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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi NO SPOILERS!!!!
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21stamps
Well-Known Member
I just went back and read several comments...
I may have seen a different movie than quite a few people here
Completely anecdotal but last night, my son put up his recliner about 20 minutes in, and sat straight up staring intently at the entire movie.
He slept through most of Rogue One the first time we saw it.
Don’t forget that there is a new generation of Star Wars fans..the franchise isn’t going to lose steam anytime soon. Not imo anyway.
I may have seen a different movie than quite a few people here
Completely anecdotal but last night, my son put up his recliner about 20 minutes in, and sat straight up staring intently at the entire movie.
He slept through most of Rogue One the first time we saw it.
Don’t forget that there is a new generation of Star Wars fans..the franchise isn’t going to lose steam anytime soon. Not imo anyway.
AEfx
Well-Known Member
No one said it would.
Just like earlier, no one said that it wasn't going to make gobs of money.
No one is claiming "Star Wars is finished!"
It's great that it kept your kid's attention. It's just too bad they couldn't have made a film that did that and also made any sense whatsoever with TFA.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
I didn’t read all of the comments.. but I did read quite a few that said “they should end it here”.
What I’m saying is, There is a new generation of fans who don’t feel that way, who loved it and already can’t wait for the next installment..kids who will be talking about this movie for months, and reliving it through play with their toys.
I’m 40 years old.. definitely in the age where I was brought up with Star Wars, and I loved the movie. I get that there’s hard core SW Geeks who will pick apart anything that is done and find fault with it.. but for a huge portion of the SW Lovers not in those Geek ranks.. they probably feel the same way that myself and my child do.. at least that’s what I’m hearing from friends and seeing on social media.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It makes sense once you have more information... Obi Wan's answers there can be taken as a creative way to mask what otherwise be painful, but can also be true metaphorically.
Its why I think Ren's statements are more misdirection... than literal. Not because I have some desire for her to be a secret baby... but because I want the damn thing to make sense.
spacemt354
Chili's
Do you think JJ Abrams watched The Last Jedi and thought that? He was an executive producer on the film.
Pretty sure he knew what was coming and will be the main voice in how it all ties together in Ep IX.
And doesn't LucasFilm have a story committee that is the gatekeeper of canon? Do you think they'd let a director just do his own thing undercutting everything they approved for a previous director?
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spacemt354
Chili's
Especially when the film has been sitting on a shelf leading up to the premiere. Wrapped up post-production in September and they were satisfied with it.
michmousefan
Well-Known Member
A bit of clarity to the RT user-Cinemascore arguments. One scientific, one not.
http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wa...c-imdb-users-cinemascore-posttrak-1202228837/
http://deadline.com/2017/12/star-wa...c-imdb-users-cinemascore-posttrak-1202228837/
JohnD
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Examples of undercutting:
1. Spend an entire movie looking for Luke. In TLJ, apparently he can project himself anywhere without leaving the planet he's on.
2. Who is Snoke? In TLJ, apparently it doesn't matter. Watching it, we know why.
3. Who are Rey's parents? In TLJ, Ren answers this and it doesn't seem very revelatory. He could be lying, though.
4. The Resistance destroys the Planet Killer. In TLJ, they are now a Battlestar Galactica rag-tag fleet on the run from the Cylon First Order.
21stamps
Well-Known Member
I don’t think they were undercutting at all..here’s what I got..
1. I feel like Yoda helped Luke realize/decide what to do with the projection.
2. I thought they touched on that in TLJ.
3. I don’t know if I believe Kylo Ren.
4. They lost a ton of fighters in TFA, so what happened next makes sense to me.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
“Rian Johnson, the cast, and the Lucasfilm team have delivered an experience that is totally Star Wars yet at the same time fresh, unexpected and new. That makes this a Star Wars film like audiences have never seen – it’s got people talking, puzzling over its mysteries, and it’s a lot to take in, and we see that as all positive, that should help set the film up for great word-of-mouth and repeat viewing as we enter the lucrative holiday period.”
That quote supports what I think Disney is really trying to do with these movies. Heh, what's the old saying? Even bad publicity is publicity?
The more nerdy (I use that term loosely) support of the film is coming, in general, from people who are well steeped in the new lore or from people who were not deeply committed to the now ejected EU. They read Bloodlines, they read Thrawn, they read the comics, played the Battlefield II missions (or at least watched the cutscenes on youtube), etc. And, I can buy that (I mentioned earlier that my enjoyment and respect for the Prequels drastically changed after watching Clone Wars, which fills out the movies and the characters in them, so you don't really need that development within the movie itself).
To them, these characters are very deep, and this movie satisfying. Just like with Rogue One, to the "casual" modern fan (which even hardcore fans, if they are only deeply aware of EU Canon, are casual under D-Canon)....
I can see that.
And, that is what he's saying. The backlash, and the support, of the movie...the "what the heck" is countered with "well, that is explained in (insert new canon work)"...and "fans" who are willing to give the "new lore" a shot, will then go buy the book, to see for themselves. And, may even come around to explaining away their earlier complaints.
As a result, the primary movie canon doesn't need to take into account character development. It is MEANT to be a bit disjointed and full of eye candy. That way the new D-EU can fill in the cracks around the bricks.
And, Disney's attitude seems to be...we don't need the curmudgeon EU fans who carried the series to this point. We are making new ones, with our new content. And, I'm sure, demographically, they are correct.
It is a different way to handle a franchise, I'll give them that.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Ah, but you miss it. It is all explained in recently released, or soon to be released, comics, video games and books! You need to buy those to fully appreciate this movie, and if you don't...well, then you are not a TRUE FAN!
spacemt354
Chili's
Think back to Return of the Jedi....How much "backstory" was revealed about The Emperor?
Evil old guy who was all-powerful and was Darth Vader's master. That's it. You didn't get (or need) anything else.
It's like some have selective memory with the OT that Star Wars has always provided this spoon-fed backstory for characters within each 2 hour film. Much of the backstories have been in the expanded mythology throughout the years.
Evil old guy who was all-powerful and was Darth Vader's master. That's it. You didn't get (or need) anything else.
It's like some have selective memory with the OT that Star Wars has always provided this spoon-fed backstory for characters within each 2 hour film. Much of the backstories have been in the expanded mythology throughout the years.
This isn't the SPOILER thread.
SPOILER thread here... https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...rs-plot-points-revealed-and-discussed.936621/
21stamps
Well-Known Member
Agree. Luke used him as an example of the dark side of the force.. and the harm that jedis have inflicted. I think that is all we really need to know in either film.
Vader had a back story, as does Kylo Ren..because of who they are and where they came from. I don’t feel that Snoke or The Emperor need similar stories.
michmousefan
Well-Known Member
I have been a huge SW fan since I saw the original when I was in junior high. Couldn’t give a bantha’s butt about the extended universe or Clone Wars. From what I’ve seen & read, they are just fine, but as they connect to the films... I owe them no allegiance.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I addressed this earlier when someone else made this point. I won't rehash the whole thing (I think it was in the spoilers thread), but...consider this...
When it comes to communicating things to the audience that give a character meaning and depth, without having to insert it...titles matter.
There is an assumption by the audience when you use the term "Emperor", because it calls to historical figures that were Emperors. It calls to mind oppressive governments with powerful leadership, it implies this individual has access to near-limitless economic and military resources, etc...etc... Further, through the title alone, his motivations are evident. He oppresses to maintain order and control, and to support himself in his role of Emperor. None of this needs to be explained to the audience with much, if any, detail, because it is implicit in the words chosen.
For the original trilogy arch, you don't NEED to know anything about the Emperor because, being the Emperor, makes sense. Just like you don't need to know much about Jabba, because as a "Underworld Mafia Boss", his relative power and indulgent wealth, makes sense.
Snoke, however, doesn't make sense. "Supreme Leader" is not a phrase that means much of anything. Leader of what? Why do people accept him as a leader? Why did the remnants of the Empire turn to his leadership? How did he gain access to military and financial resources? What are his goals?
englanddg
One Little Spark...
flynnibus
Premium Member
The difference there was we jumped right into an ongoing story arc... it's established the empire is in control... and the emperor is the boss. No need to explain life leading up to that... oppressive militant dictators are commonly relatable.
But that's not where we are in ep8. We are supposed to be picking up where we left off.. there is a time period between episode 6 and 7/8 that is of direct significance to what we have now. The comparison really doesn't hold...