Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

Tony Perkis

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"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
This thread became about that topic, because people have an unhealthy obsession. The people with a pathological need to let everyone know that they didn't like Space Leia, or didn't like Canto Bight, or didn't like Luke's story, every. single. day. It's weird.

Who exactly are you to judge? Just curious? It's rich that you belong to a forum (that we all belong to) - that others would consider an "unhealthy obsession" with Disney. What are your qualifications, exactly? This thread is about reactions to RoS. And to some of us the reactions are directly tied with the events that transpired in TLJ. Including the box office.
 
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flynnibus

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And Johnson was more concerned with making a good movie and adding interesting elements than re-treading the same exact stuff so 45 year old toy collectors could be happy.

And you just repeat the same trope like RJ over and over... it's a straw man. The masses do not want simple rehashes in Star Wars films. That's not behind the distaste for the film. Yet u and RJ just keep droning on that he saved us from that... straw man through and through
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Who exactly are you to judge? Just curious? It's rich that you belong to a forum (that we all belong to) - that others would consider an "unhealthy obsession" with Disney. What are your qualifications, exactly? This thread is about reactions to RoS. And to some of us the reactions are directly tied with the events that transpired in TLJ. Including the box office.

I'm referring to complaints about TLJ that really have little to do with TRoS or are repetitive to an absurd degree. How many times do people need to bring up the little things they disliked? If the words "Star Wars" appear online, within seconds someone is there to remind us how much they hated Luke milking a space cow. Two years later and it's this Pavlovian response. There are things I didn't like in any given SW movie, but I'm not typing out my grievances every day, if not more often (and that's not an exaggeration with some people).

I wrote a lengthy post about how the new trilogy did Rey a disservice by spending two and a half movies toying with the mystery of her lineage, something that should have been established by the second movie, and given more time to develop, imo. Not to toot my own horn, but that's a post that references other films in order to assess the trilogy as a whole, not just repeating the same complaints about TLJ over and over. I would argue that the lack of story development in TLJ is relevant to TRoS and the trilogy as a whole, but when people repeat how they hated Space Leia for the hundredth time, not so much.

What is the point of rehashing the TLJ box office debate? Comparing this movie's ultimate performance to the previous two is one thing, but people are spending time revisiting how TLJ did in comparison to TFA. That's old news. It's also telling how people cling to TFA as a benchmark for how a Star Wars movie should perform, when it was a once in a generation sequel with 32 years of anticipation.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Two years later and it's this Pavlovian response.

Hey, you judged. Not me. And it's brought up because some here like to use words like "critically acclaimed", "new direction" on...and on...and on... They also like to bash RoS because it wasn't done according to Rian Johnson's visionary genius.

Then when questioned about the critical reaction of the fan to TLJ. The divisiveness of the movie. The fact that it under-performed. That TLJ has had everything to do with the declining state of the franchise. That it lead to the single biggest drop-off in it's second week in movie history. The standard talking point reverts back to "critically acclaimed" and "the toxic fans". That's the true Pavlovian response.

Everyone has a reaction to the movie. It's not up to you to decide which are valid. If I want to reach back to RotJ (as I have several times) to react to the retcon done with Palpatine. I'll do it. And I'm not looking at you for permission to do so.

Wasn't my intention to come on here and rail against the TLJ. But when you have those that take the position that it undid things from Johnson's movie and that's why RoS was bad. Well, yeah, then it's going to get re-hashed.
 
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choco choco

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Movie wasn't terrible on it's own. I agree that Abrams fought an uphill battle. He got very little opportunity to payoff the things he set up in TFA. The end of the Skywalker story (and the Disney Trilogy for that matter) should have been about a coherent story line with nothing but payoffs (from all eras). Sadly, we never got there.

It's worth noting that JJ Abrams does not have an example of paying off something that he has set up. There's not a single example of him doing it in his nearly thirty year career.
 

Kram Sacul

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In the Parks
Yes
Why are you continuously posting in a thread created to discuss a movie you haven’t seen?

This thread needs some moderation.

People who are still consumed by their dislike of TLJ, to the point where they complain about it all day long, day after day, need help.

You mean they’re actually doing it in their free time and not as a full time job? Pretty sad. This is basically another Galaxy’s Edge thread.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Hey, you judged. Not me. And it's brought up because some here like to use words like "critically acclaimed", "new direction" on...and on...and on... They also like to bash RoS because it wasn't done according to Rian Johnson's visionary genius.

Then when questioned about the critical reaction of the fan to TLJ. The divisiveness of the movie. The fact that it under-performed. That TLJ has had everything to do with the declining state of the franchise. That it lead to the single biggest drop-off in it's second week in movie history. The standard talking point reverts back to "critically acclaimed" and "the toxic fans". That's the true Pavlovian response.

Everyone has a reaction to the movie. It's not up to you to decide which are valid. If I want to reach back to RotJ (as I have several times) to react to the retcon done with Palpatine. I'll do it. And I'm not looking at you for permission to do so.

Wasn't my intention to come on here and rail against the TLJ. But when you have those that take the position that it undid things from Johnson's movie and that's why RoS was bad. Well, yeah, then it's going to get re-hashed.

I've always maintained everyone is entitled to their opinion on each movie. You're the one who said "There's not a true Star Wars fan that did like the outcome" in regards to TLJ, a textbook example of declaring that there is only one valid reaction to the film.

You seem to completely miss my point about criticism. Citing RotJ if you feel that there's an inconsistency with Palpatine is reasonable, it's the endless and repeated complaints about every trivial thing - "Rian Johnson made Luke milk a space cow and he ruined my Star Wars!", that is obsessive. Talk about perpetuating the cliche of the sci-fi fan who spends every waking minute nitpicking.
 

flynnibus

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What is the point of rehashing the TLJ box office debate? Comparing this movie's ultimate performance to the previous two is one thing, but people are spending time revisiting how TLJ did in comparison to TFA.

Because several posters always interject TLJ hate as the poster child of everything wrong with star wars fans and use it to belittle and dismiss other criticisms by said star wars fans. Its the high horse riders using TLJ as their sacred cow to show how the majority of people are really at fault and they just dont know it.
 

Tony Perkis

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Because several posters always interject TLJ hate as the poster child of everything wrong with star wars fans and use it to belittle and dismiss other criticisms by said star wars fans. Its the high horse riders using TLJ as their sacred cow to show how the majority of people are really at fault and they just dont know it.
A lot of people trash TLJ haters not because of their opinions of the film, but because a not insignificant amount become absolutely toxic in how they conduct themselves. They drove Kelly Marie Tran and Daisy Ridley off social media and harassed Rian Johnson because they were butthurt that he ruined their precious baby.

We quite frankly don’t care if you liked or disliked the film. We will debate the merits of certain plot points, completely subjective discussions. That's standard film discussion and should be encouraged.

I don’t like being told what is or isn’t a Star Wars film. That’s demeaning as hell, and I’m not going to take that from somebody who whines about wokeness and gets upset when male characters have flaws.
 
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BrianLo

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Did ESB drop 68.9% in week 2 and cause other SW movies to be cancelled and create an environment where RotJ lost money? I'll wait.

RotS isn't going to lose money...?

Solo was actually the culprit behind the movie cancellations. I don't think Solo bombing is the fault of TLJ, especially when RotS is going to do 3x its performance. It doesn't exactly make sense. Sure if RotS does 50% of TLJ's business.

If Solo was a great movie I'm sure it would have done just as well as Rogue One. Just look at the DC Universe. Unequivocally the main films were disasters, but Wonder Woman still broke out just fine.

Solo was the real 'problem' film financially, NOT TLJ.

I think they tried to do too much at once was the problem. The appetite wasn't there for a problematic movie no one asked for 5 months later.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
They do have a point and I don't mean this maliciously, but you obviously care about Star Wars. So why not just go see the new movie? It's not apathy, I'd understand that, and you'd be better informed on the discussion.
IF that was their point...I’d concede it. But this is much deeper. It’s a variation of “Disney trust” on boards that shouts down criticism. My criticism is really of the whole handling of the entire thing. They have boned it in many ways and there’s little excuse for the overlords.

But the criticism turns nasty as the thinly veiled defense of the shield comes in...that is my shortcoming for sure.

I find it ironic (always) when a poster in a voluntary forum is criticized for using it. By definition: if any of us are here...we shouldn’t complain about activity or act like we have something better to do...we don’t. People write trip reports here...they discuss politics...
And I’m wasting time? Really? What kinda glass are your walls made of?

I post a lot about only a few topics...mostly pricing and longterm direction/erosion of value. And debunking illogical rumors and Star Wars.

Occasionally I like to give hotel and restaurant advice to help...I have some unique insights.

Now I’ve had to “defend” something not needed and ultimately reasonable...and that’s BS to be “required”
There’s always a tinge of “why you be mean on disney??! 😡 “ behind that. Always.

I will see the movie. I’m letting my kids who honestly have no use for them pick the time. I wasn’t gonna front load it for them. Not gonna reward bad corporate management so they can claim box office numbers = good movies. They don’t. It’s 2019.

And of course I knew the whole thing...plot has been out there for months and Iger’s comments about Star Wars on his press tour when he did the book made me choose to see what was in this movie.
It is what it is...and wedge alone wasn’t enough to pull me in opening night.

I actually think I’ll be surprised and like it more than I think...but that doesn’t forgive blatant mismanagement and that absolutely belongs in any Star Wars discussion...including here and the parks. It’s a package deal.

I’ll tell you what though...if they do twin suns yet again I’m gonna throw the popcorn bucket at the screen. I’ve not confirmed that intentionally. That was a throw away scene the first time...STAAAHP reusing it.
RotS isn't going to lose money...?

Solo was actually the culprit behind the movie cancellations. I don't think Solo bombing is the fault of TLJ, especially when RotS is going to do 3x its performance. It doesn't exactly make sense. Sure if RotS does 50% of TLJ's business.

If Solo was a great movie I'm sure it would have done just as well as Rogue One. Just look at the DC Universe. Unequivocally the main films were disasters, but Wonder Woman still broke out just fine.

Solo was the real 'problem' film financially, NOT TLJ.

I think they tried to do too much at once was the problem. The appetite wasn't there for a problematic movie no one asked for 5 months later.
The most accurate recount of events is the last Jedi caused a turn in casual fans and some diehards that led to solo bomb and all the cancellations. That IS the most consistent, logical account. Don’t believe in coincidences.

We have armchair “cinema critics” here fighting the facts at hand and then giving us Disney’s excuses...which are silly even for them.

They are a money/PR machine...take them at that value and we all get along. That doesn’t mean always be negative...sometimes they do some much needed honesty...but let’s not be immature about it?
I’m surprised the usual suspects haven’t laughed at this post, crying “failure!” It’s almost like they want Disney to fail as if that will restore Star Wars to whatever it was supposed to be. And it won’t because... it won’t.

I want Disney to change direction...which means firing Kennedy. If that can be done with box office success ...more power to them.

What’s done is done. At a MINIMUM this three movie “arc” is a divisive as the prequels...and that is a tremendous miscalculation...and that is a black eye. It’s not like they didn’t know better.

I want “that”...because I don’t want the whacks aT LFL to fumble around anymore throwing darts at a board. Too hit or miss. Marvel is not “hit or miss”...it’s hit and occasionally “ok”. Captain marvel and the dark world look like citizen Kane compared to some of this nonsense with the biggest franchise in history name attached.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member

That is straight up dumb...

If anything...Lucas and Disney have “ruined it” by making the same mistakes: designing movies around retail, not making good stories, and then calling the fans immature and stupid for not going along with every detail.

But unlike many...I apparently remember the last 20 years. Not much of a fast and furious fan so I haven’t been distracted...
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I think Ruin Johnson fans expected Rose Tico to be the one who killed Palpatine


She was a bad character in a terrible film. At least that's one think RoS got right. Why not the outcry for the lack of screen-time for Luke. Ah, right. It didn't fit the agenda.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think Ruin Johnson fans expected Rose Tico to be the one who killed Palpatine


She was a bad character in a terrible film. At least that's one think RoS got right. Why not the outcry for the lack of screen-time for Luke. Ah, right. It didn't fit the agenda.

You mean the core character that carried the original trilogy that nobody disputes changed Hollywood forever?

...right...I’m bothering people...I’ll just ignore this factoid 🤪
 
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Joesixtoe

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Why would I want Rey to be a Skywalker? That just makes this universe feel even smaller. Having her be a nobody was exciting. It meant that the Force was bigger than just one family. We see the stable kid at the end using the Force, letting us know that this idea will be important in the future. Until JJ drops the ball. The Emperor was just some big old dude with powers in the OT. We didn't need a backstory. And since I've already seen a robed Sith big boss, I didn't really need to see that again. Instead Johnson killed that idea and kept the story with our leads. This wasn't going to just be a repeat of Jedi, instead we were getting something new. Kylo wasn't interested in being a Sith Lord, he wanted to destroy the past and create a new world order. No more black and white. That was so interesting to watch. If the movie would have ended there it would have been incredible.

JJ had steered us directly at the same boring plot points we had seen before. Johnson turned those into new ideas and ways to expand the SW universe.
My point wasn't ment as Rey needed to be a Skywalker, it was that Johnson decided to subvert all expectations. Although I will say Daisy did say she was surprised when no one knew who her parents where.. as in TFA made it seem pretty clear who the saber was calling too. Anyway her being a Palpatine or nobody is cool too.. it's all the subverted plot lines from Rian, just makes you feel kinda punked that's all I ment.
 

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