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[ImperfectPixie]

This is an inaccurate description. Producers are definitely involved in the creative aspect of film making. An essential cog actually.

What...approving locations? Hiring writers? Approving budgets?

They oversee and coordinate the creation process. There's a huge difference between that and actually creating. You don't need to be a "creator" to be a producer.

 

[jinx8402]

That’s an executive producer…

but some bigger producers are more hands on/dabble on the creative side. Usually the ex director/actor types

I think there is some confusion on Executive Producer vs Producer. In film, the producer is most definitely more hands on with the day to day of film making including making creative decisions.

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-an-executive-producer-whats-the-difference-between-an-executive-producer-and-producer#what-is-an-executive-producer

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think there is some confusion on Executive Producer vs Producer. In film, the producer is most definitely more hands on with the day to day of film making including making creative decisions.

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/what-is-an-executive-producer-whats-the-difference-between-an-executive-producer-and-producer#what-is-an-executive-producer

That’s good…

i guess I’m thinking like old school tv…where executive producer was the show runner

it does make sense…as someone like a George Clooney is typically a “producer”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Does the story group actually work on the movies that much? I thought they were mainly there to expand on the old stuff, like making sure that Chewbacca had the same number of kids in the comics as in the books or whatever. I didn't think they actually did script development.

Well we don’t know for sure…

but they made a BIG deal about “changing the old norms” and the story group was supposed to be a big piece.

also…guess where two hacks i’m referring to work now? It will shock you.

and they let directors write chapter movies independently (after a remake)…which was then and still now is the DUMBEST idea in Hollywood history.

the mistakes are starting to be as hard to count as raindrops

 

[GimpYancIent]

Besides ET, she has been a producer on movies like The Color Purple, Jurassic Park, Hook, The Money Pit, Twister, The Sixth Sense, Bridges of Madison County, Arachnophobia, the Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Lincoln....and a ton more. Been an executive producer on a bunch of others, including big hits....

You may not like what she has done with Star Wars, but to label her as just someone's secretary is really harsh...and ignores the totality of her career.

She was not the creative talent. Producer / Manager / Executive etc, so her name is prominently on the by line, but not the creative talent, not visionary nor enlightened. Chief of staff would be a good descriptor.

 

[MisterPenguin]

At the time of the buyout, Lucas couldn't think of anyone to put in charge...and picked her at the last minute. If she was some fantastic producer, I think it very likely that she would have been more towards the front of his mind, rather than a last second pick because there was no one else.

Unless you have a credible source for that, then that is just crazy conspiracy time.

 

[Andrew C]

She was not the creative talent. Producer / Manager / Executive etc, so her name is prominently on the by line, but not the creative talent, not visionary nor enlightened. Chief of staff would be a good descriptor.

I ma not saying she has been the creative lead throughout her entire career or some phenomenal visionary. I am just saying she has a very successful one as a producer (on of the top in Hollywood acrtually) that includes being involved in making creative decisions. Not just a secretary or administrator has some like to portray her. She deserves credit for what she has accomplished.

 

[mysto]

A producer is a project manager who does whatever it takes to get it done. Sometimes that means getting coffee, sometimes that means writing the script. The level of creative input can vary wildly.

Also "executive" can vary, frequently it means financial backer or rights owner, but can also go anywhere depending on the individual's style.

Just my view on those roles.

 

[MisterPenguin]

people tend to forget how she got that job…she was in the middle of a cat and mouse game
Between Lucas and Iger.

it’s in iger’s book and said in interviews by the Disney attorney. The one useful thing in that book.

The same Iger who renewed her contract and publicly took the blame for the failure of Solo and for locking GE into the sequel timeline when KK was getting heat for that?

The KK-haters love to spin yarns about how "Disney hates her" and "Disney has isolated her." The problem with those conspiracy theories is:

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1. "Disney" is KK's bosses: the president of film, and his boss, Iger/Chapek. If "Disney" hated her, then either Bob could have chosen not to renew her contract, and yet, both Bobs did just that.​

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2. If "Disney" has isolated KK and taken all power from her, then you can't blame her for anything LucasFilm has done that you don't like. Don't like the firing of a certain problematic actress? Can't be KK's fault. She's been isolated. Do you think that it's bad that certain potential film directors left their projects? Can't blame KK... she's isolated!!​

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3. If KK isn't isolated, then one would have to give her credit for all the good things being done that one likes.​

All these anti-KK theories are the production of crazed conspiracy theorists who don't like any Star Wars decision that doesn't comport with what they think should have happened.

Any thing that might redound to KK in a positive way is conveniently dismissed. And any unsourced whisper against her is taken as Gospel fact.

They are on the same solid foundation that "KK is about to be fired!!" That same "insider information" that has being continuously wrong for the past five years.

KK hasn't been fired. Her contract has been renewed twice in that time frame. It's time for the haters to re-evaluate all their sources of information. You were led down the rabbit holes of nerd rage and click bait.

 

[danlb_2000]

I just can't get over people thinking she's some creative force to be reckoned with. A producer's job is much more administrative, oversight, and finance than creative.

I've also seen far too many hacks be given credit for work they had zero hand in just because they were close to the people in charge of a creative business to think that it doesn't happen in Hollywood.

Unfortunately these days finance is inexorably tied to creativity. You think characters like BB-8, D-0 and Grogu are pure creative decision as opposed to decisions designed to sell merchandise?

 

[dmw]

How many days until the first cruise and real feedback?
getting tired of scrolling through debates on best director award...

 

[flynnibus]

As a producer, Kennedy has an amazing record--if you grew up during the 80s, she was behind a lot of the films you loved. She also has been behind a lot of Spielberg's Oscar winners. The reason we know about her as the lady who ruined Star Wars is because YouTube video essays became a thing right around when the sequels came out. Otherwise, nobody would know who she is.

Non-sense. She came into the spotlight when Lucas himself tapped her to lead the ship. Before DIsney... before people who think YT steers the world were talking about it.

The challenge with Kennedy is she did keep such amazing company... being with Speilberg from the start means yes, her resume is like top 5 ever.. but from the outside, we don't really have a lot of understanding of how much is her, vs the company she kept. The new Lucasfilm is different in that she was now on the pedestal, and so much of the stuff people had issue with with the direction they were promoting... came from causes Kennedy herself was promoting and championed... COMBINED with the admission they intentionally left behind what Lucas had prepared. That is what drew the criticism to KK directly - not people parrotting YT commentators.

I'll be contrarian and say that her legacy--in terms of people watching her films--will probably last longer than Feige's. That and Disney's insistence on putting out films so quickly after buying the IP is as much to blame as Kennedy for the er, uneven, record of the Disney-era movies.

Take away her amblin years and re-evaluate your projection. Nothing is going to change that Stephen, not Kathy, is going to get credit for that era. So while it's great CV material, the stuff that has her name at the top of the list is what's going to be associated with her in the long run.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The same Iger who renewed her contract and publicly took the blame for the failure of Solo and for locking GE into the sequel timeline when KK was getting heat for that?

The KK-haters love to spin yarns about how "Disney hates her" and "Disney has isolated her." The problem with those conspiracy theories is:

​

1. "Disney" is KK's bosses: the president of film, and his boss, Iger/Chapek. If "Disney" hated her, then either Bob could have chosen not to renew her contract, and yet, both Bobs did just that.​

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2. If "Disney" has isolated KK and taken all power from her, then you can't blame her for anything LucasFilm has done that you don't like. Don't like the firing of a certain problematic actress? Can't be KK's fault. She's been isolated. Do you think that it's bad that certain potential film directors left their projects? Can't blame KK... she's isolated!!​

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3. If KK isn't isolated, then one would have to give her credit for all the good things being done that one likes.​

All these anti-KK theories are the production of crazed conspiracy theorists who don't like any Star Wars decision that doesn't comport with what they think should have happened.

Any thing that might redound to KK in a positive way is conveniently dismissed. And any unsourced whisper against her is taken as Gospel fact.

They are on the same solid foundation that "KK is about to be fired!!" That same "insider information" that has being continuously wrong for the past five years.

KK hasn't been fired. Her contract has been renewed twice in that time frame. It's time for the haters to re-evaluate all their sources of information. You were led down the rabbit holes of nerd rage and click bait.

Go ahead and go off script to vent, dude…cause you quoted something that was said by Iger and Alan braverman…but blamed the hostage on this one. I wasn’t taking a dig on kennedy…quite the opposite. Read the context…put down the 2017 box office chart

at the end of the day…the record from 2013-present is what being judged. And that’s not a conspiracy no matter what 3 or 4 of her closest relatives on this board say…

no need for cancel some of the “progress” we’ve made and go back to that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How many days until the first cruise and real feedback?
getting tired of scrolling through debates on best director award...

about 3 weeks…if anyone doesn’t cancel

 

[flynnibus]

At the time of the buyout, Lucas couldn't think of anyone to put in charge...and picked her at the last minute.

She was offered the job before he had the DIsney deal done. June of 2012. Supposedly Lucas and Iger had been talking since early 2011. Doesn't sound last minute to me.

 

[MisterPenguin]

How many days until the first cruise and real feedback?
getting tired of scrolling through debates on best director award...

Two weeks from this coming Tuesday.

 

[LSLS]

This isn't difficult. Kennedy has done great work as a producer, and done a bad job as the leader/visionary of final trilogy. Both can be true. If you think she did nothing on her previous films, you are kidding yourself. If you think she has done great work leading this franchise, you too are kidding yourself. My personal thought is that she may have taken on too much of a creative/visionary roll with Star Wars (hence the disjointed trilogy). I think the shows can go better because they are a bit more stand alone (and maybe she did step back from creative on that front as well, but who knows).

Basically, we know she has an incredible resume as a producer (particularly in the 90s). I think we know she was very involved in the story for the ST (based on the reports and firings). We know the ST did not do nearly as well as it should have (not saying it didn't make money, just that it left some on the table), and we know we aren't hearing nearly as much about her involvement in the shows like we did with the movies.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Go ahead and go off script to vent, dude…cause you quoted something that was said by Iger and Alan braverman…but blamed the hostage on this one. I wasn’t taking a dig on kennedy…quite the opposite. Read the context…put down the 2017 box office chart

at the end of the day…the record from 2013-present is what being judged. And that’s not a conspiracy no matter what 3 or 4 of her closets relatives on this board say…

no need for cancel some of the “progress” we’ve made and go back to that.

I'm sorry, I thought your comment about being caught between a cat and mouse game was you indicating that she got the job through hijinks and not competency.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The same Iger who renewed her contract and publicly took the blame for the failure of Solo and for locking GE into the sequel timeline when KK was getting heat for that?

The KK-haters love to spin yarns about how "Disney hates her" and "Disney has isolated her." The problem with those conspiracy theories is:

​

1. "Disney" is KK's bosses: the president of film, and his boss, Iger/Chapek. If "Disney" hated her, then either Bob could have chosen not to renew her contract, and yet, both Bobs did just that.​

​

2. If "Disney" has isolated KK and taken all power from her, then you can't blame her for anything LucasFilm has done that you don't like. Don't like the firing of a certain problematic actress? Can't be KK's fault. She's been isolated. Do you think that it's bad that certain potential film directors left their projects? Can't blame KK... she's isolated!!​

​

3. If KK isn't isolated, then one would have to give her credit for all the good things being done that one likes.​

All these anti-KK theories are the production of crazed conspiracy theorists who don't like any Star Wars decision that doesn't comport with what they think should have happened.

Any thing that might redound to KK in a positive way is conveniently dismissed. And any unsourced whisper against her is taken as Gospel fact.

They are on the same solid foundation that "KK is about to be fired!!" That same "insider information" that has being continuously wrong for the past five years.

KK hasn't been fired. Her contract has been renewed twice in that time frame. It's time for the haters to re-evaluate all their sources of information. You were led down the rabbit holes of nerd rage and click bait.

You mean the same Iger that likes to refer to himself as a "creative" and who thinks park-goers love the decisions he's made in the parks?

For the record, I don't frequent any other forums, and I prefer to get my information from reliable sources.

I don't "hate" KK...but her track record does not bear out any creative genius on her part. She has producer/executive producer credit in a number of films, some of which were high-profile. She has exactly 1 acting credit. She has zero writing credits. She has zero art/design credits. She also has zero editing or directing credits. To me that says that her roles as producer and executive producer have been non-creative.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of the Star Wars material she's been involved with didn't do what it was supposed to and in fact turned many life-long Star Wars fans away from the franchise (I know several personally). Aside from handing The Mandalorian to Filoni and Favreau, she has largely mismanaged the franchise as studio head. I can't ever remember any film series having as many issues with revolving directors and writers - even on individual films in series - what caused all that nonsense?

 

[Magenta Panther]

I must say that it surprises me how slow Disney has been to recognise and capitalise on a perennial monster hit like Moana and how it will almost completely ignore huge hits like Zootopia, yet everywhere you look they're trying to make The Muppets work.

I am also a fan and honestly happy they're being kept alive, but it is very out of character for modern Disney. It's not like Eisner is still around trying to prove buying them was a good move or they're strapped for contemporary hits, so I'm not sure quite why they have such huge support within the company.

The Muppets were has-beens before Disney bought them. No use blaming Disney for it. The puppets put out a film called Muppets In Space (or From Space, whatever) that was a huge box-office flop. And of course there have been many flops since. I suspect that there are those in the company for whom nostalgia is a mental illness, and that's why they keep pushing the puppets on an increasingly disinterested public. Dumb move. That will just result in more flops. Disney ought to try to sell the socks to someone else, if they can find such a sucker. I doubt it.

I too am mystified by the company's indifference towards Zootopia. An excellent film, a financially successful film, starring Disney's recently-neglected mainstay, talking animals, and yet Disney seems unimpressed with it. Judy Hopps is one of the best female characters Disney has created in a long time. She and Nick are a fun couple. Nuts to the frog and pig. The fox and rabbit are much more appealing. I was hoping for a theatrical sequel to the film, but that's not happening. Incidentally: when the trailer for a new film called Bad Guys came out (featuring some of the most unappealing-looking animals ever), some twits on Twitter were saying that Bad Guys is automatically better than Zootopia because Zootopia was about...ugh...cops!!! No kidding. What a world we live in right now.