Star Wars: The Acolyte

[networkpro]

They are all amongst the highest watched things on the platform. Mando is the highest original series.

Is that the benchmark, it's only well watched if it's the absolute best?

It's actually far more to your liking if the premiere was well watched and everyone drops off the series as it rolls on. Which may very well be the case, we don't have any other data than the premiere, which was somewhere in the range of "strong".

It feels like you guys are only satiated if everything is a failure to the extreme degree, but that doesn't change the metrics. Like I said, you may experience great joy if the viewership metrics tank. That says a lot more about the series.

YAY Does that mean we'll get a twerking Sith tonight ?

 

[Trauma]

They are all amongst the highest watched things on the platform. Mando is the highest original series.

Is that the benchmark, it's only well watched if it's the absolute best?

It's actually far more to your liking if the premiere was well watched and everyone drops off the series as it rolls on. Which may very well be the case, we don't have any other data than the premiere, which was somewhere in the range of "strong".

It feels like you guys are only satiated if everything is a failure to the extreme degree, but that doesn't change the metrics. Like I said, you may experience great joy if the viewership metrics tank. That says a lot more about the series.

I don’t understand what we are talking about here.

This is Staw Wars.

It should be Bridgerton big or Stranger Things big.

We shouldn’t be wondering if it’s going to beat out some cartoon on Netflix.

 

[BrianLo]

I don’t understand what we are talking about here.

This is Staw Wars.

It should be Bridgerton big or Stranger Things big.

We shouldn’t be wondering if it’s going to beat out some cartoon on Netflix.

There are two things we are talking about. If the viewership is big (what I am talking about) or if the viewership is big for Star Wars (what you all keep getting latched onto).

Well setting aside the fact Mando was indeed that big. The rest are bigger than many other hits like Percy Jackson, The Bear, Shogun.

Should they be even bigger because it is Star Wars? That is what I am continuing to insist I am not talking about and keep getting dragged into. But that doesn't change the fact they are still big.


It's statements like "No one watches this" that are false that got me started. If you want to state something like the reception is lower for Star Wars, I wouldn't be here harping otherwise. The numbers are the numbers though. These are still big series, but not huge like Stranger Things and Bridgerton and Mandalorian.

 

[Trauma]

There are two things we are talking about. If the viewership is big (what I am talking about) or if the viewership is big for Star Wars (what you all keep getting latched onto).

Well setting aside the fact Mando was indeed that big. The rest are bigger than many other hits like Percy Jackson, The Bear, Shogun.

Should they be even bigger because it is Star Wars? That is what I am continuing to insist I am not talking about and keep getting dragged into. But that doesn't change the fact they are still big.


It's statements like "No one watches this" that are false that got me started. If you want to state something like the reception is lower for Star Wars, I wouldn't be here harping otherwise. The numbers are the numbers though. These are still big series, but not huge like Stranger Things and Bridgerton and Mandalorian.

I already said Mando was huge.

That’s the type of numbers these shows should be doing.

What was the budget for this $180 million?

I’m sorry but considering the budget and the Star Wars name attached to it, this is a flop.

 

[BrianLo]

What was the budget for this $180 million?

And Shogun was 250 million, had smaller viewership numbers and has a 2 season renewal despite being made as a miniseries.

I’m sorry but considering the budget

Absolutely No... We have very clear metrics of what Disney considers a success and Acolyte's premiere well, well exceeded those. Even for its budget.

and the Star Wars name attached to it,

Maybe!

this is a flop.

TBD!

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Hmm ... lawsuits?

 

[networkpro]

I'll have to say that tonight's episode was actually entertaining.


Honesty the Jedi and padawans of that era have the same survivability as the Clone troopers of later years. 8 vs 1 and the one wins ? So many deaths and unfortunately Dafne Keen Fernández's character was one of them .. If they can actually act, kill them off so they don't overshadow the rather meager skills of the protagonist.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is getting pretty good in my opinion.

 

[Trauma]

And Shogun was 250 million, had smaller viewership numbers and has a 2 season renewal despite being made as a miniseries.



Absolutely No... We have very clear metrics of what Disney considers a success and Acolyte's premiere well, well exceeded those. Even for its budget.



Maybe!



TBD!

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Early data is showing a 31% drop.

 

[Willmark]

The people already attacking her are evil scum who don't deserve to be given the chance to send more harassment her way.

I’m not a fan of harassing anyone. I’m also not a fan of (attempting) to use copyright protections to limit discourse.

And yes, I know very few people will view it for that. I’m ok with being the voice in the wilderness as it were on that one. YMMV.

It's totally fine if people don't like the show, but the hate thrown at the cast is inexcusable.

Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.

 

[Ghost93]

Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.

The hate thrown toward the Acoylte is way worse than merely not liking the output of the Mouse when it comes to Star Wars. I despised the Rise of Skywalker and thought it killed most of my excitement for any future Star Wars projects, yet I didn't follow Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver on social media to complain to them about it or harass them.

 

[Willmark]

The hate thrown toward the Acoylte is way worse than merely not liking the output of the Mouse when it comes to Star Wars.

Sure and Disney has done themselves no favors in this.

I despised the Rise of Skywalker and thought it killed most of my excitement for any future Star Wars projects,

As a fan of the Last Jedi I imagine it did do that to you. We’ve already discussed it.

As I despise The Last Jedi as much as you like it, I understand your frustration.

yet I didn't follow Daisy Ridley, John Boyega or Adam Driver on social media to complain to them about it or harass them.

Again that should be directed at those engaging in it. Because there is a (large?) cadre or people who absolutely dislike the Acolyte that has nothing to do with hate yet get lumped in there all the same.

By Daisy’s own admission (recent TV interview) she has had by and large good interactions with the fans. I’ll take her at her word.

And John? Maybe Disney shouldn’t be taking him off of movie posters in other countries and reducing his character to nothing more than running around yelling “Rey!” Every two seconds or so.

 

[Disney Irish]

Then she and those who are defending her should take it up with those engaged in such attacks rather than the broad brush that gets painted at those who disagree with the output of the Mouse when it comes to SW.

Shouldn't it be the responsibility of all in the fandom to shutdown these type of attacks? Because all it does it add fuel to the fire that the fandom at large is toxic.

As the saying goes, a few rotten apples ruins the bunch.

 

[erasure fan1]

Again that should be directed at those engaging in it. Because there is a (large?) cadre or people who absolutely dislike the Acolyte that has nothing to do with hate yet get lumped in there all the same.

I would give this multiple likes if I could. I've been harping on that for a very long time now with all of star wars. There is A LOT of things wrong with this show. You can easily spot the hate brigade. But most of the complaints I'm seeing are pretty legitimate.

By Daisy’s own admission (recent TV interview) she has had by and large good interactions with the fans. I’ll take her at her word.

Yup, Jake Lloyd said the same thing and that he still loves star wars. His mom in a recent interview debunked all the "hate" drove him crazy.

 

[erasure fan1]

Shouldn't it be the responsibility of all in the fandom to shutdown these type of attacks? Because all it does it add fuel to the fire that the fandom at large is toxic.

As the saying goes, a few rotten apples ruins the bunch.

I think they do. The problem is no one wants to report that. The fandom is toxic, it hates star wars!!! That gets clicks. Not Hayden Christensen get absolutely fantastic reception at star wars celebration. If you follow star wars, the conventions, comic con, the promo circuit with the actors.... You'll see the fandom isn't what it's made out to be.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Who needs D+ when we have threads like this!
Very entertaining AND has a greater viewership

 

[Disney Irish]

I think they do. The problem is no one wants to report that. The fandom is toxic, it hates star wars!!! That gets clicks. Not Hayden Christensen get absolutely fantastic reception at star wars celebration. If you follow star wars, the conventions, comic con, the promo circuit with the actors.... You'll see the fandom isn't what it's made out to be.

Celebration is just like D23, its going to be only the most hyped fans. So of course you aren't going to see any boos or other toxic traits.

I don't think its as shutdown at you think it is, if it was you wouldn't get the things like the threats to Wookiepedia for just updating the canon profile for a character.

 

[Willmark]

Shouldn't it be the responsibility of all in the fandom to shutdown these type of attacks? Because all it does it add fuel to the fire that the fandom at large is toxic.

As the saying goes, a few rotten apples ruins the bunch.

I’m responsible for my own actions not someone else’s.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m responsible for my own actions not someone else’s.

If that is the case then why is it mine or anyone else's responsibility to engage with those that do the attacks since they claim to represent the fandom?

And likewise if those that are doing the attacks claim to represent the fandom; then isn't it then the responsibility of the entire fandom to condemn and thus throw out such bad actors if they don't want to be lumped in with those doing the attacks?

 

[Willmark]

If that is the case then why is it mine or anyone else's responsibility to engage with those that do the attacks since they claim to represent the fandom?

And likewise if those that are doing the attacks claim to represent the fandom; then isn't it then the responsibility of the entire fandom to condemn and thus throw out such bad actors if they don't want to be lumped in with those doing the attacks?

Fandom?

There isn't a single fandom for SW anymore. It was said here a week or so ago and I agree: there are several fandoms in SW now and some of them are quite hostile to one another. So which fandom is taking on which fandom in this scenario? As I noted is it those defending ths show and its stars against the haters? Some other group(s)?

I also maintain that there are even further breakdowns within even the larger "buckets" we might group together where they don't even agree.

And amusingly (perhaps) its not even really a concern for this corner of the web IMO. I don't think anyone on this site is hostile to each other. By and large it seems respectful of views of SW even when in disagreement. Take @Ghost93 and I: our views on TLJ. Ghost loves TLJ, I can't stand it. But in no way do I think lesser of Ghost for said opinions for liking something I don't and I would hope the same is likewise extended to him from me.