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Star Wars: The Acolyte

BrianLo

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What was the budget for this $180 million?

And Shogun was 250 million, had smaller viewership numbers and has a 2 season renewal despite being made as a miniseries.

I’m sorry but considering the budget

Absolutely No... We have very clear metrics of what Disney considers a success and Acolyte's premiere well, well exceeded those. Even for its budget.

and the Star Wars name attached to it,

Maybe!

this is a flop.

TBD!
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
I'll have to say that tonight's episode was actually entertaining.


Honesty the Jedi and padawans of that era have the same survivability as the Clone troopers of later years. 8 vs 1 and the one wins ? So many deaths and unfortunately Dafne Keen Fernández's character was one of them .. If they can actually act, kill them off so they don't overshadow the rather meager skills of the protagonist.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
And Shogun was 250 million, had smaller viewership numbers and has a 2 season renewal despite being made as a miniseries.



Absolutely No... We have very clear metrics of what Disney considers a success and Acolyte's premiere well, well exceeded those. Even for its budget.



Maybe!



TBD!

Early data is showing a 31% drop.
 

Willmark

Well-Known Member
The people already attacking her are evil scum who don't deserve to be given the chance to send more harassment her way.
I’m not a fan of harassing anyone. I’m also not a fan of (attempting) to use copyright protections to limit discourse.

And yes, I know very few people will view it for that. I’m ok with being the voice in the wilderness as it were on that one. YMMV.

It's totally fine if people don't like the show, but the hate thrown at the cast is inexcusable.
Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.
 

Ghost93

Well-Known Member
Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.
The hate thrown toward the Acoylte is way worse than merely not liking the output of the Mouse when it comes to Star Wars. I despised the Rise of Skywalker and thought it killed most of my excitement for any future Star Wars projects, yet I didn't follow Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver on social media to complain to them about it or harass them.
 

Willmark

Well-Known Member
The hate thrown toward the Acoylte is way worse than merely not liking the output of the Mouse when it comes to Star Wars.
Sure and Disney has done themselves no favors in this.

I despised the Rise of Skywalker and thought it killed most of my excitement for any future Star Wars projects,
As a fan of the Last Jedi I imagine it did do that to you. We’ve already discussed it.

As I despise The Last Jedi as much as you like it, I understand your frustration.

yet I didn't follow Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver on social media to complain to them about it or harass them.
Again that should be directed at those engaging in it. Because there is a (large?) cadre or people who absolutely dislike the Acolyte that has nothing to do with hate yet get lumped in there all the same.

By Daisy’s own admission (recent TV interview) she has had by and large good interactions with the fans. I’ll take her at her word.

And John? Maybe Disney shouldn’t be taking him off of movie posters in other countries and reducing his character to nothing more than running around yelling “Rey!” Every two seconds or so.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.
Shouldn't it be the responsibility of all in the fandom to shutdown these type of attacks? Because all it does it add fuel to the fire that the fandom at large is toxic.

As the saying goes, a few rotten apples ruins the bunch.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Again that should be directed at those engaging in it. Because there is a (large?) cadre or people who absolutely dislike the Acolyte that has nothing to do with hate yet get lumped in there all the same.
I would give this multiple likes if I could. I've been harping on that for a very long time now with all of star wars. There is A LOT of things wrong with this show. You can easily spot the hate brigade. But most of the complaints I'm seeing are pretty legitimate.
By Daisy’s own admission (recent TV interview) she has had by and large good interactions with the fans. I’ll take her at her word.
Yup, Jake Lloyd said the same thing and that he still loves star wars. His mom in a recent interview debunked all the "hate" drove him crazy.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Shouldn't it be the responsibility of all in the fandom to shutdown these type of attacks? Because all it does it add fuel to the fire that the fandom at large is toxic.

As the saying goes, a few rotten apples ruins the bunch.
I think they do. The problem is no one wants to report that. The fandom is toxic, it hates star wars!!! That gets clicks. Not Hayden Christensen get absolutely fantastic reception at star wars celebration. If you follow star wars, the conventions, comic con, the promo circuit with the actors.... You'll see the fandom isn't what it's made out to be.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
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Who needs D+ when we have threads like this!
Very entertaining AND has a greater viewership 🤣
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I think they do. The problem is no one wants to report that. The fandom is toxic, it hates star wars!!! That gets clicks. Not Hayden Christensen get absolutely fantastic reception at star wars celebration. If you follow star wars, the conventions, comic con, the promo circuit with the actors.... You'll see the fandom isn't what it's made out to be.
Celebration is just like D23, its going to be only the most hyped fans. So of course you aren't going to see any boos or other toxic traits.

I don't think its as shutdown at you think it is, if it was you wouldn't get the things like the threats to Wookiepedia for just updating the canon profile for a character.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I’m responsible for my own actions not someone else’s.
If that is the case then why is it mine or anyone else's responsibility to engage with those that do the attacks since they claim to represent the fandom?

And likewise if those that are doing the attacks claim to represent the fandom; then isn't it then the responsibility of the entire fandom to condemn and thus throw out such bad actors if they don't want to be lumped in with those doing the attacks?
 

Willmark

Well-Known Member
If that is the case then why is it mine or anyone else's responsibility to engage with those that do the attacks since they claim to represent the fandom?

And likewise if those that are doing the attacks claim to represent the fandom; then isn't it then the responsibility of the entire fandom to condemn and thus throw out such bad actors if they don't want to be lumped in with those doing the attacks?
Fandom?

There isn't a single fandom for SW anymore. It was said here a week or so ago and I agree: there are several fandoms in SW now and some of them are quite hostile to one another. So which fandom is taking on which fandom in this scenario? As I noted is it those defending ths show and its stars against the haters? Some other group(s)?

I also maintain that there are even further breakdowns within even the larger "buckets" we might group together where they don't even agree.

And amusingly (perhaps) its not even really a concern for this corner of the web IMO. I don't think anyone on this site is hostile to each other. By and large it seems respectful of views of SW even when in disagreement. Take @Ghost93 and I: our views on TLJ. Ghost loves TLJ, I can't stand it. But in no way do I think lesser of Ghost for said opinions for liking something I don't and I would hope the same is likewise extended to him from me.
 
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Willmark

Well-Known Member
I would give this multiple likes if I could.
Many thanks.
I've been harping on that for a very long time now with all of star wars. There is A LOT of things wrong with this show. You can easily spot the hate brigade. But most of the complaints I'm seeing are pretty legitimate.
Agreed. I'm in this weird place: I don't love it nor do I "hate it." There are problems aplenty with it punctuated by few good things. Take the lightsaber battle last night. Leave this site and there are plenty hyping this up to the greatest duel ever! I disagree but I'm also not looking to tell anyone they are "wrong" as it were.

Yup, Jake Lloyd said the same thing and that he still loves star wars. His mom in a recent interview debunked all the "hate" drove him crazy.
It's surprising how many people to this day how many people believe that haters drove him away from SW. Seems like he had issues that had nothing to do with anything related to SW.
 

Willmark

Well-Known Member
And last: off to watch Episode 1 of Ob-wan. I wince as he is my favorite character outside of R2... I don't have high expectations.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Fandom?

There isn't a single fandom for SW anymore. It was said here a week or so ago and I agree: there are several fandoms in SW now and some of them are quite hostile to one another. So which fandom is taking on which fandom in this scenario? As I noted is it those defending ths show and its stars against the haters? Some other group(s)?

I also maintain that there are even further breakdowns within even the larger "buckets" we might group together where they don't even agree.

And amusingly (perhaps) its not even really a concern for this corner of the web IMO. I don't think anyone on this site is hostile to each other. By and large it seems respectful of views of SW even when in disagreement. Take @Ghost93 and I: our views on TLJ. Ghost loves TLJ, I can't stand it. But in no way do I think lesser of Ghost for said opinions for liking something I don't and I would hope the same is likewise extended to him from me.
Personally I think all of the various fandoms, however many that might be, should condemn any hatred that is being spewed. Its one thing to dislike a piece of content, its another to threaten people idle or otherwise. That should not be part of any fandom, again however many that might be. Because right or wrong the Star Wars fandom is viewed as one entity. And the longer this type of hatred goes on the more its going to be seen as a toxic fandom not worth being part of or tolerating.

And I agree its not really a thing on this site thankfully. But there is a reason why the term Fandom Menace is used by those spewing the hatred, its because they like to think they represent and speak for the fandom. So its why everyone in the fandom gets lumped in with them, again for right or wrong.

Anyways just my two cents for what its worth.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Celebration is just like D23, its going to be only the most hyped fans. So of course you aren't going to see any boos or other toxic traits.

I don't think its as shutdown at you think it is, if it was you wouldn't get the things like the threats to Wookiepedia for just updating the canon profile for a character.
It's not just celebration, it's any star wars event. And you can't say, that's just the most dedicated fan base. Because that's exactly the point. The majority of the fanbase is exactly how they should be, supportive when it's warranted and critical when it's not.

To play devil's advocate for a sec, what makes you think those threats came from fans? Anyone can go to wookiepedia and see what they changed. So I'd say it's very likely that some blowhards, hiding behind star wars fandom, are to blame. This gets picked up by the media and we see "toxic star wars fans!"
It's surprising how many people to this day how many people believe that haters drove him away from SW. Seems like he had issues that had nothing to do with anything related to SW.
It came up very recently on here. I believe I linked to the article with his mom. It's actually very interesting the things she had to say. It sounds like he's improving but not ready to get back into star wars. If he ever does, I think he will get a huge welcome back.
 

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