Star Wars Land vs Wizarding World

[JusticeDisney]

This is opinion.
Reminds my of that woman who wanted to ban childless adults from WDW. Just because you think that it would make your life easier doesn't mean that your opinion hold merit.

And just because it is someone’s opinion doesn’t mean that it does not have merit.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Health problems related to second hand smoke are in fact a real thing, and the fact that you claim to not personally know anyone who has been bothered by it doesn’t change that.

And you’re correct, I have zero concern for people who still smoke. It’s their choice and if they want to voluntarily speed up their decline they are free to do so. As long as they do so in a manner where people who have the equal right to be free of smoke don’t have to inhale their second hand smoke.

Okay, now let’s return to the topic started in this thread, lol!

I would but real life is far more important then any freaking wizard you care to name. I do not accept all the hype about second hand smoke because at this point every respiratory problem that happens to anyone that has possibly walked past a smoker and they picked up an odor is just a convenient, misdirected finger point. There, of course, can be a problem aggravated by smoke, but that is not by any stretch as magnified as it has become. I'm have a terrible adverse reaction to being shot, but, we haven't banned guns or bullets. People are born with health problems, they are not all caused by someone 50 feet away having a cigarette in the open air. I have a grandson with asthma and he has never been exposed to anyone smoking in his life. Health problems happen and they are not all caused by the evil habits of others. It's just easier to blame them instead of admitting that we were born with some of those "weaknesses".

But, you are correct, this isn't the place to be discussing it. I didn't start it, just replied to it. So, this will be my final word on the subject. Here at least! The bolded line is really the just of my concern. Thanks for making that clear.

 

[JusticeDisney]

I would but real life is far more important then any freaking wizard you care to name. I do not accept all the hype about second hand smoke because at this point every respiratory problem that happens to anyone that has possibly walked past a smoker and they picked up an odor is just a convenient, misdirected finger point. There, of course, can be a problem aggravated by smoke, but that is not by any stretch as magnified as it has become. I'm have a terrible adverse reaction to being shot, but, we haven't banned guns or bullets. People are born with health problems, they are not all caused by someone 50 feet away having a cigarette in the open air. I have a grandson with asthma and he has never been exposed to anyone smoking in his life. Health problems happen and they are not all caused by the evil habits of others. It's just easier to blame them instead of admitting that we were born with some of those "weaknesses".

But, you are correct, this isn't the place to be discussing it. I didn't start it, just replied to it. So, this will be my final word on the subject. Here at least! The bolded line is really the just of my concern. Thanks for making that clear.

You are absolutely correct that not all health problems are caused by the evil of others. Indeed, I never said otherwise. But you are simply dead wrong if you think that second hand smoke causes zero problems for people.

 

[JusticeDisney]

I would but real life is far more important then any freaking wizard you care to name. I do not accept all the hype about second hand smoke because at this point every respiratory problem that happens to anyone that has possibly walked past a smoker and they picked up an odor is just a convenient, misdirected finger point. There, of course, can be a problem aggravated by smoke, but that is not by any stretch as magnified as it has become. I'm have a terrible adverse reaction to being shot, but, we haven't banned guns or bullets. People are born with health problems, they are not all caused by someone 50 feet away having a cigarette in the open air. I have a grandson with asthma and he has never been exposed to anyone smoking in his life. Health problems happen and they are not all caused by the evil habits of others. It's just easier to blame them instead of admitting that we were born with some of those "weaknesses".

But, you are correct, this isn't the place to be discussing it. I didn't start it, just replied to it. So, this will be my final word on the subject. Here at least! The bolded line is really the just of my concern. Thanks for making that clear.

Oh, and that attempted gun analogy was laughable. Sorry, but it was.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

One issue with Galaxy's Edge is that some spaces have too much space ready for huge crowds and other areas can't cope with the people who are coming.

At Diagon Alley, the walkways are all the sort of size you expect them to be and yet they built multiple "hidden" wand shops to cope with demand.

I had the same thought, watching walkthroughs. The pathways are huuuuge, while places like the marketplace and especially Oga's are way too small out of the gate. I mean, the land IS 14 acres... No excuse, really. I guess they were planning space for people to stand in line for the actual, tiny offerings.

 

[Chef Mickey]

That means that it's likely the majority not that I'm doubting it is a majority just not overwhelming, just louder. I smoked for years and I managed after many, many tries to finally quit. I know the direct danger of smoking, my concern is the absolute callousness of those that feel that even if they have to make up a problem they are hell bent on getting their own way regardless of the pain of withdrawal it causes others. What's done is done, but, some of what has been done is completely unnecessary. Having been a smoker I can tell you that the more people fight them the more determined smokers are to tell you to shove it where the sun don't shine. Maybe just a little human compassion like we show for people with other addictions should be part of basic human nature and response.

I'm shocked you were a smoker.

The point I'm making is more smoking areas don't help non-smokers. Smokers should have to go out of their way to smoke in a secluded, designated area. If they don't like it, too bad. The majority rules. In this case, the overwhelming majority.

This isn't about compassion...it's about pleasing the greatest number.

As far as Star Wars Land is concerned, it seems to have an advantage due to the IP being generally stronger and popular among more demographics. My vote would be Star Wars.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

IMO what will define SWGE is how they evolve it. Potter was great when it opened. The evolution - into another land - the connection between lands - is what makes it for me (obviously the theme and rides help)

I'm going to be really disappointed if there is not another "announcement" in a year or 2 about expansion/increased presence. Thus far (only based on what I've read/seen on Social Media), the main drawback for me is the lack of original trilogy connections.

 

[Chef Mickey]

This is opinion.
Reminds my of that woman who wanted to ban childless adults from WDW. Just because you think that it would make your life easier doesn't mean that your opinion hold merit.

You're not really comparing smoking in public places to banning people without kids are you? Pretty laughable.

Tons of places are non smoking because the vast majority in America don't want smoke in their faces. You used to be able to smoke on planes, in restaurants, and in public places. Then people realized how stupid it is for 1 person to be able to ruin the experience for 50 others and it was banned.

I hope Galaxy's Edge has 0 designated smoking areas.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Enough with the smoking talk. My original smart*ss comment was directly aimed @BoarderPhreak - kind of reminiscing on the apocalyptic original thread when the policy was announced. It was sarcasm.

Can we move on now?

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Enough with the smoking talk. My original smart*ss comment was directly aimed @BoarderPhreak - kind of reminiscing on the apocalyptic original thread when the policy was announced. It was sarcasm.

Can we move on now?

Don't drag me into this mess.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

It depends on what you are into. Sounds like you are a Potter fan. I don't give to cents for Harry or JK Rawling (or her politics). I find those movies boring and definitely not exciting. I have no desire to visit Potter Land or walk around in dirty looking back alleys. So again, it is just about what you are into...

I wrote this in another thread but thought to post it here since the debate on which is better (successful) will happen here:
While I am not a fan of the current SW Trilogy, I can't help but think that WDW SEGE can be nothing less than a success. It will succeed because they have family trapped in the bubble year round. Most families are visiting each park once; Disney even sells their special ticket discounts to promote this behavior.

Just like these families were planning their entire day at DHS before TSL opened (While we were arguing that it was a half day park), families will continue this pattern. Each park at least once. Try to explore SWGE because the internet tells them to. Buy Blue Milk because Instagramers tell them to. Buy their kid a lightsaber because the mom that lives down the street did for her kid. It is the same behavior pattern that we see across property.

WDW SWGE can be nothing but a success with a trapped audience, biting on all of the lures that Disney lays out for them. It won't matter how the ST is viewed by the public. People will go because they are in Florida, in WDW and in DHS on at least one day of their trip. You will not see the ghost town that we have seen at the West coast property.

Cards on the table, I was always a huge Star Wars Fan. Had never seen any of the Harry Potter films or read the books when we booked a trip to Uni a few years ago. My family rented the movies, one a week leading up our trip. I will agree, that for the first two films, they were ok, but I understood they were aimed at younger audiences, what was amazing was to see the actors grow up and the films mature along with them as they progressed and think it at least rivals Star Wars. I have friends that were not fans of the films, and still found Diagon Ally to be breathtaking. The attention to detail is really worth a visit. And as I said before, the nature of the films leaves it all feeling very organic, you are in a theme park, but all the shops and food stalls, it all just works right in the context of the films.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Cards on the table, I was always a huge Star Wars Fan. Had never seen any of the Harry Potter films or read the books when we booked a trip to Uni a few years ago. My family rented the movies, one a week leading up our trip. I will agree, that for the first two films, they were ok, but I understood they were aimed at younger audiences, what was amazing was to see the actors grow up and the films mature along with them as they progressed and think it at least rivals Star Wars. I have friends that were not fans of the films, and still found Diagon Ally to be breathtaking. The attention to detail is really worth a visit. And as I said before, the nature of the films leaves it all feeling very organic, you are in a theme park, but all the shops and food stalls, it all just works right in the context of the films.

I agree with this. I had never considered Uni a necessarily "Immersive" experience until they opened Potter.

 

[Kingoglow]

Smokers should have to go out of their way to smoke in a secluded, designated area. If they don't like it, too bad. The majority rules. In this case, the overwhelming majority.

This isn't about compassion...it's about pleasing the greatest number.

Wow... do you feel this way about disabled people too? A very very small minority of people that get front of line at the bus stops, for example. Or omnimovers like Haunted Mansion stop entirely to let disabled people to board/unload the ride vehicles. Do you think that the majority should get to say 'we don't appreciate that behavior' and stomp our feet and put access for disabled people at a disadvantage?

Just wondering if you feel this way about all minorities or if you just hate particular group of minorities? Generally speaking, in this country, we feel that it is unjust for a majority to vote out rights of the minority.

 

[Kingoglow]

You're not really comparing smoking in public places to banning people without kids are you? Pretty laughable.

I am comparing two examples of people with opinions; they feel that they are righteous in demanding that other groups get restricted because they view themselves as 'more than' others.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Wow... do you feel this way about disabled people too? A very very small minority of people that get front of line at the bus stops, for example. Or omnimovers like Haunted Mansion stop entirely to let disabled people to board/unload the ride vehicles. Do you think that the majority should get to say 'we don't appreciate that behavior' and stomp our feet and put access for disabled people at a disadvantage?

Just wondering if you feel this way about all minorities or if you just hate particular group of minorities? Generally speaking, in this country, we feel that it is unjust for a majority to vote out rights of the minority.

You just compared smokers to disabled people. Bwahahahahahaha! Yep, you actually did that! Wow, just when you think you’ve seen it all on the internet!

 

[zurj]

Wizarding World works because they are based on things people actually like about the Harry Potter franchise. Galaxy's Edge is failing to connect with audiences because it's "Just kind of Star Wars and not actually Star Wars." With the exception of the Millennium Falcon there is nothing there for fans of classic Star Wars, or even modern Star Wars for that matter. What is the point of making a Star Wars land if it's a place no one cares about or knows? "Making your own adventure" sounds like a nice excuse people are trying to give, but that's not what the fans want. Fans do not care about roleplaying in some unknown location that has no emotional or relevant ties to what they care about in the franchise. Especially when the franchise had a massive amount of inspired locations they could have pulled from. GE is failing in California big time, and while I have no doubt Florida's will do better I think it's going to disappoint a lot of fans, and not remain a busy location for long.

Gonna piggy back on this a little bit, and make a prediction about Epic Universe. Your post is spot on about Harry Potter. People LOVE Harry Potter and Uni hit it out of the parks (pun intended) with both lands, hence their surge in theme park fandom. People getting to visit the actual places in the books (for me) and movies (for others) is a what people are falling over themselves to spend money on, even if they can't afford it. Harry Potter sells... just look at Lego's numbers in new Harry Potter toys last year. But people do not care about the Wizarding World. Fantastic Beast's Lego sets did not move the needle. If Epic Universe thinks people will come to a Wizarding World based on Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, then they are fooling themselves. Sure, some people will come, but not like people flock to what Harrry Potter brings. Harry Potter matters, but having a theme park land based on the Wizarding World will not move the needle unless it is built specifically around the Harry Potter franchise specifically.

Same goes for Star Wars. Disney had an opportunity with this land to hit it out of the park as well, and they went for Star Wars Universe rather than the characters and the lands within said universe that matter. Sure people will come to see Galexy's Edge like they do any new land at a Disney park. But it will not be the be all/end all that Disney was hoping for. The Star Wars universe is cool I'm sure, but the hoards are not going to flock to see this land (especially at the prices Disney charges) that they have no emotional attachment to. Any Wizarding World built around non-Harry Potter based movies/books will flop. Any Star Wars land built around non Skywalker characters will flop.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Gonna piggy back on this a little bit, and make a prediction about Epic Universe. Your post is spot on about Harry Potter. People LOVE Harry Potter and Uni hit it out of the parks (pun intended) with both lands, hence their surge in theme park fandom. People getting to visit the actual places in the books (for me) and movies (for others) is a what people are falling over themselves to spend money on, even if they can't afford it. Harry Potter sells... just look at Lego's numbers in new Harry Potter toys last year. But people do not care about the Wizarding World. Fantastic Beast's Lego sets did not move the needle. If Epic Universe thinks people will come to a Wizarding World based on Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, then they are fooling themselves. Sure, some people will come, but not like people flock to what Harrry Potter brings. Harry Potter matters, but having a theme park land based on the Wizarding World will not move the needle unless it is built specifically around the Harry Potter franchise specifically.

Same goes for Star Wars. Disney had an opportunity with this land to hit it out of the park as well, and they went for Star Wars Universe rather than the characters and the lands within said universe that matter. Sure people will come to see Galexy's Edge like they do any new land at a Disney park. But it will not be the be all/end all that Disney was hoping for. The Star Wars universe is cool I'm sure, but the hoards are not going to flock to see this land (especially at the prices Disney charges) that they have no emotional attachment to. Any Wizarding World built around non-Harry Potter based movies/books will flop. Any Star Wars land built around non Skywalker characters will flop.

So which is it for SWGE, people will come to it or it will flop?

 

[zurj]

So which is it for SWGE, people will come to it or it will flop?

Unsure if you're trolling, or just didn't read...

 

[JusticeDisney]

Unsure if you're trolling, or just didn't read...

Oh, I read it. At one point you said people will still come like they do to all Disney parks. And then at another point you said it would be a flop. I’m just wondering which of those two it’s actually going to be in your opinion?

 

[Chef Mickey]

Wow... do you feel this way about disabled people too? A very very small minority of people that get front of line at the bus stops, for example. Or omnimovers like Haunted Mansion stop entirely to let disabled people to board/unload the ride vehicles. Do you think that the majority should get to say 'we don't appreciate that behavior' and stomp our feet and put access for disabled people at a disadvantage?

Just wondering if you feel this way about all minorities or if you just hate particular group of minorities? Generally speaking, in this country, we feel that it is unjust for a majority to vote out rights of the minority.

Of course not. That is a ridiculous leap, don't you think? Choosing to smoke and disabilities aren't the same. A lot of people have personal struggles, but it's not Disney's job to enable them because they are fighting an addiction or bad life choices. Disabilities are a completely different topic and it's offensive you jumped at the opportunity to compare them.

I'm done with this topic as it's gotten ridiculous and it's off-topic.