Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Surferboy567]

The Comic Book Guy types who are complaining because Disney didn't build them the Star Wars word that they would have liked.
I'd be willing to bet that there is a tremendous age demographic tied in here.
Younger people - like my son's (age 17) who grew up with all of the Star Wars movies, as well as Clone Wars are far more open minded.
Matter of fact, my son Dean (the one who is more - far more - into Star Wars & other films than his brother) would be the first one to tell you that although Vader, Luke and Solo are "the ones" that there is no way that Disney could or should have created a land dedicated to that time frame.

I’m 21...so I guess I fall into that bracket as well. I also agree with your son. Those who go into galaxy’s edge with an open mind with (generally) enjoy it. I consume all Star Wars including clone wars and rebels. I got a huge kick out of seeing Hondo in the (aa) flesh I don’t care he’s a “cartoon character” as many have said. Just seeing him was definitely a highlight. You are definitely right age definitely plays into it.

 

[ColdSarsaparilla]

It was full to capacity most of the day with vacationers bailing left and right over a hurricane. On what moon of what planet is that a failure?

TDO is more interested in December right now.

SW:GE will not fail, but opening day was not the zoo (for any number of legitimate reasons) that the world expected it to be.

They implemented a reservation system. They didn't intend for that to deter guests from coming altogether and I'd guess they didn't expect to have to drop it for WDW.

They implemented a virtual queuing system. I doubt they expected to only use it for a portion of the first day.

They also increased resort room capacity and made infrastructure improvements in anticipation of record-breaking crowds that aren't there.

Of course they're looking towards December. What else can they do? The resort-wide boost they expected from opening the land with 1 ride is not materializing.

Maybe ROTR will change everything. And it might if it's truly a game changer. But I have my doubts at this point.

 

[dreday3]

SW:GE will not fail, but opening day was not the zoo (for any number of legitimate reasons) that the world expected it to be.
They implemented a reservation system. They didn't intend for that to deter guests from coming altogether and I'd guess they didn't expect to have to drop it for WDW.
They implemented a virtual queuing system. I doubt they expected to only use it for a portion of the first day.
They also increased resort room capacity and made infrastructure improvements in anticipation of record-breaking crowds that aren't there.
Of course they're looking towards December. What else can they do? The resort-wide boost they expected from opening the land with 1 ride is not materializing.
Maybe ROTR will change everything. And it might if it's truly a game changer. But I have my doubts at this point.

Regarding the bolded - my thought was that those improvements were done not only for GE, but for the anniversaries coming up, all the new rides - including Tron- Epcot redo and everything else. Unless economy goes south, all those things together will increase crowds and hotel rooms/ infrastructure improvements will have been needed.
We are already planning a 2023 trip to see it all and we haven't even had our 2020 trip yet!

 

[MisterPenguin]

1:35 PM, Aug 30, Thunderstorms

• Temp Closed: TTA / Speed / TT / Swiss / SplashM / SDD / 7DMT / Riverboat / Kali / EE / Dumbo / BTMR /
• MFSR: 120
• FoP / NRJ: 60
• Pan / FEA / DINO: 50
• ToT / TSM / SpaceM / Mickey DHS: 35
• RnRC / Tink / MonsM&G / MickeyDAK / Buzz / MickeyMK / Winnie / HM / Swirling: 30
• M:S / Princesses / Safari (!) / Crush / Chewie / STours / Soarin / Nemo / MincLF / McQueen / Belle: 20
• PotC / MV3D / MickeyEpc / Ariel / Sommerhus / Tea / Fig / Bug / Small / BB8: 10
• Phil / Land / Gran / Olaf: 5

 

[rsm]

Question about the TIE and Kylo show - was the ramp originally designed/intended to raise and lower? When he comes out it seems like there is a sound effect for a lowering ramp but it is already down.

 

[tirian]

So the naysayers calling yesterday a disasterous failure are full of it.

It was full to capacity most of the day with vacationers bailing left and right over a hurricane. On what moon of what planet is that a failure?

TDO is more interested in December right now.

Are people here claiming yesterday was a failure? Considering kids are in school, AP previews lasted a few weeks, and there’s a hurricane that will most likely hit WDW as a strong Cat 1 or a weak Cat 2, what did people expect?

 

[mikejs78]

Are people here claiming yesterday was a failure? Considering kids are in school, AP previews lasted a few weeks, and there’s a hurricane that will most likely hit WDW as a strong Cat 1 or a weak Cat 2, what did people expect?

There are some in the other thread that are claiming just that. Not you.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Are people here claiming yesterday was a failure? Considering kids are in school, AP previews lasted a few weeks, and there’s a hurricane that will most likely hit WDW as a strong Cat 1 or a weak Cat 2, what did people expect?

Yeah, it’s ridiculous. I think it had quite a strong response, honestly.

Also, opening crowds are a drop in the bucket. Let’s see how it’s doing in 6 months. For me, there are some legitimate criticisms of the land and then there’s the manchild nonsense. The legitimate concerns (no droids, need TSR, need more seating) can be easily addressed later. Let’s get the land and MMRR fully-open first. By this time next year, the park will have quite the impressive E-ticket roster.

I had been upset about the lack of the third ride til I visited. Now I’m happy as it would have ruined sight lines as you’d see SDD from the animal you’re riding. Images at DL’s SWGE where you see Big Thunder make me shudder. I saw nothing of the rest of the park from DHS’s land. It felt like I left the park for 5 hours.

 

[tirian]

Yeah, it’s ridiculous. I think it had quite a strong response, honestly.

Also, opening crowds are a drop in the bucket. Let’s see how it’s doing in 6 months. For me, there are some legitimate criticisms of the land and then there’s the manchild nonsense. The legitimate concerns (no droids, need TSR, need more seating) can be easily addressed later. Let’s get the land and MMRR fully-open first. By this time next year, the park will have quite the impressive E-ticket roster.

I had been upset about the lack of the third ride til I visited. Now I’m happy as it would have ruined sight lines as you’d see SDD from the animal you’re riding. Images at DL’s SWGE where you see Big Thunder make me shudder. I saw nothing of the rest of the park from DHS’s land. It felt like I left the park for 5 hours.

That goes back to what I heard back when SWGE was being developed: that Florida’s version would truly feel like a more immersive place than Cali’s, even though the lands themselves would be nearly identical, simply because the sightlines would be better.

Plus, like I said in the DL thread, I think the scale of SWGE works better in DHS than inside an intimate castle park.

 

[The_Jobu]

Just wanted to add that the last dozen or so messages have all been complaining about complainers... without anyone actually saying anything negative about the land.



It's getting a little weird.

 

[doctornick]

The Comic Book Guy types who are complaining because Disney didn't build them the Star Wars word that they would have liked.
I'd be willing to bet that there is a tremendous age demographic tied in here.
Younger people - like my son's (age 17) who grew up with all of the Star Wars movies, as well as Clone Wars are far more open minded.
Matter of fact, my son Dean (the one who is more - far more - into Star Wars & other films than his brother) would be the first one to tell you that although Vader, Luke and Solo are "the ones" that there is no way that Disney could or should have created a land dedicated to that time frame.

Agree with this.

I'd also repeat what I've said before that using the ST timeframe is the right call, at least if they are only doing one land. It is the only timeframe that allows all of the characters and settings to be referenced. I just think they didn't utilize it to its full potential (but they still could, so not all hope is lost)...

* why not have some sort of references/tribute to Han around the MF, maybe in the queue?
* Why not some sort of (Force strong) area where you can meet Force Ghost Luke or Yoda or a dark side cave where you fight Vader or Maul?
* why not use C-3PO and/or R2-D2 to add to the timelessness of the land?
etc.

Also, using the new timeframe makes it easier that if you do want to use Leia or Luke, etc that you film something much more easily in their current appearance than having to do the de-aging stuff that can be hit or miss for some folks. And, yes, obviously Fisher's untimely death makes this point less germane, but when they were designing/building the land it would have been a consideration for her.

I don't agree with the man child contigent who complain just because you're not in the Gold Squadron attacking the Death Star that the land is a failure but there is certainly a way to feature multiple characters to have the widest appeal to all fans.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Just wanted to add that the last dozen or so messages have all been complaining about complainers... without anyone actually saying anything negative about the land.



It's getting a little weird.

I was originally responding to someone claiming only pilots do anything worthwhile. IMHO, that’s a complaint.

 

[The_Jobu]

I was originally responding to someone claiming only pilots do anything worthwhile. IMHO, that’s a complaint.

You do you, I'm not going to start debating debates. Just pointing out how the last couple of pages were going. I think I hit my limit of "manchildren" references.

* why not have some sort of references/tribute to Han around the MF, maybe in the queue?
* Why not some sort of (Force strong) area where you can meet Force Ghost Luke or Yoda or a dark side cave where you fight Vader or Maul?
* why not use C-3PO and/or R2-D2 to add to the timelessness of the land?

I think those would be great additions. They don't take anything away from what's already there, just added bonus to make the land more inclusive.

 

[doctornick]

So, regarding the crowds or the lack thereof or whatever, I've been wanting to discuss something... the extra extra magic hours.

When announced, I was floored as it was a huge amount of extra time to be added to running the parks. I mean, not just the 3 hours to DHS but also extra time to MK and DAK every day? That jut seems so un-modern Disney. And for over 2 months. And honestly, I excited to see it.

And it seems to have worked yesterday - crowds were huge but the land was able to entertain a large number of guests for the day. That's a very guest friendly situation. Despite what looked like some of the biggest crowds DHS has ever seen, you didn't get the crazy problems that stuff like the villains party had gotten in the past. Long operating hours work! (for the reverse, see Hagrids with its shorter operating hours at first coupled with frequent breakdowns making it not able to entertain as many guests which causes the line to be longer)

So, I've got to imagine that Disney folks are wondering if they were too aggressive with the extended hours if the crowds don't come over the next 2 months. 6 AM is pretty darn early to open every day. I'm a little surprised they didn't make it only 2 hours early and/or for a shorter period given that only one ride is open. The longer hours make more sense if there were two attractions to ride.

Was it crowded during the early hours today? If there's no early morning crowds at rope drop regularly, then there will be no impetus for people to wake up at such an early hour and be first in line. What keeps rope drop kinda busy is the idea that being first in line make a huge advantage over being even just a little bit later - but that' a lot different with a 8:00 AM opening versus a 6:00 AM one. 6:30 AM in mid-week October might be the perfect time to have Galaxy's Edge all to yourself.

 

[ToTBellHop]

You do you, I'm not going to start debating debates. Just pointing out how the last couple of pages were going. I think I hit my limit of "manchildren" references.



I think those would be great additions. They don't take anything away from what's already there, just added bonus to make the land more inclusive.

Yes. And I’ve seen enough manchildren complaining about a theme park ride not being exactly like an imaginary space ship that takes imaginary people to imaginary outposts on imaginary moons of imaginary planets occupied by imaginary dictators.

And I’ve seen enough know-it-alls who know-nothing-at-all suggesting that management views the first 39 hours of a new land opening as a major hurricane approaches at the end of the increasingly-quiet summer season and start of the September dead zone is a “failure”.

I grow increasingly wary of people on the internet who *think* something is true and therefore convince themselves that it *is* true. But that’s 2019.

The only conversations regarding the SWGE response in the halls of TDO that I’m aware of is how much APs loved the land. The focus at this moment is limiting damage resort-wide from the hurricane.

 

[The_Jobu]

Yes. And I’ve seen enough manchildren complaining about a theme park ride not being exactly like an imaginary space ship that takes imaginary people to imaginary outposts on imaginary moons of imaginary planets occupied by imaginary dictators.

And I’ve seen enough know-it-alls who know-nothing-at-all suggesting that management views the first 39 hours of a new land opening as a major hurricane approaches at the end of the increasingly-quiet summer season and start of the September dead zone is a “failure”.

I grow increasingly wary of people on the internet who *think* something is true and therefore convince themselves that it *is* true. But that’s 2019.

The only conversations regarding the SWGE response in the halls of TDO that I’m aware of is how much APs loved the land. The focus at this moment is limiting damage resort-wide from the hurricane.

You certainly like that insult, I'll give you that. Maybe be the bigger man and not resort to namecalling? It's not helping your arguments or the path of discourse in this thread. Positivity will always outweigh negativity.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Single riders are far less likely to be Pilots, which is the only position that does anything worthwhile.

I'd argue against this. The Pilot (especially left pilot) is the most desireable position, but I actually enjoyed being the engineer. Gunners and Engineers earn points while the Pilots are largely responsible for losing points.

 

[Mike S]

I'd argue against this. The Pilot (especially left pilot) is the most desireable position, but I actually enjoyed being the engineer. Gunners and Engineers earn points while the Pilots are largely responsible for losing points.

Nah, right pilot.

You get to pull the lever for light speed

 

[ToTBellHop]

You certainly like that insult, I'll give you that. Maybe be the bigger man and not resort to namecalling? It's not helping your arguments or the path of discourse in this thread. Positivity will always outweigh negativity.

Ironically I’m the one complimenting the land.

Being positive does not mean I can’t call out other people’s nonsense. And if “manchild” is a name, my catholic school must have been more vulgar than most. I could think of at least 10 other terms I’d use to describe grown men who complain about 9-year olds crashing the “Millennium Falcon” but I’ll save those for PMs with friends.

And after 18 years here, I neither have to prove anything to anyone nor do I have to take anyone’s (other than The Mom’s) lectures seriously. But thanks for the advice. I think I’ve said enough to steer “the path of discourse” in SWGE threads.

Ever notice that “insiders” around here tend to share and share and eventually get so exhausted by others around here that they leave?

 

[The_Jobu]

Ever notice that “insiders” around here tend to share and share and eventually get so exhausted by others around here that they leave?

Hmmmm... why do you think that is?
*unrelatedly skims over pages of namecalling and complaining for actual discussion*
It is quite the mystery. I guess somethings man's not supposed to know.


Offtopic: Wouldn't it be great if there was an abandoned Jedi temple somewhere in SWL where there was a hologram meet and greet with Luke and Yoda? The actual actors could be off-stage and interact with guests. I think something like that would be easily within Disney's abilities.