Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Mouse Trap]

He's not A-list.
Just because you like him doesn't make him an A-list Box Office draw.
What other blockbuster movies has he brought in huge numbers simply on his name?

A-list talent and being in blockbuster films are not the same thing lol. You’re giving “A-list” your own definition. You realize actors pick and choose roles, right? Not everyone wants to be where the huge paycheck is.

Adam Driver is Oscar nominated, was in 3-4 films between each Star Wars, has two more films lined up after Star Wars, was just asked to host SNL, was on Broadway, should I keep going? He’s very in demand and very much A-list.

For the record, I don’t care for him. But I’m not naive enough to disregard his talent.

 

[TROR]

Lol, Driver is not a box office draw or A-list talent.
You're doing an awful lot to defend the guy, must have met him or something at a fan fest.

He has no drawing power. He's not choosing what he does more so that's all he's gonna get and he's choosing from the small films he's given.

You’re ignorant and should be ignored.

 

[Mouse Trap]

He’s literally favourited to be nominated for an Oscar this season....

His/Her definition of being A-list is only agreeing to do tentpole films and big budget productions. Playing dynamic characters in story driven films doesn’t count apparently.

 

[flynnibus]

That’s not a bad thing on its own, though, but the creative team undercut her every step of the way.

In TLJ, the grand reveal is that she is no one, which is a ripe and golden opportunity to have every accomplishment, and failure, going forward entirely on her. That’s empowerment and good storytelling.

Then, in the most recent film, it’s revealed that she can do what she can because of someone else. It’s a massive hypocrisy on the screenwriters. It went from “be your own person” to “don’t be this guy”.

It’s astoundingly tone deaf and bad writing.

Honestly hanging on this like you have is like someone kicked your dog.

What you call “good writing” was widley panned because maybe its “good writing” somewhere else... but in the sw universe it is highly contradictory to the universe as laid out for decades before. The main reason these films get panned is because they do things that make no sense to the core of knowledge we have AS SET BY the stewards of the story that had been so studied and explored.

This isnt john wick where things just “are, because they are...”... there is a ton of established principles and concepts. And the sequence of TFA and TLJ just toy with that and throw most of it into the gutter.

If rey just turned out to be some rando force sensitive who was a quick learner... ok... but she was freakin jesus christ, tied into the prophecies and paths of all the main force people as well. It doesnt work with “you are nobody”.

And thats why it was bad writing and she is hung up as a mary sue.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Lol, Driver is not a box office draw or A-list talent.
You're doing an awful lot to defend the guy, must have met him or something at a fan fest.

He has no drawing power. He's not choosing what he does more so that's all he's gonna get and he's choosing from the small films he's given.

He was in one of the buzziest Oscar movies of last season (BlacKkKlansman), he’s being spoken about being nominated this season (Marriage Story)... he’s doing just fine. Really...

 

[Mike S]

His/Her definition of being A-list is only agreeing to do tentpole films and big budget productions. Playing dynamic characters in story driven films doesn’t count apparently.

It’s also being a huge draw just by name alone. A few I can think of right now would be Matt Damon, Christian Bale, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, etc. Adam Driver isn’t there yet.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Lol, Driver is not a box office draw or A-list talent.
You're doing an awful lot to defend the guy, must have met him or something at a fan fest.

He has no drawing power. He's not choosing what he does more so that's all he's gonna get and he's choosing from the small films he's given.

Your dismal understanding of the entertainment industry is hilarious. The more you talk the more clueless I can tell you are. You’re taking this discussion very personally for whatever reason. I’m sorry you don’t like Adam Driver, however he hurt you.

 

[Disney Analyst]

It’s also being a huge draw just by name alone. A few I can think of right now would be Matt Damon, Christian Bale, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, etc. Adam Driver isn’t there yet.

And if I see another movie with those clowns I will gouge my eyes out.

Adam Driver is new, interesting... and going to be at that level eventually where I too never want to see him again...

but he’s doing just fine for himself right now.

 

[Mouse Trap]

It’s also being a huge draw just by name alone. A few I can think of right now would be Matt Damon, Christian Bale, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, etc. Adam Driver isn’t there yet.

How old is Adam Driver compared to these folks? He’s a decade or more younger than all of them. He definitely doesn’t have their star power that’s for sure, but his career has been way shorter. If he gets there only time will tell.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Lol. Projecting I see. I'm not sure why you are so into Adam Driver and getting so emotional about it.

He is what he is a mediocre talent who isn't a draw. And was probably one of the weakest villains in the Star Wars franchise. Vader, Grand Moth Tarkin, Darth Maul all much better.

You’re deflecting everything I’m saying and trying to turn it against me. This is great lmao. It’s clear Driver is some sort of trigger for you. Just relax dude.

 

[Mouse Trap]

Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Bale, were all box office draws in their 20s.

Adam Driver is 36 years old and still not a draw.

You keep flip flopping on being a box-office draw or an A-list talent. This discussion is pointless because you’re just changing your definitions of success on the fly.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Bale, were all box office draws in their 20s.

Adam Driver is 36 years old and still not a draw.

why does it matter how anyone’s career takes shape? Adam Driver is clearly on his way there. But because he’s not yet there level that somehow makes him unworthy or something?

Again, id rather have new interesting talent then the same men in every movie.

 

[TROR]

Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Bale, were all box office draws in their 20s.

Adam Driver is 36 years old and still not a draw.

The movie star is a dead concept. Star power does not put people in seats.

 

[Mouse Trap]

You’re avoiding the reality.

Driver is 36 years old and still not a box office draw.

brad Pitt, Tom cruise and Bale were all draws in there 20s

that kind of shoots down your statement.

No they all weren’t actually. Since blockbusters are your measurement of success:

What blockbuster or wildly successful film was Bale leading during his 20’s? What blockbuster was Pitt leading in in his 20’s?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Do you seriously think one black supporting character, the voice of a black man and a bunch of racially mixed background characters who appear for 3 seconds makes the film diverse?

Again, I’m totally aware Star Wars is a product of its time, but you can’t logically think the OT is even close to being diverse across gender and background.

This is NOT an issue with Star Wars. This is an waste of effort on an entertainment enterprise. And it’s also - conveniently - provides a smoke screen for Disney’s mishandling of character and story...as a side effect.

I could not care less whether Star Wars is “diverse” enough or not. That is the least of my concerns with Star Wars.

The revisionist history on this being an “issue” is the most aggravating thing in Star Wars minefield of missteps.

People act as though only white Boys played Han Solo in the backyard...and Leia was the subject of feminist rallies about being “weak”

In the latter case - she was actually progressive and revolutionary.

This is classic case of mining the past for current grievances.

He’s literally favourited to be nominated for an Oscar this season....

For an indie film on Netflix about marriage troubles...

Anyone having to carry Scarjo...who is borderline awful...should get an Oscar

 

[flynnibus]

Here is a simple way to look at...

How many will feel compelled to goto an adam driver movie based on what theynsaw in star wars?
How many felt compelled to goto a star wars movie because of adam driver?


Im sure adam brought some kids in... but i dont think his appeal was very broad. And i don’t have any interest in a future product based on what screen time i got of him from sw.

I dont think the new movies made stars out of anyone... except daisy.

 

[TROR]

The real problem with The Rise of Skywalker is that there are certain things set up in the movie, such as Finn wanting to tell Rey something and the romantic build up between Poe and Rey, that don't have any pay off or are just pushed aside for something else. There's so much tension in the line of "You know what you are? You're difficult," that Rey says to Poe, it's a perfect set up for the classic "can't get along but later fall in love" trope from every 1950's musical. Based on their interaction in The Last Jedi, the "you're difficult" line, and Poe getting offended when Finn wants to tell Rey something but won't say it in front of him (reminiscent of Han getting upset with Leia on Endor), Rey and Poe are a natural relationship in the Sequel Trilogy. Instead, it's an abusive man who tried to murder her that they pair her with? It's disgusting. Maybe there's still potential for Rey and Poe seeing as she has his droid for some reason.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No they weren’t actually. Since blockbusters are your measurement of success:

What blockbuster or wildly successful film was Bale leading during his 20’s? What blockbuster was Pitt leading in in his 20’s?

Pitt and cruise were entirely driven by sex appeal...it wasn’t till later they were give actual acting...

Did you see legends of the fall?


Bale was put into an incredible franchise with depth of character and adaptation. The first two are among the 5 best superhero movies of all time (and the third is underrated) and better than any MCU with perhaps the exception of the winter soldier.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Here is a simple way to look at...

How many will feel compelled to goto an adam driver movie based on what theynsaw in star wars?
How many felt compelled to goto a star wars movie because of adam driver?


Im sure adam brought some kids in... but i dont think his appeal was very broad. And i don’t have any interest in a future product based on what screen time i got of him from sw.

I dont think the new movies made stars out of anyone... except daisy.

Girls was also and incredibly disputed series as far as fan opinion

 

[Mouse Trap]

Here is a simple way to look at...

How many will feel compelled to goto an adam driver movie based on what theynsaw in star wars?
How many felt compelled to goto a star wars movie because of adam driver?


Im sure adam brought some kids in... but i dont think his appeal was very broad. And i don’t have any interest in a future product based on what screen time i got of him from sw.

I dont think the new movies made stars out of anyone... except daisy.

She’s actually the least in demand now, not including Kelly Marie Tran. Isaac and Driver already had solid careers pre-Star Wars.

Boyega is getting offered roles like crazy. Star Wars was certainly his launchpad.