Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

Mike S

Mike S

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erasure fan1 said:
That is where my problem lies with Kennedy. I don't blame Rian for the movie he made, I blame Kennedy for letting him make it. Unfortunately no matter how good rise of Skywalker is, there will always be that nagging feeling of a missed opportunity for me.
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The movie in the middle is the backbone of the trilogy. For the last movie to be trying to ignore it is a bad sign. For as cringey as parts of Attack of the Clones was it’s the movie where the big war that takes us into Revenge of the Sith started. It introduced the Clones which eventually would betray the Jedi and take us further into A New Hope. TLJ, imo, didn’t do anything on this scale. All it did was “subvert expectations.” Saying anyone can be a Jedi is nothing. We already knew this to be a fact based on previous stories.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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So I've been thinking about this from watching the trailer a bunch of times. They always purposefully cut these trailers up to not give away the story, even sometimes (in the case of Marvel) putting out fake scenes in the trailers, all to hype up the film.

Obviously what Luke is saying throughout the trailer is part of a single speech to Rey, and I think its cut up in a way so its in wrong order.

So forgetting the Palpatine laugh for a second here is what I think the speech is in its full context.

Luke: We'll always be with you. No one's ever really gone. A thousand generations live in you now. We've passed on all we know. But this is your fight.

As for the Palpatine laugh, could it be a force ghost of him? Could it be a clone? Or could it be something else, like something that Lucas himself foreshadowed back in Ep3 with Palpatine's story of the Tragedy of Darth Plaguesis? Who knows, we'll all find out in 8 months.
 
Tony Perkis

Tony Perkis

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Mike S said:
It is made by Respawn which a lot of people praise. I’m just hoping beyond hope it comes to Switch.
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I had to look them up. I haven’t played the Titanfall games (more of a PS4, third person perspective fan), but they seem fairly critically reputable.

I would be shocked if it comes to the Switch, in all honesty, based on their prior games.
 
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Tony Perkis

Tony Perkis

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Mike S said:
That too. I’ve read about that. I’m not going to pretend I’m all knowing on this subject but there are certainly ways they could’ve done this trilogy that satisfied the fans that were mostly excited to see the old heroes return and at the same time take the universe in a new direction. I think you can agree with this. This whole thing was mismanaged. The fact that they’re returning to Palpatine is pretty much an admission that they messed up imo. If there was a great and interesting brand new villain they wouldn’t have felt the need to go back to the well. Not to mention this brings up an issue where the Rebels never really won, Luke’s grand triumph over the Dark Side pretty much didn’t happen and will now be accomplished by Rey (ugh), and Anakin’s ultimate sacrifice and return to the light is taken down a notch depending on how they’re actually doing this. They really needed a Kevin Feige type figure heading this trilogy.
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I have my issues regarding this sequel trilogy as well, and they largely stem from the fact that Kathleen Kennedy has done a poor job of adhering to consistent overall story.

She knew from reading Rian Johnson’s script very early what he was attempting to do with the film. She knew what Abrams was attempting to establish in The Force Awakens, and she allowed a tonal and narrative 180 without resistance.

I say this as someone who thinks The Last Jedi is a significantly better film than The Force Awakens.

The series has issues that neither director/writers have done a particularly good job addressing:

1) What impact does the First Order have on the galaxy in general? We know they’re powerful, but we have no idea if they strangle societies and keep them technologically and politically oppressed. Stormtroopers controlling operations in Tatooine gave us all the information we needed in ANH.

2) Who are the Resistance? Are they the small group of rebels with multiple outposts, or are they just a few people on a ship acting as a shield for everyone else in the galaxy?

3) Why does nearly every new Star Wars film need a giant squid scene?

4) Why hasn’t potentially the best story in the entire series, how the First Order gets their soldiers, been largely ignored?

Abrams deserves blame for not laying a grand plan to have a centralized story across 3 films, Kennedy deserves blame for not holding her filmmakers to a set story standard. Johnson deserves blame if he deviated from a grander plan, but again, that also is a mark against Kennedy.
 
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Tick Tock

Tick Tock

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Disney Irish Bruh said:
As for the Palpatine laugh, could it be a force ghost of him? Could it be a clone? Or could it be something else, like something that Lucas himself foreshadowed back in Ep3 with Palpatine's story of the Tragedy of Darth Plaguesis? Who knows, we'll all find out in 8 months.
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If I was a betting man, I'd say Palpatine will return as sorta a vision / dream sequence, reminiscent of when Luke encountered "Vader" in the creepy tunnel during Ep. 5 while training with Yoda.

Or, maybe an old hologram / recording is discovered and activated when Rey, Finn, Poe, and company are exploring the remains of the Death Star (?)
Either way, I highly doubt he's back in any form of significance or aid to the First Order.

I like your theory on the order of Luke's speech, btw.
 
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RandySavage

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^I'm betting he'll be much more important. Over two films, Kylo Ren has been set up as the sympathetic villain with some good in him. So his fall/death won't be the climax (though his redemption will). They need a 100% evil villain to completely defeat at the climax, and that will be Emperor (it would have been Snoke, so they'll equate the two).
 
Phroobar

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I'm kind of hoping they revisit the underwater Death Star scenes they were going to use for TFA.

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tk924

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Movieweb.com said:
When asked about the return of Emperor Palpatine, Abrams had this to say.
"This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before writing the script. These were things that were in real, not debate, but looking at the vastness of the story and trying to figure out, what is the way to conclude this? But it has to work on its own as a movie, it has to be its own thing, it has to be surprising and funny and you have to understand it."
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So... JJ had no idea what to do, so he consulted the creator himself. Not saying this changes anything, but it may just give this movie what it needs to wrap it all up. Still hoping that 9 leaves most of 8 out. I really, really do.
 

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