Star Wars: The Acolyte

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I took some time to think about this over a BBQ sandwich with a cold Coke. It sounded amazing at the time, but when I finished it, I felt miserable. It’s exactly how I felt watching The Last Jedi. To this day, I dislike that movie, but I’m not stopping anyone from seeing it or saying you’re not a true fan for liking it.

It’s interesting that you agree with Wendy about gatekeeping, but have you considered that gatekeeping goes both ways? True gatekeeping also happens when fans who dislike the newer films are criticized or attacked for their views.

Gatekeeping involves trying to control who gets to be a “real” fan or what opinions are valid within the community, regardless of whether those opinions are positive or negative.

So, when you say there’s a lot of gatekeeping regarding Star Wars, are you sure you’re not overlooking the fact that the same thing happens to those who criticize the newer films? It’s not just about shouting down positivity regarding Disney Star Wars—it’s also about dismissing valid criticisms.

Just because Wendy experienced pushback for her positive opinions doesn’t mean that the opposite isn’t true as well. The real issue is the attempt to invalidate any differing opinion, which is a broader problem than just one side of the debate. Maybe it’s time to recognize that both positive and negative voices should be heard without being dismissed as gatekeeping.

I respect that you love Last Jedi Wendy, it just doesn’t agree with my stomach… much like the BBQ sandwich I just had.
Not to belabor this point much longer, but while I agree there has been a bit of gatekeeping on both sides one side is usually louder and more guilty of it, at least in my experience. SW is just one of those topics in which the old skool fans feel they have to protect "their" version of SW at all costs. And that anyone that is perceived to threaten that needs to be "dealt" with.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think one has to accept that maybe, just maybe, the younger generations don't hold things in the same regard that we in the older generation do. And that isn't the fault of the content in this case, that is just life.

And so just because one finds something atrocious because one has held it to different standards doesn't mean the younger generations have those same standards.

I was a little confused. Are you saying that younger generations are more likely to be "kinder" in their reviews than older ones who compare it to yesteryear?

In other words, where older generations might find TROS as trampling on Anakin's legacy, younger generations may not care? Or is it the other way around?

It’s fully legit to think they fandom has changed in 40 years…for a variety of reasons

It was up to Disney to figure out how to manipulate that. And they had a template. They’ve just been unsuccessful
 

Jedijax719

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Somehow put Han and Luke together in a movie set between ROTJ and TFA and everyone should be happy again. You can sense that with the deaging of Hamil in Mando and Ford in Indy5, it's what they're working on.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s fully legit to think they fandom has changed in 40 years…for a variety of reasons

It was up to Disney to figure out how to manipulate that. And they had a template. They’ve just been unsuccessful
Possible that template doesn't work anymore for newer generations, which is why they are trying to find a new template. We'll see how it turns out now that they are moving into High Republic and other time periods and stories outside of the Skywalker saga.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Wendy, I respect that you love The Last Jedi, and I’m not stopping anyone from enjoying it. However, if I could give The Last Jedi a score lower than zero, I would do it in a heartbeat. The movie still angers me even after 7 years. That’s just my opinion, and I might be in the minority.

Did I say I loved it? It had some issues, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I still think it unfairly gets a lot of flack for things that J.J. did - Rey's vague heritage, Luke in exile, etc.

If someone can write a good review why it deserves zero stars, they can have at it. I do think a lot of people just wield that as a tool to slam it aggressively.
 

CinematicFusion

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Somehow put Han and Luke together in a movie set between ROTJ and TFA and everyone should be happy again. You can sense that with the deaging of Hamil in Mando and Ford in Indy5, it's what they're working on.
Star Wars needs characters that are as charismatic as Ford and Hamill, just electric on the screen together. Someone who chews up the screen and you can’t wait to watch them again.
Hard to find
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Somehow put Han and Luke together in a movie set between ROTJ and TFA and everyone should be happy again. You can sense that with the deaging of Hamil in Mando and Ford in Indy5, it's what they're working on.
That assumes they can get Harrison back for one more go at the character he literally asked them to kill off so he didn't have to play him anymore.
 

CinematicFusion

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Did I say I loved it? It had some issues, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I still think it unfairly gets a lot of flack for things that J.J. did - Rey's vague heritage, Luke in exile, etc.

If someone can write a good review why it deserves zero stars, they can have at it. I do think a lot of people just wield that as a tool to slam it aggressively.
Review Title: A Deep Disappointment: The Mishandling of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi

Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆ (zero stars)

Review:

The Last Jedi’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker is a profound misstep that undermines the character’s legacy. Luke, once the epitome of hope and determination, is reduced to a disillusioned hermit who abandons his friends and the galaxy. This drastic transformation feels forced and inconsistent with his established persona. Even Mark Hamill, who has portrayed Luke for decades, expressed his dissatisfaction with this direction. The character’s arc in this film is a disservice to the rich, heroic legacy that fans have cherished, making The Last Jedi a significant disappointment.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Review Title: A Deep Disappointment: The Mishandling of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi

Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆ (zero stars)

Review:

The Last Jedi’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker is a profound misstep that undermines the character’s legacy. Luke, once the epitome of hope and determination, is reduced to a disillusioned hermit who abandons his friends and the galaxy. This drastic transformation feels forced and inconsistent with his established persona. Even Mark Hamill, who has portrayed Luke for decades, expressed his dissatisfaction with this direction. The character’s arc in this film is a disservice to the rich, heroic legacy that fans have cherished, making The Last Jedi a significant disappointment.
Funny, you just posted a review that is exactly what I just touched upon in this post from a bit ago.

Well I am a Gen Xer, and I connect with Luke in all the films from OT to ST. Many just couldn't accept that their hero's get old and grow and that changes ones outlook on life, and that unfortunately sometimes means those hero's getting disillusioned about things. And yep you're right too many wanted the Luke that they built up in their mind, something that was impossible.
 

CinematicFusion

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That assumes they can get Harrison back for one more go at the character he literally asked them to kill off so he didn't have to play him anymore.
Such a huge missed opportunity. Boyega and Ford had great chemistry, and seeing Ford and Hamill getting into trouble one more time would have been epic. If they had offered Ford $30 million for Episode 8, I bet he wouldn’t have said no.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Possible that template doesn't work anymore for newer generations, which is why they are trying to find a new template. We'll see how it turns out now that they are moving into High Republic and other time periods and stories outside of the Skywalker saga.
I’m talking about MCU…it was right there

But you have to make great material

All roads lead home
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Such a huge missed opportunity. Boyega and Ford had great chemistry, and seeing Ford and Hamill getting into trouble one more time would have been epic. If they had offered Ford $30 million for Episode 8, I bet he wouldn’t have said no.
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being a paycheck player, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being about the paycheck, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
Because they were completely wrong

Are we gonna relitigate the common sense stuff too?
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
Funny, you just posted a review that is exactly what I just touched upon in this post from a bit ago.
It wasn’t about Luke getting old or needing to be a superhero. The real issue my friends and I had with the film was how it portrayed Luke quitting on the Force, shutting himself away from the galaxy, and abandoning his friends and family. It wasn’t the idea of him going into hiding that bothered us; he could have gone into hiding while still preparing to train Rey and studying his new nemesis. The Force Awakens even hints that Skywalker was watching over Rey. The disappointment stemmed from how drastically his character was changed.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It wasn’t about Luke getting old or needing to be a superhero. The real issue my friends and I had with the film was how it portrayed Luke quitting on the Force, shutting himself away from the galaxy, and abandoning his friends and family. It wasn’t the idea of him going into hiding that bothered us; he could have gone into hiding while still preparing to train Rey and studying his new nemesis. The Force Awakens even hints that Skywalker was watching over Rey. The disappointment stemmed from how drastically his character was changed.
And with a 5 second google search…you can hear Mark hamill hammer away at it
 

CinematicFusion

Well-Known Member
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being a paycheck player, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
He came back for ep.9 for a scene. Anyway, point is huge missed opportunity. Did Disney ask him back for 30 million and he said no? I don’t think anyone asked him to come back for ep. 8.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Because they were completely wrong

Are we gonna relitigate the common sense stuff too?
You can argue this til the cows come home, and not disagreeing with you, but it still doesn't change the fact that the actor who made the character famous didn't and still doesn't want to play the character anymore.
 

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