Staggs says changes to Fantasyland...

[Hakunamatata]

Boys will be FLOORED by the Cindy thing, especially if they add the additional pumpkin transformation to the mix (and it's like a real walkthrough), and if Belle's library happens to be filled with special effects just like in Art of Animation in Cali, boys WILL pay attention to the story if a)they can participate in it like they currently can, and b)the story wraps around them with special effects.

But boys may not sit and make birthday cards... that's why they're drawing them in with the dragon fight forest and keeping them seated with the 3 Fairies constantly bickering, having conversations with them, and changing items in the room from pink to blue...

You see, there's a science behind this whole thing...

Are you serious? Cause I didn't see one of these :lookaroun

The only way my son would be interested in any of that would be if he was able to smash the pumpkins and shoot at the faries with a laser gun.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Are you serious? Cause I didn't see one of these :lookaroun

The only way my son would be interested in any of that would be if he was able to smash the pumpkins and shoot at the faries with a laser gun.

I see what you mean. Boys aren't really that much interested in meeting princesses. Young boys for that matter .


People do seem to think that they'll appeal to the boys.

 

[Lee]

Catching up....

Nothing we didn't know already, but glad to see it's finally been announced.

Yep.
He said exactly what I've been saying for a few weeks. Staggs really didn't think he was getting the most for his money with the original FLE plans. He asked for potential alternatives and additions. He liked what he heard, and his concerns have been alleviated by the changes that are being made.

I think I like it... yes yes I do! Now let's let our imaginations run wild and see what we all think it might be!

Eh....let's not.
I bore easilly with random guessing and completely impossible ramblings.:lol:

By mentioning "aspirational rides" do you think he's suggesting the area NEEDS a more thrilling, mature attraction? Or is he saying that FLE will be a balance to the other "aspiration" rides in the park?

No. He's saying that one of the changes to the FLE plan will be to add a more...um...advanced ride to the mix. Not a huge thrill ride, though.

Or that TLM will be that "aspirational" ride that ultimately may be too intense for small children?

He's definately not saying that. TLM will be appropriate for all ages.

Actually he refutes many of the rumors. Crushes them actually. It is Garcia that tries to rehabilitate Hill and Lutz claims not Staggs.

I disagree.
He stated what myself (and later Jim, and to some degree Lutz) have been saying. He is cutting some of the original aspects of FLE in order to replace them with things that he feels will be more successful from an operational, financial and guest popularity standpoint.
I really see the whole interview as a confirmation that I've been getting some pretty solid info lately. (Many thanks to....well...ya'll know who you are.;))[/QUOTE]

I can confirm that there are new plans and I like them much more than the previous ones. The new stuff will make everyone happy.

Post failure due to lack of info provided.

I have to admit Tom Staggs is a pleasant surprise. When I heard that they were putting the former CFO in that role I thought "Oh no a money guy is in charge' Walt would hate this" But Tom Staggs seems to care and actually takes an interest in the Parks which is more than I can say about his predecessor

That's the thing.
Yes, he is a money guy, but that also makes him shrewd with how he spends his money. He is ready to cut what needs to be cut, but willing to spend more to make more. He doesn't look at it from a creative standpoint, but in this case that's okay because he is willing to listen to the creative side for imput on how to improve the offerings.

maybe you should look a tad harder
well maybe you should change some assumptions
nothing in that post was it

Again...
Post failure.

Sounds to me like Pixie Hallow is offically dead (as if we didnt know this already).

Yes. The PH of the original concept is dead and buried at the WDW landfill.

The only thing I can think of franchise wise that is popular with Tweens boys and girls is Percy Jackson, but I have no idea who owns the rights.

No. Put Percy Jackson (whoever he is...) out of your mind. That's not it.

Can we get a hint? Is it a huge e ticket or is it some d or c?

Not a huge E.

The only thrill ride that will fit is so clear. After all my wishing it's finally coming true.
THE MATTEHORN IS COMING!!!!!

*sigh*

The Magic Carpets of Aladdin are not going anywhere.

True 'dat.

I see. Well any thrill ride will be good. I'm hoping for a 2011 opening .

Keep hoping. You'll be hoping right past 2011.:lol:

Noway on mattahorn. I keep coming back to Percy Jackson.

And wasting your time on Mr. Jackson.

I may be totally wrong,, but this part of the article in bold kinda felt like a hint to me....what do you guys think?....I hope Im wrong though really.

Nope. Not a hint. He was using an example. He could have just as easily used that Pirate land concept instead.

Carsland is supposed to be a part of Pixar Place's expansion, I don't think it will come to MK.

Very good chance it will, down the road a bit. (insert rimshot)

And that Toy Story land in HK looks quite bland.

Bland is about the kindest word I can think of for that Toy Story land in HK.:lol:

it is the mattehorn!!!

*sigh* again

Villain's Mountain? They appeal to both boys and girls (they love cruella), it can be thrilling and based off franchises.

Nope. I wish. They killed that off years ago.

so, if the budget is only being slightly increased, could we get a trackless dark ride maybe whatever the theme may be, or is that too much?

WAY too much.

I wonder why Lee is being so quiet in this thead. He must know something and swore to secret.

Or....he's been out all day and just got home.
Everything I know is far too vague at this point.

Ohh I agree with you.. But Lee has been on record here saying the management is looking at MK as a kiddie park...

Well...not so much a "kiddie" park. More like that want MK to be an entirely family-friendly park. Thrill rides may be added...but not too thrilling.
Real thrill rides will be saved for other areas of the property.

Yes! Why did Nemo destroy my beloved Living Seas? But that's off topic again.

Actually, that little fish may have killed "Living Seas" but he likely saved the pavillion as a whole.

Nope.... The M&G are still happening... Just maybe not on the grand scale as first advertised...

Yes. But don't misunderstand, there will be very nice M&Gs in the FLE.

sorry I can't provide any more insight

"Can't" and "Won't" do not mean the same thing.

(Anybody want to guess my pet peeve?:lol:
Telling people you know something but can't talk about it. Penn & Teller have a good word for that...)

Wait... hmmm, could Toontown be getting a facelift???

Nah.

 

[Disneyson 1]

Are you serious? Cause I didn't see one of these :lookaroun

The only way my son would be interested in any of that would be if he was able to smash the pumpkins and shoot at the faries with a laser gun.

By that logic, your son must not be very happy at the Magic Kingdom, where the only rides he likes are Space Ranger Spin, the fast rides (if he's into thrills) and the two classics, PotC and HM (assuming that he doesn't want to shoot the pirates and smash Madame Leota's crystal ball).

Geez, have a little faith.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Lee so what will be? A small E ticket? lol. But for real what type? And geez you really hate Walt's original coaster don't you? Lol

And so are you telling us all the info Jaun said was wrong?

 

[JustInTime]

By that logic, your son must not be very happy at the Magic Kingdom, where the only rides he likes are Space Ranger Spin, the fast rides (if he's into thrills) and the two classics, PotC and HM (assuming that he doesn't want to shoot the pirates and smash Madame Leota's crystal ball).

Geez, have a little faith.

That's what I am sayin'. BTW, isn't Magic overly boy-ish anyway? I mean, really think about it...

 

[Tigger1988]

By that logic, your son must not be very happy at the Magic Kingdom, where the only rides he likes are Space Ranger Spin, the fast rides (if he's into thrills) and the two classics, PotC and HM (assuming that he doesn't want to shoot the pirates and smash Madame Leota's crystal ball).

Geez, have a little faith.

This is what I'm getting at, by most people's logic (at least in this post) then the CURRENT Fantasyland/Toon Town is totally unpleasant for boys. Yet I don't see masses of young boys revolting and complaining about the rides and meet and greets.

 

[Hakunamatata]

By that logic, your son must not be very happy at the Magic Kingdom, where the only rides he likes are Space Ranger Spin, the fast rides (if he's into thrills) and the two classics, PotC and HM (assuming that he doesn't want to shoot the pirates and smash Madame Leota's crystal ball).

Geez, have a little faith.

Buddy, I have more faith than you could ever imagine.

 

[JustInTime]

This is what I'm getting at, by most people's logic (at least in this post) then the CURRENT Fantasyland/Toon Town is totally unpleasant for boys. Yet I don't see masses of young boys revolting and complaining about the rides and meet and greets.

I disagree. I think they are overwhelmingly neutral when it comes to boy/girl things. I don't think there is a single attraction geared to specific genders in the current FL or TTF. Now, the other lands are VERY boy-ish. Thats why IMO, I want FLE to happen.

 

[jt04]

Catching up....


Yep.
He said exactly what I've been saying for a few weeks. Staggs really didn't think he was getting the most for his money with the original FLE plans. He asked for potential alternatives and additions. He liked what he heard, and his concerns have been alleviated by the changes that are being made.


Eh....let's not.
I bore easilly with random guessing and completely impossible ramblings.:lol:


No. He's saying that one of the changes to the FLE plan will be to add a more...um...advanced ride to the mix. Not a huge thrill ride, though.


He's definately not saying that. TLM will be appropriate for all ages.


I disagree.
He stated what myself (and later Jim, and to some degree Lutz) have been saying. He is cutting some of the original aspects of FLE in order to replace them with things that he feels will be more successful from an operational, financial and guest popularity standpoint.
I really see the whole interview as a confirmation that I've been getting some pretty solid info lately. (Many thanks to....well...ya'll know who you are.;))

[/QUOTE]

Gotta give you credit because you have been accurate. But ultimately both bloggerss made it sound like far more than "changes on the margins". Now if you could just visit the Epcot thread I bumped and give us your opinion of the SSE news.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

This is what I'm getting at, by most people's logic (at least in this post) then the CURRENT Fantasyland/Toon Town is totally unpleasant for boys. Yet I don't see masses of young boys revolting and complaining about the rides and meet and greets.[/

Because the parents made it up to them by taking them to HS.

 

[Tigger1988]

I disagree. I think they are overwhelmingly neutral when it comes to boy/girl things. I don't think there is a single attraction geared to specific genders in the current FL or TTF. Now, the other lands are VERY boy-ish. Thats why IMO, I want FLE to happen.

So, the Princess and Pixie Hallow meet and greets currently in Toon Town aren't aimed at girls? That's what the majority of people in this post seem to believe.

 

[Disneyson 1]

Buddy, I have more faith than you could ever imagine.

So... you're basically saying that you son has a low tolerance for WDW in general? That he only enjoys one or two rides? If so, it isn't worth the effort to take him, as not very much will attract him to any of the parks at all. Except for the stuff that goes boom, Space Ranger Spin and Toy Story Mania. Go for Universal instead, it has more boom for your buck. Though it's lacking in the charm department. But I doubt your son will much care.

 

[misterID]

Well, no one's said no about a Snow White coaster yet

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

That's what I am sayin'. BTW, isn't Magic overly boy-ish anyway? I mean, really think about it...

Well Disneyland must be a man's park since it had everything MK has plus mattehorn and Indiana Jones, along with Star Tours.

So by that logic DL is all for boys then right?


A ride will appeal to both genders beacause it's a ride. Kids love rides.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Well, no one's said no about a Snow White coaster yet

I did! Before you posted about you thinking it is a Snow White Coaster, on the page before that I said it might be that.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

So... you're basically saying that you son has a low tolerance for WDW in general? That he only enjoys one or two rides? If so, it isn't worth the effort to take him, as not very much will attract him to any of the parks at all. Except for the stuff that goes boom, Space Ranger Spin and Toy Story Mania. Go for Universal instead, it has more boom for your buck. Though it's lacking in the charm department. But I doubt your son will much care.

No need to bash the poster because he feels different than you about the FLE.

 

[Lee]

A bit more while I'm still up...

I think a Snow White coaster is coming...

I would be VERY surprised. Not unhappy, though...
Problem is, the SW coaster was conceptualized to sit right in the middle of what will now be M&G land. Makes no sense to build it away from the SW dark ride.

A lot of people here didn't see how and why boys would be interested in seeing Cinderella's outfit change from rags to her dress, boys wouldn't be interested in coloring birthday cards for Aurora, nor would they sit and listen to Belle read them a story...
...when you look at everything planned, the plans revolved around a market that little girls made popular (and made Disney millions upon billions of dollars)...

All true.

Me too. I think the Barnstormer is getting the Dwarf Mine overlay with the Pixie Hollow money.

Nah.

My final post for tonight.. I'm on record as saying Neverland will be coming to MK and part of this expansion with a brand new Peter Pan's Flight...
Odds: 2 to 1

WAY off on those odds, sir....

Lines for the Princesses and PH were 45 min or more, there were plenty of boys on line and none of them were throwing fits or looked unhappy. :shrug:

Of course...they were at Disney World.

Boys will be FLOORED by the Cindy thing,

I'm thinking...not so much...

But boys may not sit and make birthday cards...

I'm hoping nobody has to sit through that...

P.S. The beauty behind this is that there will probably not be lines. They'll likely use fastpasses, and the attractions can accommodate many guests at a time. Those turned off by waits won't have to wait, methinks.

You're mistaken. The M&Gs, if built as in the original plan, will have tremendous lines due to tiny capacity. They would be a victim of their own popularity with the stroller set. (Hence all the handwringing from the operations folks...)

The only way my son would be interested in any of that would be if he was able to smash the pumpkins and shoot at the faries with a laser gun.

Now THAT would be M&G even I would go see...:lol:

By that logic, your son must not be very happy at the Magic Kingdom, where the only rides he likes are Space Ranger Spin, the fast rides (if he's into thrills) and the two classics, PotC and HM .

Hey, that's all I like at the MK, and I'm usually quite happy there.
(Well....replace Space Ranger Snooze with the World Famous Jungle Cruise...)
But then again...I haven't been a little boy for a couple decades now...

 

[misterID]

Daggumit.

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

Lee why don't you like the mattehorn lol?!!?!