AEfx
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Ah, we have reached a new rung on the journey down the apologist rabbit hole - "why should Star Wars be any different than any other hodge-podge thing Hollywood puts out".
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.
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Ah, we have reached a new rung on the journey down the apologist rabbit hole - "why should Star Wars be any different than any other hodge-podge thing Hollywood puts out".
AEfx
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Well, at least they dodged the bullet this weekend. It would have been really embarrassing had it fallen to already #2. They managed to eek out $1.9M over Jumanji to stay in first.
I'm sure there will be pats on the back all around at Disney because the bad publicity they got for the stringent theater rules they imposed likely paid off here.
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/b...-off-jumanji-on-new-years-weekend-1202650549/
I'm sure there will be pats on the back all around at Disney because the bad publicity they got for the stringent theater rules they imposed likely paid off here.
http://variety.com/2018/film/news/b...-off-jumanji-on-new-years-weekend-1202650549/
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I intentionally kinda ignored that...
bclane
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So your calling Star Wars and ESB hodge podge now? My point was that it turned out well for those movies and imo it did for TLJ as well as it has for countless other movies where things changed during the creative process. Sorry you didn’t like TLJ. Personally,i loved it!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don't think it would be embarrassing...it is the third week of release.
But I think that jumanji is outperforming expectations might have something to do with the repeat business of Star Wars.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
He was implying today's Hollywood...big budget, cgi crap meant for Chinese consumption...
...and I don't think you implying you didn't realize that to be very compelling.
Please stop acting like Hollywood 1980 is anything like Hollywood 2017.
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Wendy Pleakley
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Speaking of Jumanji, The Force Awakens didn’t have any competition with another big action movie.
bclane
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I’m sorry that you don’t realize that some things related to the creative process haven’t changed all that much since 1980.
bclane
Well-Known Member
I’m gonna have to go see it I guess. A couple days ago I ran into a student of mine from a few years back and he couldn’t stop talking about how amazing Jumanji is. If it’s even half as good as this kids rave reviews it’s worth the price of a ticket.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Getting movie recommendations from milleniaks, ehh?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
And I'm sorry that you can't seem to tell the difference between empire and the last Johnson...really on any level.
Let's move on.
bclane
Well-Known Member
Why? Do you have something against millennials?
bclane
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AEfx
Well-Known Member
The OT is irrelevant in this respect - the situation is entirely different.
In this case, three films were given release dates nearly three years before they even came out.
Every detail of marketing campaigns, toys, press, every ounce of ancillary anything was planned out to the most minute detail.
Yet, they didn't sit down and plot out the three films they were placing at the center of all this. They had every single possible resource at their disposal, their pick of the top talent alive, and they decided to just wing it on a one by one basis the center of the entire venture.
No one is saying that every shot needed to be planned out for all three films in advance, but it is ridiculously clear now that all the naysayers when Disney purchased Lucasfilm ultimately turned out to be right. Disney was solely concerned with everything they could sell and how much money they could milk out of it, treating the films themselves as afterthoughts.
AEfx
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Uh...absolutely everything has changed. Even if we pretended it hasn't, ESB was made as an independent film, whereas the new trilogy is being made by the largest studio operation in the world.
I mean, even just from a practical standpoint - why do you think there are so few deleted scenes from the OT, or most movies in general before the current modern CGI generation? They didn't have the time or resources to film all kinds of extra footage that they weren't going to use. Even the physical film itself and the development of it was very expensive - not to mention all the physical effects. It wasn't until this CGI/digital age that all this fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants type of filmmaking was possible.
The circumstances couldn't be more different, and neither could the industry. The notion of not having a locked script, and the finished film having a few small shaves at most, is a very new concept to film-making, indeed.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
In the terms of assessing Star Wars? Or the quality of a movie in general...a little bit...
The prosecution would like to enter this into evidence as exhibit A:
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/fa...and-furious-9-10-cast-plot-cars-release-date/
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
This is completely correct
And i resisted this idea at first as much as the next guy...but it's clear that lucasfilm doesn't have the right people in place anymore...either disney replacements or too many holdovers from the prequel era...to get it done. They've lost the "magic" of Star Wars...ironically...and I think it's because they have no clue what it is...
bclane
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The OT discussion was relevant to what me and another poster were discussing and thus to the post you quoted.
You say it is “ridiculously clear now that all the naysayers when Disney purchased Lucasfilm ultimately turned out to be right” and that is your opinion, but I completely disagree. I love what Disney has done. I have thoroughly enjoyed all three of the Disney Star Wars movies and find them to be approaching the quality and enjoyment level of the first two films. I can’t wait for IX! Plus we are getting Star Wars Galaxies Edge and a whole new trilogy is planned that I cannot wait for. There are more TV shows set in the Star Wars universe on the way. I think Disney is doing a fantastic job and I am thrilled that they are running the show now. Believe it or not, people have different opinions about the movies and your opinion is no more valid than mine or anyone else’s. They are just opinions. And for you to say they are just winging it is overstating the matter considerably...also imo. Sorry you don’t like TLJ. Glad to hear you liked RO and TFA better. Hopefully you enjoy IX. If it’s anything like what we’ve gotten so far, I’m sure I’ll love it!
bclane
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Sorry, but that is incorrect. And you really need to learn a little bit more about the editing process that went into producing the final version of Star Wars that we ended up with. You can see some of the deleted scenes online if you’d like.
bclane
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So you want to blow off the opinion of Millennials because there is a Fast and Furious franchise? What? Why would you ignore anyone’s opinion much less an entire generation’s? And this isn’t the first time you have insulted them in this forum come to think of it. I don’t believe that is very becoming of you.