News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Disney Irish]

"Marvel has been popular for over 80 years! Star Wars has been popular for over 40 years! They'll be loved for decades to come! Btw Pirates of the Caribbean needs to be destroyed despite being popular for 50 years."

You're right, its not like they only made one single Marvel comic and never created and told new stories. Or there was only a single Star Wars movie. Its not like they didn't kill off characters in both of those and created new ones.

 

[TROR]

You're right, its not like they only made one single Marvel comic and never created and told new stories. Or there was only a single Star Wars movie. Its not like they didn't kill off characters in both of those and created new ones.

If they never made any movies outside of the Original Trilogy it would still be a beloved franchise. Not as large of a scale, but still beloved.

 

[Disney Irish]

If they never made any movies outside of the Original Trilogy it would still be a beloved franchise. Not as large of a scale, but still beloved.

But they did make more than just the Originals. And Lucas even went back and updated the Originals, some say destroying it. However it was his creation to update, change, or even "destroy" as he saw fit. Much like PotC and the rest of Disneyland is Disney's to update, change, or even "destroy" as they see fit, no matter how the fans think about it.

 

[TROR]

But they did make more than just the Originals. And Lucas even went back and updated the Originals, some say destroying it. However it was his creation to update, change, or even "destroy" as he saw fit. Much like PotC and the rest of Disneyland is Disney's to update, change, or even "destroy" as they see fit, no matter how the fans think about it.

At least with Star Wars I'll always have my VHS copies.

 

[Disney Irish]

At least with Star Wars I'll always have my VHS copies.

And now with Youtube, you'll have videos of any attraction they change or "destroy".

 

[Stevek]

It was "fun" but my local mini amusement park had go-karts that were far and away better quality. So I quickly tired of it.

Yeah, there are better and faster go carts in your local mini golf course...I used to love Lil Indy in Norwalk, but there is something special about the experience in a Disney park. At some point, many of us "age out" and don't enjoy certain experiences like we used to. That being said, I still do enjoy the occasional ride on Autopia.

 

[Phroobar]

But you still believe, according to your business sense, that classic attractions will one day be razed to keep Disneyland afloat?

Pirates and others will stay around as along as it is cost effective to keep them operational. Once interest disappears they will too.

Bit of trivia: the oldest roller coaster in the country is Leap the Dips (1902) at Lakemont Park, PA.

 

[DanielBB8]

You still have your VHS player? It’s better to make digital copy before it further deteriorates.

 

[Stevek]

At least with Star Wars I'll always have my VHS copies.

I'm happy I picked up laserdisc transfers of the originals on DVD. I actually still have the LDs and a LD player.

 

[Phroobar]

You still have your VHS player? It’s better to make digital copy before it further deteriorates.

I still have my VHS copy of Star Wars. It's interesting to see the completely different shot of Han shooting Greedo from what we see today. It's a completely different angle and everything.

 

[Stevek]

Next summer HM will celebrate its 50th anniversary. Likewise, last summer was Pirates 50th. I think history is on the side of preservation.

That was kinda the point I was going for...there are certain rides that stand the test of time and aren't going anywhere as they will always be popular. If the popularity hasn't waned in 50 years, hard to believe that will change in the next 20, 30, 50...

 

[Disney Irish]

Pirates and others will stay around as along as it is cost effective to keep them operational. Once interest disappears they will too.

Agreed. I'd even be ok if they rebuilt them, if they are that much of a classic and still popular at the time.

Bit of trivia: the oldest roller coaster in the country is Leap the Dips (1902) at Lakemont Park, PA.

One thing I didn't get to do the couple times I was out in PA. Maybe one I'll get back....

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I'm not going to go back into this again.

I've given my thoughts, its different than yours and that is fine.

Clearly we're approaching the parks from different aspects. I'm coming from a purely creative side and you're coming from a business side. Naturally, we'll clash a bit. That's OK.

I guess what it really all boils down to for me is that I don't want a park dominated by attractions with an assumed shelf life like Mission Breakout so corporate can just swap in and out whatever the hot IP of the month is in an attempt to remain "fresh".

 

[Disney Irish]

Clearly we're approaching the parks from different aspects. I'm coming from a purely creative side and you're coming from a business side. Naturally, we'll clash a bit. That's OK.

I'm looking at it from all aspects, but yes the business side is what dominates my thoughts on this.

I guess what it really all boils down to for me is that I don't want a park dominated by attractions with an assumed shelf life like Mission Breakout so corporate can just swap in and out whatever the hot IP of the month is in an attempt to remain "fresh".

There is different ways to look at attractions and the park history. For example if we look at just history, Walt completely ripped out an entire land and overhauled it with TL 67. That means there is history in having short lived attractions that have a shelf life.

However I get your point, and understand where you are coming from. What I personally don't want it stagnation. I don't want a park full of old attractions just because of nostalgia. And that is what DL was for so long.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I'm looking at it from all aspects, but yes the business side is what dominates my thoughts on this.



There is different ways to look at attractions and the park history. For example if we look at just history, Walt completely ripped out an entire land and overhauled it with TL 67. That means there is history in having short lived attractions that have a shelf life.

However I get your point, and understand where you are coming from. What I personally don't want it stagnation. I don't want a park full of old attractions just because of nostalgia. And that is what DL was for so long.

I don't want stagnation either. And I'll just say that I disagree with keeping things for strictly nostalgic purposes too.

But thankfully everything old that is still around is there because it is still a quality experience. If Pirates or Haunted Mansion weren't good attractions in their own regard, I'd probably be arguing for their removals.

 

[dweezil78]

Pirates and others will stay around as along as it is cost effective to keep them operational. Once interest disappears they will too.

I truly believe that Disneyland will always have the big 3 which IMO are Pirates, Haunted Mansion, and It's a Small World. I think everything else in the park, Jungle Cruise and all the Mountain rides included, could one day go away if there was a strong enough case for it.

 

[TROR]

I truly believe that Disneyland will always have the big 3 which IMO are Pirates, Haunted Mansion, and It's a Small World. I think everything else in the park, Jungle Cruise and all the Mountain rides included, could one day go away if there was a strong enough case for it.

I think the mountains are more likely to just get updates over time just as they always have but never removed. The Matterhorn, for example, never would work today if it was never updated from 1959. I honestly think the Jungle Cruise is a desperate need for a remodel but I'm terrified of what current WDI would do to it, especially with a new movie coming out. I can just see it now with half the trees torn down, all the humor stripped and replaced with large object gags, and the Rock appearing.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think the mountains are more likely to just get updates over time just as they always have but never removed. The Matterhorn, for example, never would work today if it was never updated from 1959. I honestly think the Jungle Cruise is a desperate need for a remodel but I'm terrified of what current WDI would do to it, especially with a new movie coming out.

Except that eventually they are going to have to replace the entire track and infrastructure. And that requires completely taking apart the mountain. So at that point why not just replace it with an updated attraction.

 

[TROR]

Except that eventually they are going to have to replace the entire track and infrastructure. And that requires completely taking apart the mountain. So at that point why not just replace it with an updated attraction.

Infrastructure rotting away and no longer being able to support the mountain leading to its removal is completely different than an executive putting Frozen inside of it.

 

[Phroobar]

I think the mountains are more likely to just get updates over time just as they always have but never removed. The Matterhorn, for example, never would work today if it was never updated from 1959. I honestly think the Jungle Cruise is a desperate need for a remodel but I'm terrified of what current WDI would do to it, especially with a new movie coming out. I can just see it now with half the trees torn down, all the humor stripped and replaced with large object gags, and the Rock appearing.

Disney licensing the latest Jumanji movie.

Or better yet, the Jungle Cruise means Rampage!