The Grand Inquisitor
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I guess Disney must be nervous and want to get people talking. This makes me want to have a Palpatine centric Disney+ spin off.
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Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I’d be ok wish that...but...big BUT...they have to explain it in the movie and do it intelligently. It can’t be something “unsaid” that later is in some fan fiction esque book.
The beauty of the OT is that it explained everything on a level that was acceptable for all ages. You never felt like the movie wasn’t “for you” at any point...really.
They have massively failed to do that since. This retcon - and that is exactly what it is - with the bad guys can’t be left unsaid. All the deets since Jedi have to be put on the film.
If they do the “Jedi master sypha dyas” thing again...it will be comical
The Grand Inquisitor
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Yeah I agree they absolutely have to explain how the Emperor is back, how he was Snoke, and how he was talking to Kylo through Vader's helmet.
Sirwalterraleigh
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...tracking for a lower box office than minions will do that to a studio that’s sole goal is to peddle products en masse
Sirwalterraleigh
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Well...the chances of them doing this within the run time is not looking good.
As much as a I love mcdiarmid...and I do...him showing up walking around after exploding 35 years ago and cackling “I am all powerful! It was all my plan” is like “attack of the clones” laughable....like the gladiator pit would make more sense
Gonna cause even more hate/dissension from old guard fans than killing off the characters to try and market replacements...
The Grand Inquisitor
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For me I really hope the movie is good and does well. It would great to see if Disney made up for their mistakes....tracking for a lower box office than minions will do that to a studio that’s sole goal is to peddle products en masse
The Grand Inquisitor
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Maybe JJ does have a plan to explain it. It might just be the optimist in me but I really hope they don't explain how the emperor is back. It would be beyond stupid not to explain it.
Sirwalterraleigh
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It would be nice if they committed to making good Star Wars stories for the long haul...and make that their only goal.
Not worry about the money. The fanbase would be strengthened and the money would flow if they just drop the pretences and concentrate on story and characters
Sirwalterraleigh
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Abrams isn’t nearly as good and he’s given credit for...he’s not a closer.
Hell...even he admitted it and said it out of the gate in the vanity fair spread two months back.
It looked like hedging
The Grand Inquisitor
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I absolutely agree! Forget the money focus on the story and characters. I was just re watching the return of the jedi the other day while running and I hadn't watched it in a while and it's so good. The originals just show what the Disney movies are lacking. Heart. They just seem like soulless cash grabs.
Sirwalterraleigh
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No...return of the Jedi is the worst movie ever...
I mean...it was never that way at the time...we all took it as the end chapter and enjoyed the resolution...but what did we know?
It became the worst when there was backlash about the awfulness of Lucas during the prequels...
And I have a feeling it will become “more awful” in the post Disney era that Bob decreed to start next week...
It’s just so bad...the other stuff your eyes tell you is bad isn’t really THAT bad.
Yep...uh huh...makes sense
The Grand Inquisitor
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I take it you are being sarcastic?
Sirwalterraleigh
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I’m being completely disingenuously “honest” about the best example of how the fanbase has tried to make excuses for Hollywood’s inconceivable failure to make more good Star Wars movies...which is a fairly simple thing.I take it you are being sarcastic?
Jedijax719
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Must be hard living on the planet I live in where people might actually enjoy things? Actually, it's pretty easy and pretty pleasant. Did TLJ "suffer" due to backlash over TFA? Nope. Sure, it wasn't a great movie. I'll accept it, but it suffered because the movie itself wasn't that great, not because the movies before it had issues. Likewise, if TROS is good (which it looks to be) and people like it, then the movie will have its own life and not be defined by what came before it.
It's when people try to compare everything to TFA or to End Game that causes people to consider things as "failures" just as many people called TLK'19 a "failure". Yeah, I have seen a lot of people saying that believe it or not.
If the movie makes around the same as TLK'19, it won't be necessarily a bomb, but I find that scenario to be EXTREMELY unlikely. Less than $600 million domestic? Maybe, but that still won't be a bomb.
As far as ticket sales go, it is going VERY well and has been picking up even more steam. If it opens less than $190 million and makes less than $550 million domestic and less than $1.1 billion WW, then we can talk. Until then, despite there being a lot of disgruntled people butthurt over TLJ, SW is not quite close to the doom and gloom you are describing.
The Grand Inquisitor
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I got it. I have ADHD so it can be hard to pick up if people are sarcastic.
Mike S
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Oh jeez I think I’ve figured it out. I’ll put it in spoilers just in case it’s actually true.
I hope this isn’t it because it would be such a stupid cop out.
Palpatine was never on the Death Star. He was projecting himself the whole time “just in case” but did it in a better way so that his projection was physical. Of course, Luke died attempting this same feat.
The Grand Inquisitor
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If that is true that is beyond stupid. I really hope that is not true.
Mike S
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I came up with it on the spot. Clearly I’m not the best at this lol.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Nah...not that
i think they go more “all powerful wizard” angle and say he can manipulate the force for immortality...which of course they’ll then contradict in some lightsaber scene.
Based on the leaks and how they correspond to tbr trailers and tv spots...there is just way too much going on to pull a well paced, coherent story off ...just can’t see it.
The pacing has to be a breakneck pace...no subtlety whatsoever.
The nuance of empire and parts of Jedi with pacing is the one of the things that made them stick.
George threw that out the window trying to do too much and make it whizz-bang
Disney threw it out the window by setting up NOTHING for almost 5 hours...except to “kill” (we know what’s coming) 2 of the prime characters...and leaving the one that is DEAD and was decrepit already alive
Based on the leaks and how they correspond to tbr trailers and tv spots...there is just way too much going on to pull a well paced, coherent story off ...just can’t see it.
The pacing has to be a breakneck pace...no subtlety whatsoever.
The nuance of empire and parts of Jedi with pacing is the one of the things that made them stick.
George threw that out the window trying to do too much and make it whizz-bang
Disney threw it out the window by setting up NOTHING for almost 5 hours...except to “kill” (we know what’s coming) 2 of the prime characters...and leaving the one that is DEAD and was decrepit already alive
Magenta Panther
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As for the Ghostbusters trailer, it does look like the upcoming film's story is a natural, believable update of the original. The passage of time is acknowledged, plus the tragic death of Harold Ramis.
(Man, it hurts that he won't be in it). And the kids were appealing. Plus we hear Bill Murray's words from the original film ("Call it fate..."). The trailer is very well done IMO. So I'm hopeful...