Star Wars Launch Bay coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios later this year

tokengator

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It doesn't apply to all lands as broader stories allow for a greater variety. Properties are, by their very nature, specific. Cars Land much always use those types of characters, it can never have something more general to motoring the way Car Land could have. Star Wars Land can't contain other space fantasy stories.

Star Wars doesn't have many worlds to work with which is why they're building a new location that can be far more built and ornate than anything seen so far.

I disagree about star wars not having many worlds to work with. They can pretty much do whatever they want, similar to what they did with this land -- dream something up and tie it in how they see fit. Now with more star wars entities on the way (Rogue One , Hans Solo and Boba Fett) they have plenty more to work with.

Also if you are interested in Rogue One I came across this earlier today:



Darth Vader returns!
 
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tokengator

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Okay kiddos, can we get back to talking about the Launch Bay again, or is that topic panned out? With the premier has anyone seen anything over the top special happening there?

Since launch bay is basically a giant cross promotion vehicle, and with Rogue One slated for release in 2016, I think we wager good money on something related to Rogue One coming to it.
 

doctornick

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Star Wars doesn't have many worlds to work with which is why they're building a new location that can be far more built and ornate than anything seen so far.

Huh?

I can buy the criticism or dislike of single IP lands. But I don't see how anyone can argue with a straight face that Star Wars "doesn't have many worlds to work with" and, in fact, I think the reason they picked a new world (in addition to promoting the new trilogy) was so as not to "leave out" the world that weren't chosen. I mean, Tatooine, Hoth, Bespin, Dagobah, Endor, Naboo, Coruscant, Kashyyyk, Geonosis, Kamino, Utapau, Mustafar.... and that's just from the existing 6 films (not including the upcoming ones or the cartoons). It would be incredibly easy to develop multiple distinct settings for Star Wars based lands if it were desired.
 

doctornick

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Yeah, didn't Patton Oswalt do the voice for Remy in Ratatouille?

Yes and he has a recurring role on Agents of SHIELD as well. Must be a mole for Disney!

Oswalt is also a self proclaimed obsessive nerd who is into all the geeky comic book, sci fi type of stuff. So, being excited about Star Wars doesn't exactly come as a surprise regardless of any past work he's done for Disney. Also, he did a pretty funny monologue (allegedly completely ad libbed) on some nerd stuff during Parks and Rec:



Anyway, getting back to the point: "Social Media Bordello" and the implication that Disney is paying off people to say good things about TFA is just laughable. I mean, I wouldn't put too much stock into these early comments as you generally always hear great things from people who attend premiers -- the guests are excited to watch these hyped up films and are often people really into the source material so they are going to tend to be positive. Nobody should buy much into these little twitter comments -- the real reviews will be out soon enough which should be more objective.
 

Enderikari

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You aren't paying attention, or you have an agenda if you think ford91exploder hates Disney. Maybe pay more attention so you can see through your Disney employee mask and read what he has to say, you might realize he is critical because he loves Disney and doesn't hate it. You don't understand because you don't want to.

He doesn't hate Disney.
Pessimistic, and cynical in an EXTREME about absolutely everything.
But, I am sure that he probably likes Disney.
Too bad none of that over-arching Theme of optimism didn't rub off on him... At all
 

lazyboy97o

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Huh?

I can buy the criticism or dislike of single IP lands. But I don't see how anyone can argue with a straight face that Star Wars "doesn't have many worlds to work with" and, in fact, I think the reason they picked a new world (in addition to promoting the new trilogy) was so as not to "leave out" the world that weren't chosen. I mean, Tatooine, Hoth, Bespin, Dagobah, Endor, Naboo, Coruscant, Kashyyyk, Geonosis, Kamino, Utapau, Mustafar.... and that's just from the existing 6 films (not including the upcoming ones or the cartoons). It would be incredibly easy to develop multiple distinct settings for Star Wars based lands if it were desired.
Just because you can name locations doesn't mean there are defined places. Most of Star Wars' iconic locales are inhospitable landscapes. There are very few unique, inhabited locations that have any sort of depth. Most of the iconic locations that are a built environment feature little more than a few mostly blank walls.
 

tokengator

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Just because you can name locations doesn't mean there are defined places. Most of Star Wars' iconic locales are inhospitable landscapes. There are very few unique, inhabited locations that have any sort of depth. Most of the iconic locations that are a built environment feature little more than a few mostly blank walls.

even a land set in Hoth based around one of the bases with Walkers scattered around would be an amazing draw. I really think you are selling the ideas short. With the right design team and detail they could make any of the landscapes work
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Just because you can name locations doesn't mean there are defined places. Most of Star Wars' iconic locales are inhospitable landscapes. There are very few unique, inhabited locations that have any sort of depth. Most of the iconic locations that are a built environment feature little more than a few mostly blank walls.
I'm waiting for tha Ewok Village announcement that should be coming any day now :)
 

lazyboy97o

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even a land set in Hoth based around one of the bases with Walkers scattered around would be an amazing draw. I really think you are selling the ideas short. With the right design team and detail they could make any of the landscapes work
A base is just a display of props. It's large open spaces and some equipment, aesthetically and experientially similar to the failed studio concept. The failing of The Launch Bay but at a larger scale.
 

tokengator

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I'm waiting for tha Ewok Village announcement that should be coming any day now :)

and the cute cuddly Ewoks (questionable if they belong in something like star wars but that is George for you).

I wouldn't be surprised if George included the ewoks with a theme park type attraction in mind. The whole set up of their village and their design just screams it. And of course what has been said about Lucas inserting characters specifically with toys and stuff like that in mind --- I really wouldn't be surprised.

Didn't lucas look into building a star wars theme park?
 

doctornick

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A base is just a display of props. It's large open spaces and some equipment, aesthetically and experientially similar to the failed studio concept. The failing of The Launch Bay but at a larger scale.

Suffice to say that I wholely disagree, as any themed land can be broken down into the basics of its concept and just as easily dismissed. You could easily build fantastic themed lands out of Star Wars locales and, perhaps ironically, the fact that there are few truly "iconic" specific buildings would make it a Imagineers dream as you have a solid canvas for the basis but a lot of specifics that could be filled in with great creativity.

However, that ignores your earlier point:

It doesn't apply to all lands as broader stories allow for a greater variety. Properties are, by their very nature, specific. Cars Land much always use those types of characters, it can never have something more general to motoring the way Car Land could have. Star Wars Land can't contain other space fantasy stories.

Star Wars doesn't have many worlds to work with which is why they're building a new location that can be far more built and ornate than anything seen so far.

You specifically brought up that these IP lands don't allow for a variety of stories, but that's where Star Wars is quite different from Cars Land or even Harry Potter -- you have multiple differently themed areas that are "Star Wars" but very distinct and able to be used to tell very different stories. We aren't limited by this as yet unnamed planet that is the setting for the concept art, but any expansion for Star Wards has a number of different opportunities that could be considered. And the beauty is that, due to the large number of options, WDI could focus on what makes the best theme park experience rather than forcing something for advertisement sake.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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and the cute cuddly Ewoks (questionable if they belong in something like star wars but that is George for you).

I wouldn't be surprised if George included the ewoks with a theme park type attraction in mind. The whole set up of their village and their design just screams it. And of course what has been said about Lucas inserting characters specifically with toys and stuff like that in mind --- I really wouldn't be surprised.

Didn't lucas look into building a star wars theme park?
I believe he did at one time but that would cost some serious money with a capital $. I don't know the exact details but I think this lead to Lucas signing a partnership with Disney regarding using Star Wars / Indiana Jones IP's. I.e. - Star Tours. And that lead to Lucas and Iger reaching an agreement to buy LucasFilm.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Suffice to say that I wholely disagree, as any themed land can be broken down into the basics of its concept and just as easily dismissed. You could easily build fantastic themed lands out of Star Wars locales and, perhaps ironically, the fact that there are few truly "iconic" specific buildings would make it a Imagineers dream as you have a solid canvas for the basis but a lot of specifics that could be filled in with great creativity.

However, that ignores your earlier point:

You could look at something like Ellen's energy ride over at EPCOT. A slow moving, 45 minute ride that could visit all of those different lands you listed. I know it wouldn't be a 5 minute wait time or basically a walk on ride.



You specifically brought up that these IP lands don't allow for a variety of stories, but that's where Star Wars is quite different from Cars Land or even Harry Potter -- you have multiple differently themed areas that are "Star Wars" but very distinct and able to be used to tell very different stories. We aren't limited by this as yet unnamed planet that is the setting for the concept art, but any expansion for Star Wards has a number of different opportunities that could be considered. And the beauty is that, due to the large number of options, WDI could focus on what makes the best theme park experience rather than forcing something for advertisement sake.
 

Matt_Black

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This is just healthy debate, if you don't want people to provide opposing views then don't post your opinions on the internet. I understand the opposition to non-Disney IP's, but personally this never bothered me. Disney's specialty has always been themed entertainment so it doesn't make a difference to me whether they apply it to their own IP's or others. Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Forbidden Eye is over 20 years old and still holds up as one the best theme park rides I have ever been on. It is a great example of Disney applying their expertise to an outside IP.

You bring up a good point. Disney and Lucas had an excellent working relationship for decades before the buy-out. Star Wars & Indy have been in the Disney Parks family so long that the purchase didn't seem strange at all to me. As someone on another message board said, "This wasn't a quick marriage in Vegas; this was finally putting a ring on it after years of dating."
 

lazyboy97o

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Suffice to say that I wholely disagree, as any themed land can be broken down into the basics of its concept and just as easily dismissed. You could easily build fantastic themed lands out of Star Wars locales and, perhaps ironically, the fact that there are few truly "iconic" specific buildings would make it a Imagineers dream as you have a solid canvas for the basis but a lot of specifics that could be filled in with great creativity.

However, that ignores your earlier point:

You specifically brought up that these IP lands don't allow for a variety of stories, but that's where Star Wars is quite different from Cars Land or even Harry Potter -- you have multiple differently themed areas that are "Star Wars" but very distinct and able to be used to tell very different stories. We aren't limited by this as yet unnamed planet that is the setting for the concept art, but any expansion for Star Wards has a number of different opportunities that could be considered. And the beauty is that, due to the large number of options, WDI could focus on what makes the best theme park experience rather than forcing something for advertisement sake.
A military base being utilitarian is not breaking t down into basics, it is what it is. Just as the blank walls are what constitutes a lot of the set dressing in the Star Wars universe.

Any property can have lots of new lands created, but that undermines the whole point of using a property, established familiarity. Using properties is about using what is established otherwise there is no point. At the very least that means following a certain established aesthetic and in the case of Star Wars it is not a very ornate aesthetic and in most cases it is utilitarian.
 

tokengator

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Matt_Black

Well-Known Member
A military base being utilitarian is not breaking t down into basics, it is what it is. Just as the blank walls are what constitutes a lot of the set dressing in the Star Wars universe.

Any property can have lots of new lands created, but that undermines the whole point of using a property, established familiarity. Using properties is about using what is established otherwise there is no point. At the very least that means following a certain established aesthetic and in the case of Star Wars it is not a very ornate aesthetic and in most cases it is utilitarian.

The aesthetic was never the main draw of Star Wars though. It's the CHARACTERS of the films that are the draw.
 

tokengator

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looking more and more like the initial buzz is legit

and several critics not only saying this is good but the best film of 2015 -- wow. I am excited.
 

Matt_Black

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looking more and more like the initial buzz is legit

and several critics not only saying this is good but the best film of 2015 -- wow. I am excited.

Someone pointed out somewhere that J.J. is an excellent director when it comes to set-up. It's the next part that's problematic for him (see every subsequent season of Lost after the first or Star Trek Into Darkness). Fortunately, he's not directing the next film.
 

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