the only people who would know that this could possibly star wars would be the geeks like me who roam these boards
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Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Oh I don't disagree that this area looks like SWL in the concept art. I'm just saying the possibility exists that it will not actually be located there, but rather Disney is using the TSL concept art to advertise the future SWL area as well. Keep SWL in the minds of people, especially since it is several years away from becoming a reality. Look at how much they are promoting SW in their TV ads, but yet we all know there is very little SW that is new.
WhatJaneSays
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With all this talk of the existing Star Tours location, speculative locations for SWL, and tunnels ... wouldn't it be adventitious to turn the exit for Star Tours around? Leave Tatooine Traders as a stand alone store (re-theme it to be an airport terminal inspired store for Star Tour) and have Star Tours exit into the new land. Provided of course the land is near where they can re-route the exit. Seems like that would be a cute "bonus" entrance.
SCOTLORR
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This actually would work. they could re-construct the exit out of star tours into a new pathway that wraps behind muppets courtyard, and connects into SWL.
SCOTLORR
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Something like this perhaps. The red line is the main path into SWL, but if you ride star tours prior to entering SWL, you exit the ride by using the blue path. Orange of course is where SWL would be located. I think this could work, I actually prefer it located here rather than Indy/parking lot area.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
That would be very tricky to do since there is a service road back.
SCOTLORR
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I know there was a report a while back that a road was getting moved. Is there a chance this service road you mentioned could be the one getting moved/replaced?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Good point, the entrance road may eventually go away, which means they could move the service road.
doctornick
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Yeah, they could use the current entry road as the park perimeter service road, which would allow them to use the current service road for additional in park space.
No Name
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I am very confused. What evidence is there that Star Wars land will still be going in the Indy stunt show or echo lake area?
Or I'll ask it this way: What evidence is there that Star Wars land isn't going in the Streets of America / LMA area?
That little part of the concept art for Toy Story Land appears to be very Star Warsey, and if it is slightly off from the actual land, I'm sure it's just artist interpretation or lack of detail. Or maybe intended to capture our attention and confuse us to hell. I don't know. Looks Star Wars to me.
Catastrophe Canyon and the Premiere Theater were demolished. Disney just closed and walled off that area of the park. Bob Iger, I think, said that construction on both lands would begin in April, and oh hey, look what month it is! DL "started" on their land clearing in January, so ironically enough, I don't know if the CEO is most reliable source of information. Still, the point stands that it is now April, and a section of the park just got walled off. If it isn't for Star Wars land, what is that for? Do we really think they are starting construction on an unannounced project?
I, personally, think it makes far more sense for the land to be adjacent to Star Tours, in the stunt show / echo lake area. But all evidence leads against that, so I am seriously and genuinely confused as to why so many still have doubts.
Or I'll ask it this way: What evidence is there that Star Wars land isn't going in the Streets of America / LMA area?
That little part of the concept art for Toy Story Land appears to be very Star Warsey, and if it is slightly off from the actual land, I'm sure it's just artist interpretation or lack of detail. Or maybe intended to capture our attention and confuse us to hell. I don't know. Looks Star Wars to me.
Catastrophe Canyon and the Premiere Theater were demolished. Disney just closed and walled off that area of the park. Bob Iger, I think, said that construction on both lands would begin in April, and oh hey, look what month it is! DL "started" on their land clearing in January, so ironically enough, I don't know if the CEO is most reliable source of information. Still, the point stands that it is now April, and a section of the park just got walled off. If it isn't for Star Wars land, what is that for? Do we really think they are starting construction on an unannounced project?
I, personally, think it makes far more sense for the land to be adjacent to Star Tours, in the stunt show / echo lake area. But all evidence leads against that, so I am seriously and genuinely confused as to why so many still have doubts.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Because multiple people who have delivered reliable inside information in the past are still hearing that it's most likely going in the front of the park. There are also several advantages to using the front, it would put the land directly adjacent to Star Tours, and it would allow the back to be used as a staging are for all the major projects that are going to be going on in the park. We do know that the construction entrance will come right in behind where Cat Canyon was. With that said, everyone does seem to acknowledge that there might have been a change in plans that hasn't leaked out yet.
I am still hoping that it's going in the front of the park, because if it goes in LMA then I think there will be less chance of a major third phase.
Mike S
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Wasn't the rumor that phase 3 is already included in whatever budget was approved for DHS?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Yes, but budgets can change.
Mike S
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Especially at Disney. Almost forgot.
BrianLo
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True, although none of the insiders seem to be commenting. Feel free to correct me as I may have missed a recent comment on the matter.
I don't think staging will be an issue, the left-over 4 or so acres from the 18.5 would be quite adequate. It would likely occupy the same expansion pad that is being leftover in Disneyland for the lands future.
I think one of the main reasons I'm hoping for the SOA/LMA area is because otherwise seeing Star Wars finished this decade in WDW is completely out the window.
I'm still hopeful someone is bright enough to realize cancelling the third phase would be extremely unwise. Otherwise, the great DHS redo does nothing more to close the gap between North America's best park (Disneyland) and its worse, other than Toy Story...
ToTBellHop
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The only project where I'm 100% confident of location is Toy Story Land lol.
I THINK SWL will still go to the front of the park but given recent swipes of the budget axe, I wouldn't be surprised to see SWL move to the back of the park with no Phase 3. Disgusted, but not surprised. The budget originally approved has about $600 million for Phase 3. Surely they can afford that.
BrianLo
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My worry is that somehow they'd burn through the money completely with two garages, Star Wars and Toy Story.
I can't get too upset if they quelled TSL from getting out of hand, IF it preserves the third phase.
Otherwise, frankly this whole project does nothing to really attract me back to WDW and DHS. I'll just go to Disneyland for Star Wars.
No Name
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Ignohippo, possibly Steve, and others are saying it's going in the front, sure. But Marni is telling a very different tale about this entire thing (other than cuts occuring
). So we have people saying both, and Disney has given overwhelming evidence in favor of the latter, which makes me lean toward the back of the park being the spot.Bit off of this topic, but I'd rather Marni be correct here because he also hinted that the millenium falcon ride has actual motion rather than being purely a simulator. And that would be cool. Also, Ignohippo had a more negative outlook on the attractions and said that buildings would be reused for the land. I'd rather them start from stratch, personally, just so that everything is sparkling new.
And yeah, of course I want a phase three, but if they really are hacking at Toy Story Land's budget and making cuts all over the place... I see a 1% chance of phase 3 beginning construction under Chapek or even under Iger. New management gives me hope. Outside of tiki rooms. Overall though, I'd truly and honestly rather see two high quality, groundbreaking lands than three that are all "almost there."
How recent? Marni and Ignohippo said some things after the Disneyland 60 announcement. Steve regularly implies which rumors he has heard or believes. Some other people may have said some stuff, but they are the same people who say WDI is so cheap and is ruining the company, when WDI does not determine their budget and rarely has a say on what IPs are used. So I don't trust that they have good (or any) sources. But yes, there have been a lack of comments recently.
I too hope someone is bright enough to realize that cutting phase 3, or even cutting down on Star Wars land plans, is a bad idea. This isn't just some sort of fanboy wish. It makes financial sense for the company. Was the DCA project successful? Yes. Was WWoHP successful? Oh, of course. Would the same be true for Hollywood Studios, if it is of the same quality? You betcha! The precident is certainly there.
ToTBellHop
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They had budgeted several hundred million for infrastructure as well. If Phase 3 is cut, it is to save the company a quick half billion dollars or so. Because the guests paying $120/day at DHS this summer don't deserve the full project. There are cooler minds in the company, but not the bean counters. We shall see who prevails.
BrianLo
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January would be recent. If someone has heard this year, from an actual source connected enough to the Star Wars project, so that the info isn't just recycled second-hand, I'll certainly believe them.
But, I don't think anyone is talking. I am totally convinced the plan was Indy and the parking lots. I just highly suspect that is no longer the case.
I was under the impression the total for the redo was approved at the board level? Would they cut down the approved ~2.8 billion, just for the sake of cutting? It sounds more like TSL was seriously over-running its allotment of the 2.8 billion and that was the reason for its cuts, not to save on 2.8, but to not exceed it with what they have planned for the money.