News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Disney Irish]

Infrastructure rotting away and no longer being able to support the mountain leading to its removal is completely different than an executive putting Frozen inside of it.

But changing to Frozen or any other attraction changing theme isn't what we are talking about, it was never even part of this conversation. That was a completely different conversation in a different thread nothing to do with this.

 

[TROR]

But changing to Frozen or any other attraction changing theme isn't what we are talking about, it was never even part of this conversation. That was a completely different conversation in a different thread nothing to do with this.

We were discussing removing/replacing classics with more popular concepts, were we not?

 

[BrianLo]

FWIW I've read several reports that have called SDL the best Disneyland. I was pretty meh about the park initially, but after reviewing photos, watching YouTube vids, and reading firsthand experiences it's really grown on me. The weakest area appears to be Tomorrowland, but that isn't much of a surprise I guess. Even so my impression is that its style and polish makes Anaheim's Tomorrowland look old and creaky in comparison. Keep in mind I've never been, so my viewpoint is only what I've read/heard.

Consider Disneyland a work of art. One does not simply repaint the same classic and expect it to have the same results. You can make nods, make homages, but you paint a new work of art.

That's what Shanghai Disneyland did well and Hong Kong Disneyland initially did poorly. Walt's Disneyland works and Shanghai works, simply because they are not beholden to one another. That's not to say both works of art on very polar ends of the castle parks spectrum could not learn a thing or two from one another.

 

[Disney Irish]

We were discussing removing/replacing classics with more popular concepts, were we not?

We were talking about closing older attractions and completely replacing it with something else. That is completely different than changing the current Matterhorn to be Frozen by just changing the theme. Stop conflating topics.

 

[VJ]

If Disneyland is themed to nostalgia, I demand they rebuild DCA 2001 in Disneyland.

Or just turn the heat up in your house, get one of those little battery-operated-spritzy-water-fan-things and play this

 

[180º]

As for me, I’m all for destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with a very similar but modern Matterhorn. I would not be for

• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with nothing
• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with anything else

And in my opinion, adding IP to the old Matterhorn and adding IP to a potentially rebuilt Matterhorn are equally awful.

 

[TROR]

As for me, I’m all for destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with a very similar but modern Matterhorn. I would not be for

• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with nothing
• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with anything else

And in my opinion, adding IP to the old Matterhorn and adding IP to a potentially rebuilt Matterhorn are equally awful.

Yeah I'd actually be really open to the idea of tearing down the Matterhorn just to rebuild it with a better queue, a small Swiss village, and the junior alps that were all once planned for Magic Kingdom. I love the ice caverns and yeti all too much to be ok with them being gone.

 

[Professortango1]

I truly believe that Disneyland will always have the big 3 which IMO are Pirates, Haunted Mansion, and It's a Small World. I think everything else in the park, Jungle Cruise and all the Mountain rides included, could one day go away if there was a strong enough case for it.

I don't even know if they are safe. Pirates uses a lot of AA's, and I sadly see a time when audiences no longer care for AA's. I love them, but many guests prefer screen effects for some reason. I can see Pirates undergoing a massive remodel or retheme in 30-50 years. Small World has already overstayed its welcome, and considering how huge that show building is and how meh the attraction is, I could see that being replaced once the nostalgia bloom is off the rose.

We're approaching an age with Disney where many of the original guests are leaving us. The Disney I know has Splash Mountain and Indy being just as "classic" as Pirates and HM as I was born in the mid 80's. You already see it with certain kids having more of an affinity for DCA than Disneyland. Eventually, the classics will only matter to enthusiasts. I love cinema, but I can recognize that Buster Keaton and Rio Bravo wouldn't hold up with modern audiences as a whole. Eventually, even the best of things fail to resonate with a changing crowd and its time to preserve them as best we can and to make room for something that all can enjoy.

 

[TROR]

I've never once heard someone outside of a Disney forum say they prefer screens to AA. Any time I've discussed the idea everyone mentions how much nicer Disney rides are for having AAs than Universal which has all screens.

 

[Professortango1]

I've never once heard someone outside of a Disney forum say they prefer screens to AA. Any time I've discussed the idea everyone mentions how much nicer Disney rides are for having AAs than Universal which has all screens.

I've heard a lot of folks say they prefer screens because screen attractions often have more movement and thrill associated where AA's can't move quickly plus have a limited range of actions. Hopefully Universal's latest offerings have helped nix that, but I still find people who like Kong at USO. Some even like Fast and the Furious.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I've heard a lot of folks say they prefer screens because screen attractions often have more movement and thrill associated where AA's can't move quickly plus have a limited range of actions. Hopefully Universal's latest offerings have helped nix that, but I still find people who like Kong at USO. Some even like Fast and the Furious.

Then I say the people who prefer screens can go populate Universal and leave Disneyland less crowded! Everyone wins

 

[Curious Constance]

 

[Professortango1]

Then I say the people who prefer screens can go populate Universal and leave Disneyland less crowded! Everyone wins

I think Mission BO's success enticed Disney to the Universal model. They gave us discount Tranformers and people ate it up.

 

[nevol]

Except that eventually they are going to have to replace the entire track and infrastructure. And that requires completely taking apart the mountain. So at that point why not just replace it with an updated attraction.

They've completely retracked space mountain and big thunder in the past decade.5. Neither attraction was torn down. Pirates is not going anywhere. I was born in 1989, not 1965. I was raised on pirates, as my parents were. The "next generation" was too. Nobody is bored by it. If people wanted YouTube video attractions, they'd watch youtube. The company isn't building anything like HM, Pirates, or Small World anymore. The rest of the stuff is frankly getting interchangeable. Roller coaster or dark ride system + random IP that isn't that iconic. Nothing contemporary will last as-is as long as Pirates and HM have. There are 5 IASWs around the globe now, and 5 Pirates. We are at the point now where, if visiting a disney park is a rite of passage, and riding these attractions is a rite of passage, then the billions of people living in the industrialized world who visit Disney parks will experience them and gain nostalgia. Nostalgia has absolutely nothing to do with when somebody was born. This hypothesis about the next generation not caring for pirates or not caring about the twilight zone is completely unfounded because, again, I was born in 89, and when TZTOT opened in the mid nineties, I and their entire 90s kids audience had never seen the show.

 

[nevol]

As for me, I’m all for destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with a very similar but modern Matterhorn. I would not be for

• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with nothing
• Destroying the Matterhorn and replacing it with anything else

And in my opinion, adding IP to the old Matterhorn and adding IP to a potentially rebuilt Matterhorn are equally awful.

I visited disneyland a lot in my early years, then wdw ages 6-10, and then disneyland again. I was shocked when I saw the matterhorn. What is this? It looked awful. I don't have "nostalgia" for it. To me, it has always been obvious that it was bad show. Horrible rocks, which is fine, it was the first one. But they should just resculpt the thing entirely. Throw another mountain on top of it.

 

[nevol]

I don't even know if they are safe. Pirates uses a lot of AA's, and I sadly see a time when audiences no longer care for AA's. I love them, but many guests prefer screen effects for some reason. I can see Pirates undergoing a massive remodel or retheme in 30-50 years. Small World has already overstayed its welcome, and considering how huge that show building is and how meh the attraction is, I could see that being replaced once the nostalgia bloom is off the rose.

We're approaching an age with Disney where many of the original guests are leaving us. The Disney I know has Splash Mountain and Indy being just as "classic" as Pirates and HM as I was born in the mid 80's. You already see it with certain kids having more of an affinity for DCA than Disneyland. Eventually, the classics will only matter to enthusiasts. I love cinema, but I can recognize that Buster Keaton and Rio Bravo wouldn't hold up with modern audiences as a whole. Eventually, even the best of things fail to resonate with a changing crowd and its time to preserve them as best we can and to make room for something that all can enjoy.

Who is this mystery audience who loves screens more than animatronics? So few rides are screen-based. Soarin, star tours. If audiences were unanimously in favor of screens, wouldn't those have the longest lines, and 3d attractions would be the most popular? No 3d theaters are still in operation at Disneyland with their original attractions, while the 3 attractions people are speculating the demise of are the most popular rides in the resort.

Just saw your comment about Fast and Furious. "Some" even like it. Please, go read the comment sections on the new supercharged attraction povs on youtube. "Some" isn't enough for Disney, whose American resorts are visited by 30 and 50 million people a year.

 

[TROR]

I think Mission BO's success enticed Disney to the Universal model. They gave us discount Tranformers and people ate it up.

I honestly refuse to believe that there are more people who prefer screens over AAs than not. That's so ludicrous to me.

They've completely retracked space mountain and big thunder in the past decade.5. Neither attraction was torn down. Pirates is not going anywhere. I was born in 1989, not 1965. I was raised on pirates, as my parents were. The "next generation" was too. Nobody is bored by it. If people wanted YouTube video attractions, they'd watch youtube. The company isn't building anything like HM, Pirates, or Small World anymore. The rest of the stuff is frankly getting interchangeable. Roller coaster or dark ride system + random IP that isn't that iconic. Nothing contemporary will last as-is as long as Pirates and HM have. There are 5 IASWs around the globe now, and 5 Pirates. We are at the point now where, if visiting a disney park is a rite of passage, and riding these attractions is a rite of passage, then the billions of people living in the industrial world who visit Disney parks will experience them and gain nostalgia. Nostalgia has absolutely nothing to do with when somebody was born. This hypothesis about the next generation not caring for pirates or not caring about the twilight zone is completely unfounded because, again, I was born in 89, and when TZTOT opened in the mid nineties, I and their entire 90s kids audience had never seen the show.

Four Pirates of the Caribbeans. That one in Shanghai doesn't, doesn't count.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I think Mission BO's success enticed Disney to the Universal model. They gave us discount Tranformers and people ate it up.

Call me crazy, but I believe MB's "success" is due in large part to the fact that people loved TOT before it, not because of its screen component.

 

[britain]

I honestly refuse to believe that there are more people who prefer screens over AAs than not. That's so ludicrous to me.


Four Pirates of the Caribbeans. That one in Shanghai doesn't, doesn't count.

I caught that.

 

[TROR]

Glad to see George Lucas enjoying himself at the Solo premiere tonight