Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

Mike S

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The phrase "losing money" is what I'm taking issue with. It sounds like it's not profitable. The merch is profitable, but, not by as much compared to the past two years.
Talking about consumer products as a whole I think you’re right. It’s still profitable, just less of it. For the blame of that lesser profit to be put squarely on Star Wars and Marvel Comics though? I think it says a lot, then again I’m no business man. Just sharing my perception.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Talking about consumer products as a whole I think you’re right. It’s still profitable, just less of it. For the blame of that lesser profit to be put squarely on Star Wars and Marvel Comics though? I think it says a lot, then again I’m no business man. Just sharing my perception.

Consumer products' profitability has been declining for years. I'm going to guess that's why they folded it into Parks to hide that slide. The profits keep decreasing each quarter whether or not there's been Star Wars movies. So, we can say that SW isn't 'saving' the merch department from declining. But the profit is still in the hundreds of millions in total of all merch.
 

Tick Tock

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Oh, so you mean that "if you strike me down I'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" applies to practitioners of the Dark Side of the Force too?

Vader sure was an idiot to bump off Palpatine, then!
Again, I haven't seen the movie, as apparently you and another overly-vocal naysayer have. But the likely assumption is yes, Palp's return would be as a Force ghost, just like Obi Wan. The second most logical guess would be it's some sort of flashback scene or vision / dream. But again, all we have right now is a laugh in the teaser. A little premature to be claiming this iconic character's return was a mistake.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well, Kevin Feige does technically work for Disney.

“The” franchise is lStar Wars in this case
Only Marvel comics. The Marvel toys still sell well. Funny, it’s almost as if Star Wars isn’t capturing this generation as well as it did past generations. Even the Prequels didn’t lead to losses.

To be fair...consumer dynamics have greatly changed. Toys aren’t what they once were to kids and everyone is spoiled and can take it or leave it...

But Disney not only isn’t creating new demand with its characters...they’re too cheap to go heavy into gaming...which is a wise move going forward.

Like I said earlier...there is a canary in the coal mine for product...
 

Mike S

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“The” franchise is lStar Wars in this case


To be fair...consumer dynamics have greatly changed. Toys aren’t what they once were to kids and everyone is spoiled and can take it or leave it...

But Disney not only isn’t creating new demand with its characters...they’re too cheap to go heavy into gaming...which is a wise move going forward.

Like I said earlier...there is a canary in the coal mine for product...
I remember one video on this subject pointing out how when you really go into the numbers Star Wars products made more in 2011, the year before Disney bought it, than in any single year since. It was like $3 billion in sales. This same guy also has numerous videos pointing out how Disney Star Wars toys just sit on shelves until they’re on clearance. Not sure if I should share it here though since his attitude is a bit, abrasive let’s say.

I also agree Disney is stupid for avoiding gaming.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I remember one video on this subject pointing out how when you really go into the numbers Star Wars products made more in 2011, the year before Disney bought it, than in any single year since. It was like $3 billion in sales. This same guy also has numerous videos pointing out how Disney Star Wars toys just sit on shelves until they’re on clearance. Not sot sure if I should share it here though since his attitude is a bit, abrasive let’s say.

I also agree Disney is stupid for avoiding gaming.


They do have product problems...and film problems....and their red herring park lands will be overrun.

...but other than that - Mrs. Lincoln is enjoying the play.

Retailers bought 50% of the product for 8 that they did for 7.

I think there’s two reasons for that...but it’s still astounding
 

Mike S

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They do have product problems...and film problems....and their red herring park lands will be overrun.

...but other than that - Mrs. Lincoln is enjoying the play.

Retailers bought 50% of the product for 8 that they did for 7.

I think there’s two reasons for that...but it’s still astounding
50%

What insane world am I living in where Star Wars can’t sell anymore. I wonder what the numbers are for Avengers.
 

Princess Leia

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Does anybody remember anything about Rogue One except for the last 45 minutes?

I think that film is a fantastic TV episode, but there were 90 minutes ahead of the stuff anybody remembers.
Mads Mikkelsen being one of my favorite SW characters, some great character moments for Jyn, Cassian, and K2SO, Ben Mendelssohn low key stealing every scene he’s in... and the weird CGI Tarkin.

Rogue One is hands down my favorite new Star Wars film, so I may remember it a little better lol
 

Paper straw fan

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Has anyone considered the lead in movie each of those offshoots had?

Rogue one followed TFA, which for me had my SW fan boy anticipation level at about a 9. I thought R1 was fine, thought Mendelssohn killed as the foe, first half was completely forgettable, last part was intense.

Solo followed TLJ, and while I’m sure plenty paid for TLJ with huge expectations, it was such a stale fart of a movie that my excitement level went down to maybe a 4. Solo was also a good popcorn flick, no classic but completely enjoyable, and yet I waited until it was out on video not because I was over saturated with SW, but more from my disillusion from LJ.

Not saying that’s the only reason Solo faltered, but it’s a potential effect from a lukewarm lead in (yes I know they’re different stories, but Star Wars fans are Star Wars fans for the most part)
 

erasure fan1

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The problem with your theory is that streaming and Movies are not in competition with each other. Quite the opposite. The powerhouses are lining them up to compliment each other. Marvel is getting four streaming shows and another 10 movies over 5 years.

Hell...Star Trek is back up and making a push...if that can - how on earth is Star Wars in partial retreat?

Botched...that’s why.
I'm not saying they didn’t botch the sequels up. And yes, they are in partial retreat, but that's my point. They want the focus squarely on TV and that's it. In their eyes, TV is what is most important and they need Disney + to hit big. So what better way to insure you get a big boost, than making the new star wars on that platform. At the same time you give yourself the time to start over while peoples anticipation for the movies grows. I'm not saying I agree, just that's their mindset.
Come on man. If it’s actually good most people will say it’s good. I know I will. My current feeling is that I just find it hilarious how far back on TLJ they seem to be going.
I still think the last jedi ruined my childhood crowd will dump on it even if its good. I agree that the average fan who just thought that last jedi was meh, will say it’s good if it indeed is. As far as them going back on TLJ, I fully expected that rise of Skywalker would be more of a sequel to awakens than last jedi, as it should be.
 

LSLS

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I still think the last jedi ruined my childhood crowd will dump on it even if its good. I agree that the average fan who just thought that last jedi was meh, will say it’s good if it indeed is. As far as them going back on TLJ, I fully expected that rise of Skywalker would be more of a sequel to awakens than last jedi, as it should be.

I agree with you on that. There is a group that will hate it no matter what. I've always thought that group was small enough it wouldnt matter, but solo has me wondering if that is the case. I really hope jj finds a way to connect it all together. I dont know how, and his reference to time constraints worries me, but I'm definitely not against this movie or thinking it's awful yet. Trailer was good, but so was the trailer for jedi.
 
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Mike S

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By going so far back on TLJ they’ve ruined the flow of the story imo. Then again this was already done in TLJ when they refused to give satisfying answers to questions that TFA attempted to set up. JJ confirmed in a recent interview he had an outline for all 3 movies that RJ ignored. He really needed to do them all himself.
 

Tony Perkis

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By going so far back on TLJ they’ve ruined the flow of the story imo. Then again this was already done in TLJ when they refused to give satisfying answers to questions that TFA attempted to set up. JJ confirmed in a recent interview he had an outline for all 3 movies that RJ ignored. He really needed to do them all himself.
Strongly disagree. One of JJ Abrams biggest criticisms, which he’s yet to disproven, is his inability to complete a story satisfyingly. He’s generally known for introducing new ideas and stories, but seldom fulfilling them.

He’s got one of the greatest examples in Lost, and he did this again with Star Trek by making Into Darkness a retread of Wrath of Khan.

We probably were at a bigger risk of TLJ being too similar to TESB than it being a unique and natural continuation of themes introduced in TFA.
 

Mike S

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Strongly disagree. One of JJ Abrams biggest criticisms, which he’s yet to disproven, is his inability to complete a story satisfyingly. He’s generally known for introducing new ideas and stories, but seldom fulfilling them.

He’s got one of the greatest examples in Lost, and he did this again with Star Trek by making Into Darkness a retread of Wrath of Khan.

We probably were at a bigger risk of TLJ being too similar to TESB than it being a unique and natural continuation of themes introduced in TFA.
That too. I’ve read about that. I’m not going to pretend I’m all knowing on this subject but there are certainly ways they could’ve done this trilogy that satisfied the fans that were mostly excited to see the old heroes return and at the same time take the universe in a new direction. I think you can agree with this. This whole thing was mismanaged. The fact that they’re returning to Palpatine is pretty much an admission that they messed up imo. If there was a great and interesting brand new villain they wouldn’t have felt the need to go back to the well. Not to mention this brings up an issue where the Rebels never really won, Luke’s grand triumph over the Dark Side pretty much didn’t happen and will now be accomplished by Rey (ugh), and Anakin’s ultimate sacrifice and return to the light is taken down a notch depending on how they’re actually doing this. They really needed a Kevin Feige type figure heading this trilogy.
 

erasure fan1

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By going so far back on TLJ they’ve ruined the flow of the story imo. Then again this was already done in TLJ when they refused to give satisfying answers to questions that TFA attempted to set up. JJ confirmed in a recent interview he had an outline for all 3 movies that RJ ignored. He really needed to do them all himself.
That is where my problem lies with Kennedy. I don't blame Rian for the movie he made, I blame Kennedy for letting him make it. Unfortunately no matter how good rise of Skywalker is, there will always be that nagging feeling of a missed opportunity for me.
 

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