Staggs says changes to Fantasyland...

[ToTBellHop]

No there will be spin, more spin, some spin on the spin, which will all be accompanied by a dessert of spin.

And then you'll have the denouncers all complaining about how the FLE needs an E-ticket ride. Which will then devolve into a discussion on how TDO effed up yet again. :brick:

oh, yes, there will still be discussions, but at least they won't be discussions of what is GOING to be built. It's much easier for me to ignore threads about how much TDO sucks. These threads, however, every once in awhile are sprinkled with actual information from an actual insider, so we are forced to sift through mountains of jt for that information if we are curious about what is actually being built. We can ignore all the fluff otherwise.

 

[orky8]

Right now the only solid guess I have so far is Storytime with Belle is being replaced with a BatB dark ride. But I'm not even so sure about that. :shrug:

Interesting, as I believe that goes against the information provided by Juan, but who knows...

My sense from the hints were that the FLE M&Gs were not being transformed to rides (though some may be disappearing) but other existing fantasyland franchises were being expanded into the new FLE.

 

[lebeau]

No there will be spin, more spin, some spin on the spin, which will all be accompanied by a dessert of spin.

And then you'll have the denouncers all complaining about how the FLE needs an E-ticket ride. Which will then devolve into a discussion on how TDO effed up yet again. :brick:

It's like you have a time machine.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Right now the only solid guess I have so far is Storytime with Belle is being replaced with a BatB dark ride. But I'm not even so sure about that. :shrug:

that would be cool. As long as the ride is not ALSO called "Storytime with Belle." I miss the days when Disney used to build rides with cool names.

We've gone from "Countdown to Extinction" to "Ariel's Undersea Adventure"...sigh.

 

[Evil Genius]

And it's mind boggling to me how anyone could NOT like these!

They are the CUTEST! They are the whimsical, warm, charming, funny, shiny, happy characters, stories, and music I can identify with and get into! They make me feel 8 years old again, which is the vibe I am going for, and what the Magic is all about, for me!

The highly acclaimed Tower and Mansion have dark, gloomy, and Gothic atmospheres that I can't get into. I appreciate them on a TECHNICAL level, but they don't fill me with that Warm and Fuzzy feeling inside like my favorites do! They don't make me LONG to be in their world when I am not in it, if that makes any sense!

I'm all puppies and sunshine, butterflies and rainbows! PARTICULARLY when I can spend time at WDW and let that side of me free!

The ones I listed have been my favorites since I was little , and still are to this day!

I hope this explanation explains it better!

Never said I didn't like them. Fact is I love them all!

But if we're talking atmosphere, story...etc then I don't see how you can rank an attraction like the Tiki Room or the Tea Cups over Pirates or the Haunted Mansion! I mean the latter two are amazingly detailed attractions with immaculate attention to detail in their theming. They both tell fantastic stories and the songs of these two attractions alone are so catchy that they have a life of their own outside of their respective rides!

I can understand not enjoying ToT. If you're not into that "type" of story telling then of course it wouldn't be your cup of tea. However you cannot deny the fact that it may be the most well themed and detailed attraction ever constructed!

 

[jt04]

Jt , Juan and Lee have put their credibility on the line with saying changes...that aren't "minor" as you have convinced yourself is coming. It could easily be the same, or it could easily be vastly different. You seem to be misguided by the article. You say he says things are barely changing, yet he hints to another attraction being added, which you boldly deny for some reason. I have followed these boards for year and juan and lee have always been quite accurate. What do you have on your track record besides assuming everything you predict is correct. They seem to have much more solid proof than you.:shrug: Just my two cents here.

I suggested something along the lines of a new stage show. I think he clearly was not hinting at a new dark ride or roller coaster. As I said, I'd love to be wrong but I doubt it.

Word to the wise: don't base anything on anything jt ever says. At best, he keeps things interesting around here. At worst, he's extremely annoying.

He never has any inside info and his opinions reflect his ingnorance on many, many subjects. Yet he will insist to the bitter end that they are fact. He loses most every argument, yet claims victory.

As a rule, I try my best to ignore the guy. But more often than not I get dragged in despite my better judgement.

On a more serious note, I doubt either of you are actually hated.

Um, when every insider including leemac was saying last year that nothing major was coming to the MK for at least 5 years I strongly disagreed. I was right. Just one example. And I think a DTD announcement is pending. We will see.

I still don't understand the obsession with Matterhorn and never will. First, by current standards that ride is cheesy as hell. Second, we already have a modern version of it called Expedition Everest. So please, never mention the Matterhorn again.

I had thought Peter Pan/Neverland could be a possibility given that it's mildly more boy-centric than the other usual suspect franchises. But the lead character is pretty much androgynous and is often played by females. Weird. Also, the only other heavily boy-centric aspects to it are Pirates (which are already firmly established in Adventureland) and Indians, which I'm going to assume are a non-starter due to PC concerns.

The obvious solution, to me, would be some sort of Prince Phillip escape/defeats Maleficent mashup ride but that would probably only truly work as a major, headliner attraction and is probably a bit too old to really grip the modern market.

We'll probably end up with some Pooh stupidity which only really appeals to pre-verbal toddlers.

Just

Jt,do you have some personal vendetta against Lee? Every thing he says,you say he's wrong. Not even in a respectable way. You claim to know,yet bring no information to the table,other than saying everyone else is wrong. Please,give us something like Lee or juan. I don't even know why you are still here.

Nothing at all and I think Lee knows that or he would ignore me. Besides, I think we are now on the same page when it comes to the future of S.E.A. Another example of what I will be proven to be right about.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Interesting, as I believe that goes against the information provided by Juan, but who knows...

My sense from the hints were that the FLE M&Gs were not being transformed to rides (though some may be disappearing) but other existing fantasyland franchises were being expanded into the new FLE.

I think Pooh makes the most sense. His ride is currently pretty close to where Pixie Hollow was going to go...as is the Mad Tea Party. Both of which have/will be explored in movie theatres in the 21st century.

 

[David S.]

How can you even believe that the Mad Tea Party is a better put together attraction than HM(not meant in a rude tone, these posts can sound ruder than theyre meant to be) :wave:

Ah, but I NEVER SAID it was a "better put together" attraction than the HM. It just CHARMS me more! Every time I see that cute little Doormouse peaking out of the Teapot, it makes me feel Warm and Fuzzy inside! Which is more than I can say for any scene in the Mansion. I 'm not into coffins and tombstones at all, let alone as much as I enjoy seeing a cute little mousie popping out of a Teapot!

Plus, I LOVE the Mad Tea Party MUSIC! Those wonderful, charming, arrangements of "March Of the Cards", "I'm Late", "The Caucus Race", etc. Music is a HUGE part of the park experience to me, and I enjoy just hanging around listening to certain music loops! So, I much prefer the catchy, happy, music of the Tea Party over that gloomy, minor-key dirge heard in the Mansion!

Perhaps it would be helpful to explain that I do not care for Halloween (except for cute smiling pumpkin decorations), horror, the occult, or anything related to death or the macabre? I do ride the Mansion, and I appreciate that is it lighter in tone than the creepy gorefest it could have been, but again, it simply does not CHARM me or make me feel as HAPPY inside as the Fantasyland attractions do.

And THAT is the main component my rankings are based on. Technological wizardry alone won't do it for me if I am not into the story or the atmosphere or the characters!

 

[EmperorMilenko]

Ah, but I NEVER SAID it was a "better put together" attraction than the HM. It just CHARMS me more! Every time I see that cute little Doormouse peaking out of the Teapot, it makes me feel Warm and Fuzzy inside! Which is more than I can say for any scene in the Mansion. I 'm not into coffins and tombstones at all, let alone as much as I enjoy seeing a cute little mousie popping out of a Teapot!

Plus, I LOVE the Mad Tea Party MUSIC! Those wonderful, charming, arrangements of "March Of the Cards", "I'm Late", "The Caucus Race", etc. Music is a HUGE part of the park experience to me, and I enjoy just hanging around listening to certain music loops! So, I much prefer the catchy, happy, music of the Tea Party over that gloomy, minor-key dirge heard in the Mansion!

Perhaps it would be helpful to explain that I do not care for Halloween (except for cute smiling pumkin decorations), horror, the occult, or anything related to death or the macabre? I do ride the Mansion, and I appreciate that is it lighter in tone than the creepy gorefest it could have been, but again, it simply does not CHARM me or make me feel as HAPPY inside as the Fantasyland attractions do.

And THAT is the main component my rankings are based on. Technological wizardry alone won't do it for me if I am not into the story or the atmosphere or the characters!

My misunderstanding was how exactly you ranked them. My b:wave: And as I too love all the FL rides, I just dont see much of a story behind MTP. And the originality of all the other attractions surpasses those based on movies that I've seen, but just my opinion

 

[David S.]

Never said I didn't like them. Fact is I love them all!

But if we're talking atmosphere, story...etc then I don't see how you can rank an attraction like the Tiki Room or the Tea Cups over Pirates or the Haunted Mansion! I mean the latter two are amazingly detailed attractions with immaculate attention to detail in their theming. They both tell fantastic stories and the songs of these two attractions alone are so catchy that they have a life of their own outside of their respective rides!

Because I enjoy the cuter atmospheres more. You have to understand that I am not claiming that my favorites should be everyone's favorites, or that they are better from a technological or detailed point of view. My favorites are my favorites because of the way I respond EMOTIONALLY to them! I suppose that's a stereotypically "feminine" way of looking at things, but I FEEL things more than looking at them from a more factual or knowledge point of view, if that makes any sense.

And for the record, I enjoy Pirates MUCH more than Mansion, as it is not as macabre, and has cute animal AA's including a doggie and donkey barking and braying along to the song! Which always makes me smile and is, of course, my favorite moment of the ride. Too bad it's somewhat canceled out by the unlikable scoundrels burning those innocent citizens' town down!

And by the way, regardless of the UNM vs original show argument, I think the Tiki Room still has AMAZING atmosphere and theming! And of course lots of cute singing birdies!

I can understand not enjoying ToT. If you're not into that "type" of story telling then of course it wouldn't be your cup of tea. However you cannot deny the fact that it may be the most well themed and detailed attraction ever constructed!

But I do enjoy Tower - for the sweet, sweet airtime! But I honestly never got why people put it on the Pirates/Mansion level of theming. It's got nice props, placemaking, and effects, but no AAs!

My personal feelings aside, I would make a case for Splash Mountain! It has everything - lots of AAs, (cute animal ones, too!), the songs, great theming, a great story, amazingly long runtime, thrills, and a happy ending!

Splash just SCREAMS "Disney " to me, and I emphasise the smiley, because of the happy way it makes me feel inside. The FL attractions do this for me as well, but with a shorter runtime!

I didn't mean to get into a long debate about why my favorites are my favorites! I was only listing them to show how much I treasure Fantasyland, and also how the Disneyland attractions missing from our FL are the number one things on my entire WDW wishlist! I wasn't trying to "diss" anyone else's taste!

 

[huntzilla]

Hey Juan, I know you can't say much but I figured I'd fire it out there and give it a shot. Can you tell us whether or not this is a cloned or attraction or original?

 

[jt04]

Hey Juan, I know you can't say much but I figured I'd fire it out there and give it a shot. Can you tell us whether or not this is a cloned or attraction or original?

I'll save you the trouble of waiting. Yes there will be a clone.

 

[lebeau]

Hey Juan, I know you can't say much but I figured I'd fire it out there and give it a shot. Can you tell us whether or not this is a cloned or attraction or original?

Good question!

 

[IWant2GoNow]

Interesting, as I believe that goes against the information provided by Juan, but who knows...

My sense from the hints were that the FLE M&Gs were not being transformed to rides (though some may be disappearing) but other existing fantasyland franchises were being expanded into the new FLE.

I don't think it goes against his hints at all. There has to be something new in FLE West for juan to be excited about. And unless they are somehow finding MORE room to expand on then something must be replaced. Since we are fairly certain BoGR and VotLM aren't going anywhere, this leaves us with Storytime with Belle, the Gaston village area, and Cindy's Chateau available for change.

Personally, I would like to see the Chateau change into something other than Cinderella since she has a castle and the M&G dining experience. But I'm just going off of me generally not getting what I want. :lol:

If they are trying to "broaden the appeal" in terms of gender, then they really shouldn't cut Gaston's section unless they were to replace it with something as "boy-ish".

Which is what lead my brain to Storytime with Belle getting the ax. Not to mention looking at the leaked blueprints there is quite a bit of land there just for a storybook M&G.

Maybe the "storytime" theme will be Aurora's new thing that way the boys can act out the heroic efforts of Prince Philip.

 

[jt04]

Good question!

Yes and a good answer.

 

[Evil Genius]

Because I enjoy the cuter atmospheres more. You have to understand that I am not claiming that my favorites should be everyone's favorites, or that they are better from a technological or detailed point of view. My favorites are my favorites because of the way I respond EMOTIONALLY to them! I suppose that's a steroetypically "feminine" way of looking at things, but I FEEL things more than looking at them from a more factual or knowledge point of view, if that makes any sense.

And for the record, I enjoy Pirates MUCH more than Mansion, as it is not as macabre, and has cute animal AA's including a doggie and donkey barking and braying along to the song! Which is, of course, my favorite moment of the ride. Too bad it's somewhat canceled out by the unlikable scoundrels burning those innocent citizens' town down!

And by the way, regardless of the UNM vs original show argument, I think the Tiki Room still has AMAZING atmosphere and theming! And of course lots of cute singing birdies!



But I do enjoy Tower - for the sweet, sweet airtime! But I honestly never got why people put it on the Pirates/Mansion level of theming. It's got nice props, placemaking, and effects, but no AAs!

My personal feelings aside, I would make a case for Splash Mountain! It has everything - lots of AAs, (cute animal ones, too!), the songs, great theming, a great story, amazingly long runtime, thrills, and a happy ending!

Splash just SCREAMS "Disney " to me, and I emphasise the smiley, because of the happy way it makes me feel inside. The FL attractions do this for me as well, but with a shorter runtime!

I understand completely where you're coming from with all your thoughts and opinions. And I wouldn't say it makes the way you enjoy these attractions more "feminine" at all. Our visceral reactions to specific rides is what makes them special to us despite the level of theming or technological advancement.

However on the topic of ToT. I beg you to re-examine your perception of this ride as the attention to detail within the hotel itself is beyond reproach. Only equaled by Expedition Everest. You get a feel for the story the moment you walk onto the grounds of the Hollywood Tower Hotel...that very on edge erie feeling the abandoned lobby gives you. I mean just soak in that lobby! You could spend hours examining all the subtle nuances imagineering as placed there! I mean if you just took the first scenes you walk through of ToT and placed them out as an attraction in and of itself...it would be amazing to walk through!

Ok that's enough gushing...back to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[jt04]

I don't think it goes against his hints at all. There has to be something new in FLE West for juan to be excited about. And unless they are somehow finding MORE room to expand on then something must be replaced. Since we are fairly certain BoGR and VotLM aren't going anywhere, this leaves us with Storytime with Belle, the Gaston village area, and Cindy's Chateau available for change.

Personally, I would like to see the Chateau change into something other than Cinderella since she has a castle and the M&G dining experience. But I'm just going off of me generally not getting what I want. :lol:

If they are trying to "broaden the appeal" in terms of gender, then they really shouldn't cut Gaston's section unless they were to replace it with something as "boy-ish".

Which is what lead my brain to Storytime with Belle getting the ax. Not to mention looking at the leaked blueprints there is quite a bit of land there just for a storybook M&G.

Maybe the "storytime" theme will be Aurora's new thing that way the boys can act out the heroic efforts of Prince Philip.

Nothing major is changing with BatB or Mermaid.

Hi lurkers :wave:

Heh.

 

[IWant2GoNow]

I'll save you the trouble of waiting. Yes there will be a clone.

Hey! You're right! Because VotLM is a clone!

Just messin'.

 

[lebeau]

Yes and a good answer.

As good as any 50/50 guess.

Unless the clone you're referring to is the Little Mermaid.

Anyway, I'm not looking to you for insider info since by your own admission you have none. And I'm not really interested in your speculation since it is usually more based on your wants and desires than fact. :wave:

 

[juan]

Hey Juan, I know you can't say much but I figured I'd fire it out there and give it a shot. Can you tell us whether or not this is a cloned or attraction or original?

Whatever is built will be original when it opens.

I'll save you the trouble of waiting. Yes there will be a clone.

Swing and a miss. :hammer::brick:
Why don't you go back to the Imagineering board like you promised? You obviously aren't contributing anything productive.:wave: