ANH was a phenomena that had a Year and a Half Theater run. You think that by using that it bolsters TLJ
- TLJ was basically a $1 movie four weeks out of the gate. Keep reachin' though
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ANH was a phenomena that had a Year and a Half Theater run. You think that by using that it bolsters TLJ
- TLJ was basically a $1 movie four weeks out of the gate. Keep reachin' though
Tony Perkis
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So you’re admitting that by The Empire Strikes Back failed because it couldn’t replicate ANH’s run. It underperformed. Nobody went to go see it a second time.ANH was a phenomena that had a Year and a Half Theater run. You think that by using that it bolsters TLJ
Did ESB drop 68.9% in week 2 and cause other SW movies to be cancelled and create an environment where RotJ lost money? I'll wait.
Can't we just simply berate you not for the quality of your posts, but the sheer quantity?
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
No. Solo bombing is what caused the cancellation of additional Star Wars movies. Some due to a divisive reaction to TLJ, but primarily due to Star Wars fatigue (it was the 4th SW film in 2.5 years) and a tepid product.
It grossed almost $1 billion less than TLJ.
I look forward to you predictably blaming its bombing on TLJ, which is still the 9th highest grossing film of all time.
And, if it isn’t too much trouble, do you mind every now and then responding to some of the rebuttals myself and a few other posters have directed toward you? I don’t want to accuse you of ignoring them, but you seem to be missing them.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Late to to the party, Johnny...
That was thrown up in the air back then and shot down like the polish airforce...
Star Wars (4) had a two theatrical run...it was incredible. That’s a phenomenon. Force awakens had a 3 month or so run or significance. By today’s standards very good.
Why is it different? Because Star Wars created the blockbuster franchise...along with jaws a couple other smaller cases...
All the current franchises are descendants of that movie and it’s amazing run.
Empire did pretty well...but met with some criticism because it wasn’t a “good guys one” movie. Which to it’s never ending credit it shouldn’t have been. It was and is the perfect middle act...strengthening the whole.
Last Johnson is a misfire...critics proven wrong and Disney suffering financial fallout to this day.
How do we know? Well tuned out the critics are mad because their reviews of Johnson look silly...so they pummeled 9. 9 has been doing quite well this week...the audiences are liking it...it seems.
But the best it will do is equal last Johnson...because that film exists and it’s dragging the ship under the waves a little still.
Maybe hundred mil here or there isn’t a big deal to Disney on the surface...but they know that the goal is to make tons of money off movies like this long AFTER it’s costing them a dime...and 8 more than any entry is putting that in jeopardy.
See: Marvel. That argument doesn't hold water
ESB adjusted for inflation is at about 1.8 Billion. Nice try though.
It absolutely is attributed to TLJ.
Does that cover all of them? While were at it. How about addressing the 68.9% drop? Project much?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You can and do both...and since it’s a discussion board I usually leave it all to good fun.
But this particularly topic/genre (a full half my posts...the never was to be Brazil pavilion is dwarfed) the record is pretty clear. I’m making the playoffs and even have home field advantage
Or you can cry for moderators because the people outside in the the real world are breaking more on my side than the defenders...and that’s bad for me too as a Star Wars fan.
If people don’t want to discuss...then why are you here?
Professortango1
Well-Known Member
Marvel films are about different characters and different types of movies. Guardians is nothing like Ant Man which is nothing like Captain America. All Star Wars films are pretty similar with Stormtroopers, an evil Empire, blasters, space battles, and the same roster of lead characters (Skywalkers and Solos.)
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You actually went “Star Wars fatigue”??
What a ridiculous excuse...you honestly can’t go to that well and play the “astute critic” card.
The OTHER excuses hold more water...that nobody ever wanted the solo story or public bad PR with the story and directors caused a bad stigma to it
Professortango1
Well-Known Member
Critics are film lovers who review films professionally. They can't really be proven wrong. They can just reflect on a film with their level of professional insight.
And critics are panning Episode 9 because...its not good. It is a mess. Fan service shoved in clumsily. Rushed with too many characters and nothing developed. The only victory is Ren. Adam Driver carries this new franchise.
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
It had two theatrical runs because it was something people have never seen before. It caught lightening in a bottle. It didn’t have 2 theatrical releases because the studio just put it out there, but because it was a once in a generation film experience. Theatres has to keep it in there to remain profitable.
All the current franchises are descendants of that movie and it’s amazing run.[/quote]
Incorrect. At the time, nobody knew it would spawn an entire franchise.
Its amazing how quickly your argument changes when you like the film. your point isn’t consistent with past points.
This is straight up conspiracy theory nonsense right here.
Solo.
So after "the most anticipated movie in a generation" 4 was enough? Yeah, Okie dokie.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The contention that the public can get tired of good Star Wars movies is patently insane...
Ok...I’m blowing my O-ring...I agree with Mr. Penguin...I need a timeout
Professortango1
Well-Known Member
The public can get tired of anything. People grow tired of the same. We don't want anything too alien, but as a species, we do like to explore new elements.
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
68.9% drop?
Professortango1
Well-Known Member
What? Are you saying that since people wanted to have a new SW film, they should have an unlimited appetite?
I love Sushi and look forward to special events when we go. Me not wanting Sushi the 4 more times within a week doesn't mean Sushi isn't well made or that its limited, it just means I've had enough for now. The original trilogy took time between movies. It didn't have inbetween movies coming out. It didn't just keep repeating the same elements over and over.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
I don't care why you haven't seen it. Why not create a thread about the state of Star Wars if that's what people want to discuss? This is a thread that's supposed to be about a specific movie.
This thread became about that topic, because people have an unhealthy obsession. The people with a pathological need to let everyone know that they didn't like Space Leia, or didn't like Canto Bight, or didn't like Luke's story, every. single. day. It's weird.
And now the box office debate is being rehashed, because some people have that same obsessive need to use those numbers to justify why their opinion of The Last Jedi reflects some sort of consensus, and still need to do so two years later. Some people liked it, some people didn't, most of us get this and understand there isn't a need for everyone to feel the same way.