Taco Bell?
When you're willing to compromise your themed space with external, homogenous commercial spaces it stands to reason you may not know where to draw the line.
You talk like we have a choice. If we want to go to WDW we have to go accepting what's there. The only option we have is to not go. But we do have that option. I can't even see the "line" that this caused me. It's more of a dot. And I suspect that many others feel the same way. So it bothers you and you have visions that they are going to replace everything with chains. Starbucks is a type of coffee that sells itself via their own sense of quality. Kinda like Disney used too. But they since they are in Disney they are really not much more then what Nescafe was...a brand of coffee to be consumed. The first time I hear the words, hey kids we are going to Starbucks and they know that means days of fun at a theme park, I'll take back my opinion, until then it is nothing more then making a mountain out of a molehill. Seriously, I doubt that there is anything in a Disney Park that is original Disney. Everything is purchased from outside sources and sold in the Parks. They may not tell you who made them, but, Disney has never been in the Coffee processing business, to my knowledge they don't make Ice Cream and they don't make Coca Cola amongst thousands of other things. So I guess they could have done the same thing in the Bakery but as long as they didn't tell anyone where it came from, all would be pixie dusted.

I'll repeat again...there is nothing in any Disney Park that you cannot get outside of a Disney Park. You're just kidding yourself if you think that is true. They don't produce Turkey Legs, Churro's, Mickey Bars, Dole Whips or Popcorn. They don't raise cattle and chickens then process the meat into hot dogs, or chicken fingers, or steak or hamburger. They buy it from someone, probably a well known supplier. They only thing that makes it Disney is your own imagination. Use it. If you do, absolutely everything you see when you enter a Disney Park is exclusively Disney. Case in point, you may have had Starbucks Coffee on every street corner in the USA, but, you have never had it in the Magic Kingdom have you. That makes it unique to Disney, the only place where you can get it in a Disney Park, is in a Disney Park.

Yes, I know it's a little over the edge and silly, but, no sillier then this entire concern/conversation has been, in my opinion.
 
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Goofyernmost

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I hate going to the average american mall, It's full of overpriced 'Made in Third World' clothes and fast food outlets. If Disney turns into mall with rides im no longer interested
To late...that happened a long time ago. Check the tags on your precious Disney T's and see where they are made. It makes your average American Mall, look like a store on Rodeo Drive in Hollywood.
 
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Bairstow

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Not sure what you mean by, "You talk like we have a choice."

To reiterate something Empress Lilly said earlier, it's not so much what they're selling in the parks, it's that they're allowing the intrusion of exterior, non-themed spaces on what was clearly supposed intended to be a themed space. The Fountain View Starbucks is a much more egregious example of this than the Main Street Bakery.
If we're just talking about the product to be sold, Starbucks coffee is actually vastly superior to the nescafe they were serving previously.
However, Disney shouldn't have to let Starbucks put one of their own branded buildings into the park simply to vend this product.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
To late...that happened a long time ago. Check the tags on your precious Disney T's and see where they are made. It makes your average American Mall, look like a store on Rodeo Drive in Hollywood.

I don't own ANY Disney clothes with the exception of a Grumpy's garage hat, Which was made in Phillipines.

Disney these days has no merchandise I want to buy with the possible exception of some prints and paintings in the 'Art of Disney' store in EPCOT.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Not sure what you mean by, "You talk like we have a choice."

To reiterate something Empress Lilly said earlier, it's not so much what they're selling in the parks, it's that they're allowing the intrusion of exterior, non-themed spaces on what was clearly supposed intended to be a themed space. The Fountain View Starbucks is a much more egregious example of this than the Main Street Bakery.
If we're just talking about the product to be sold, Starbucks coffee is actually vastly superior to the nescafe they were serving previously.
However, Disney shouldn't have to let Starbucks put one of their own branded buildings into the park simply to vend this product.

Agreed!
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
To late...that happened a long time ago. Check the tags on your precious Disney T's and see where they are made. It makes your average American Mall, look like a store on Rodeo Drive in Hollywood.

Again, this isn't a conversation about product.
No one cares where the T-shirts are made.
What is worrisome is Disney's recent willingness to allow the inclusion of outside, everyday business places into the interior themed areas of their parks.

Do you see the difference, say, between Disney selling DC Shoe company T-shirts at Island Supply in Adventureland and Disney allowing DC to put a DC shop in the same location?

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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Again, this isn't a conversation about product.
No one cares where the T-shirts are made.
What is worrisome is Disney's recent willingness to allow the inclusion of outside, everyday business places into the interior themed areas of their parks.

Do you see the difference, say, between Disney selling DC Shoe company T-shirts at Island Supply in Adventureland and Disney allowing DC to put a DC shop in the same location?

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Yes, I do see the difference. I also see that the Starbucks location had to fit in the Bakery theme and modify a lot of their usual method of operation. It is a Starbucks COFFEE located in the Disney Bakery. And it is just as much of an authentic Bakery as it ever was. Which means...it never was one. Don't let the fake canned odor that Disney was pumping out the door fool you into thinking it was anything other then an imaginary bakery.
 

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