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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions
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Disney Irish
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That is where we differ.
I look at this from all sides not just nostalgic rose colored glasses. I have my favorites, Pirates and HM, and to me I don't mind the minor changes being made. Would I be heartbroken if they removed them, yes. But I understand if they had to. And it wouldn't prevent me from going to the parks.
Some things I think about, in 30 years what is that generation going to think about a 80-90 year old attraction compared to other newer offerings? Are they going to think its boring and not worth it? Are they going to ignore the old and only go on the new? Are they going to have the same feelings about it that generations do today? I'm going to be in my 70s, am I going to feel the same way about them that I do today?
This is what I think about. And I'm sure Disney is too.
TROR
Well-Known Member
I see very little value in the parks outside of the classics. They're what keep Disneyland different from Universal.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And that maybe the opinion of some or even most of the fandom. However Disneyland is not just for the fandom, its for everyone, despite what the fandom thinks. This is why Disney doesn't care what the fandom thinks. They are going to do what is in the best interest of their business to bring in as broad an audience as they can.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Disney doesn't care about bringing in a "broad audience". They care about clicks on the turnstile, period. If they really wanted new blood in the parks they'd cancel the AP program. But they won't, because its money in their pockets.
TROR
Well-Known Member
Will being unique and special not bring in more guests than being generic and uninspired?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
They do care about it. And I think you know this. If you don't think they do then you don't understand business and why decisions are made.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
Well-Known Member
You're so set on this "30 years from now" idea as something Disney is "always thinking about"...
So I ask you, do you suppose in the 1980's people were looking at Pirates and HM thinking, "do you think people will even want to ride this in 30 years? We'll be in the 2000's by then".
This is where the nostalgic bubble around Disneyland works so well. It's not meant to be a reflection of what's going on in present culture. It's meant to take you out of your present reality and transport you to another place.
What does it say on the plaque as you walk in? "Here you leave today and enter the world of yesterday, tomorrow, and fantasy."
Disney Irish
Premium Member
What is unique and special to you isn't what is unique and special to another. This is why you have to understand the metrics of business modeling, something Disney if very good at.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
Well-Known Member
Why should it make a difference who is paying Disney $5? At the end of the day, they're making the $5. Whether its some AP'er who has gone for years or the new shcmo visiting for the first time?
Yes, obviously Disney would want as many people experiencing the parks as possible, but at the end of the day money is money is money.
TROR
Well-Known Member
Unique is not a subjective word.
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Seriously, I'm curious about it, sure, but it's not *my* Disneyland.Pooh's Hunny Pots instead of Teacups? No thank you. Tron's coming to Florida. We've got Soarin'. I'm "meh" on rapids rides. Tim Burton Alice maze...barf.
And Pirates... It looks spectacular, and I'd love to try it, but it's not Pirates of the Caribbean at all to me. It's a dark fantasy adventure full of monsters and the undead, but Jack Sparrow's the only "living" human pirate in the entire attraction. It's its own thing.
I'm more interested in seeing how the technology at Shanghai is used in Star Wars and future DLR attractions.
Their version of Peter Pan rocks, though.
FWIW I've read several reports that have called SDL the best Disneyland. I was pretty meh about the park initially, but after reviewing photos, watching YouTube vids, and reading firsthand experiences it's really grown on me. The weakest area appears to be Tomorrowland, but that isn't much of a surprise I guess. Even so my impression is that its style and polish makes Anaheim's Tomorrowland look old and creaky in comparison. Keep in mind I've never been, so my viewpoint is only what I've read/heard.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
30 years is just some arbitrary number I threw out there because its far enough into the future.
Nostalgia only works for so long before it becomes just old and outdated. As new generations come on, what they are nostalgic for is different than the generation that came before. So just because you may be nostalgic for something doesn't mean your kids will be, or their kids will be.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Because Disney wants both the $5 from the AP and the $5 from the new shcmo visiting for the first time.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
It is because what is a unique for you may not be unique for me, in fact it might be common place for me.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
Well-Known Member
I think you're using "nostalgia" too narrowly.
I'm saying that people get nostalgic FOR Disneyland. As a whole. They went as kids and now want to take their kids to show them what shaped their childhoods. Not specifics things like pirates or haunted houses.
TROR
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Did the urls end with '.go'?
Definitely the best Disneyland, as far as art is concerned, is Paris. Tokyo Disneyland and Disneyland USA are tied. Followed then by Magic Kingdom, Hong Kong, and Shanghai. Really can't stand the Chinese pandering aspects of Shanghai Disneyland. You cannot have an American staple like Disney without America in it. Disneyland Paris panders to the French but still holds onto its roots. Shanghai Disneyland is distinctly Chinese for sure, but not authentically Disney.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
Well-Known Member
And they're getting it! Have the crowd levels not communicated that?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
My point still stands, just because YOU may be nostalgic for DL of your childhood doesn't mean the next generations will have that same nostalgic feeling. Its the experience of the individual person that makes them nostalgic, not what someone else experienced.
TROR
Well-Known Member
While we're on the topic of replacing classics to update them with forgettable modern franchises... I mean, it's probably going to be the same ride overall but with screens of Chris Pratt in the show building. Funny, now both Unviersal and Disneyland will have movie screens with Chris Pratt on them. Remember what I said about uniqueness just a few minutes ago?