News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I though the Disney+ Haunted Mansion was also very well done

I loved it…but who watched it/paid for a subscription for it?

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

I loved it…but who watched it/paid for a subscription for it?

I know of at least 3 families who made decision to subscribe if not just because of muppets haunted mansion it was the reason for the timing of the purchase. Are muppets ever going to be a big driver of attendance/subscribers, probably not on their own. But it’s a great owned IP with cross generational appeal (particularly in the late 30s-early50’s range). You get good nostalgic appeal.

 

[pdude81]

I know of at least 3 families who made decision to subscribe if not just because of muppets haunted mansion it was the reason for the timing of the purchase. Are muppets ever going to be a big driver of attendance/subscribers, probably not on their own. But it’s a great owned IP with cross generational appeal (particularly in the late 30s-early50’s range). You get good nostalgic appeal.

I've been enjoying some of the original Muppet Show episodes also that were before my time. Not something that I would subscribe for, but part of the depth of content that keeps me around.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know of at least 3 families who made decision to subscribe if not just because of muppets haunted mansion it was the reason for the timing of the purchase. Are muppets ever going to be a big driver of attendance/subscribers, probably not on their own. But it’s a great owned IP with cross generational appeal (particularly in the late 30s-early50’s range). You get good nostalgic appeal.

I've been enjoying some of the original Muppet Show episodes also that were before my time. Not something that I would subscribe for, but part of the depth of content that keeps me around.

Well if you know 3…there’s at least 7/8 total!

 

[Magenta Panther]

I agree…but Disney’s weird obsession with trying to force the muppets on people still baffles me.

I like the muppets…but it’s like the one thing that Disney still tries to force on people with little financial advantage to it.

There is no financial advantage. Never was. Eisner bought a pig in a poke. Ha ha. Get it?

 

[Magenta Panther]

Something like this would be good too.
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So what ARE those long green things hanging off her head? Ears? Tentacles? Worse? Yuck.

 

[Magenta Panther]

And that tells you something, huh?

couldn’t lose muppetvision…or Star tours…there’s only “so many billions to go around” at WDI…

but you also can’t lose launchbay…or keep it/open it…

“all roads lead back to Rome’s financial district” (next to the wet market and the circus Maximus)

That puppet theater is where the Guardians ride should have gone, if it had to go anywhere. Better there than in EPCOT, by far.

 

[TikibirdLand]

Something like this would be good too.
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That's a little too.... Borat... for me. No thanks!

 

[GimpYancIent]

So what ARE those long green things hanging off her head? Ears? Tentacles? Worse? Yuck.

Just staying within the theming set by "Disney Co." for the Star Cruiser experience. Remember the costume options available at the Halcyon's ship store for guests to purchase, if they wanted to costume up but did not bring one? Definitely Twi' Lek centric.

 

[TikibirdLand]

It also seldom moves the needle anywhere else. The antique puppets were kicked out of Disneyland, and nobody shed a tear. I think "Disney" keeps pushing them just because it owns them, and it needs filler. But few people care anymore, and fewer buy any merch connected to that dead franchise. What's worse is that wrong-headed purchase started the off-brand buying spree that Iger continued and is polluting the parks with. Because synergy! Ick.

I thought the Jason Segal reboot was great; it's in regular rotation at the Tiki house. But, I do agree, left to their own devices, Disney doesn't understand the franchise; It's not "antique", it's just rudderless. Just like Marvel has Kevin Feige and SW has Jon Favreau (well, the good stuff), The Muppets need a passionate driver. Jason Segal and Amy Adams proved it.

 

[kingdead]

I thought the Jason Segal reboot was great; it's in regular rotation at the Tiki house. But, I do agree, left to their own devices, Disney doesn't understand the franchise; It's not "antique", it's just rudderless. Just like Marvel has Kevin Feige and SW has Jon Favreau (well, the good stuff), The Muppets need a passionate driver. Jason Segal and Amy Adams proved it.

Both George Lucas and Jim Henson were great innovators and storytellers for the young and young at heart (well, Henson was consistently a great storyteller; Lucas for the first three Star Wars films). You can't just replicate those men and their teams by buying the names.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Both George Lucas and Jim Henson were great innovators and storytellers for the young and young at heart (well, Henson was consistently a great storyteller; Lucas for the first three Star Wars films). You can't just replicate those men and their teams by buying the names.

And this is the audacity of modern Disney. Old Disney recognized that they weren't the only company capable of great storytelling and film-making. Modern Disney buys up IPs and allows non-creatives to have too much input on the direction to take those IPs...thereby not just reducing competition (which is a good thing in creative industries), but also fudging up it's own output in the process.

The exceptions being Feige and Favreau, of course.

 

[kingdead]

And this is the audacity of modern Disney. Old Disney recognized that they weren't the only company capable of great storytelling and film-making. Modern Disney buys up IPs and allows non-creatives to have too much input on the direction to take those IPs...thereby not just reducing competition (which is a good thing in creative industries), but also fudging up it's own output in the process.

The exceptions being Feige and Favreau, of course.

Feige has done very well, but imo he isn't on the level of someone like Henson or Lucas--he's a great manager but he didn't come up with those characters. (Also the death of Chadwick Boseman is going to have a bigger effect on Marvel than the death of Carrie Fisher did on Star Wars.)

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Feige has done very well, but imo he isn't on the level of someone like Henson or Lucas--he's a great manager but he didn't come up with those characters. (Also the death of Chadwick Boseman is going to have a bigger effect on Marvel than the death of Carrie Fisher did on Star Wars.)

No, Feige didn't come up with the characters, but he's clearly got good vision for where to bring things. The same can't be said for Kennedy and the majority of the choices she and others have made for Star Wars in film or in the parks. Filoni and Favreau seem to be the only ones who understand the IP and fanbase.

 

[FettFan]

God, why did I feel so "DIRTY" watching that.. yesh.....

The 1970s were a different, much more innocent time to be alive.

 

[Cesar R M]

That's a little too.... Borat... for me. No thanks!

Not feeling titillated enough? XD

 

[Casper Gutman]

Feige has done very well, but imo he isn't on the level of someone like Henson or Lucas--he's a great manager but he didn't come up with those characters. (Also the death of Chadwick Boseman is going to have a bigger effect on Marvel than the death of Carrie Fisher did on Star Wars.)

Feige is one of the five greatest producers in Hollywood history. In many ways - and particularly for an IP in Marvels position - that’s more valuable then a genius pure creative.

And you guys all realize Filoni and Favreau work under Kennedy, right? It’s hysterical how she disappears as soon as a piece of Star Wars content fans like is discussed.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Yeah…but it never moves the needle in parks…this is like a weird Groundhog Day thing with management. Very “ancillary” to have space devoted to in parks

I must say that it surprises me how slow Disney has been to recognise and capitalise on a perennial monster hit like Moana and how it will almost completely ignore huge hits like Zootopia, yet everywhere you look they're trying to make The Muppets work.

I am also a fan and honestly happy they're being kept alive, but it is very out of character for modern Disney. It's not like Eisner is still around trying to prove buying them was a good move or they're strapped for contemporary hits, so I'm not sure quite why they have such huge support within the company.

 

[TikibirdLand]

Feige is one of the five greatest producers in Hollywood history. In many ways - and particularly for an IP in Marvels position - that’s more valuable then a genius pure creative.

And you guys all realize Filoni and Favreau work under Kennedy, right? It’s hysterical how she disappears as soon as a piece of Star Wars content fans like is discussed.

I'm happy that, of late, Kennedy has taken a low profile and has the courage -- yes, courage -- to allow Favreau and Filoni the creative freedom to create good work in SW. And, I'm glad it's on D+ rather than the big screen where budgets are more tightly followed. Seems the problems follow the money.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Feige is one of the five greatest producers in Hollywood history. In many ways - and particularly for an IP in Marvels position - that’s more valuable then a genius pure creative.

And you guys all realize Filoni and Favreau work under Kennedy, right? It’s hysterical how she disappears as soon as a piece of Star Wars content fans like is discussed.

Some type of reorganization with creative control took place since 2018/19…you can call it whatever you want..:but it’s a stark shift before/after. Disney acted like Lucas didn’t exist until the last johnson…and ever since they’ve let his lieutenant basically become CCO of Star Wars?

…that would really be stretching the limits of the definition of “coincidence”